Advanced Class Guide

Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Just a few weeks ago, we announced the Pathfinder RPG Advanced Class Guide, an exciting new addition to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game due out next summer. While we talked about it a fair bit at Gencon, this blog post is here to get you caught up on all the news!

This 256-page rulebook will contain 10 new classes, each a mix of two existing classes, taking a bit from each class and adding new mechanics to give you a unique character. Around the office we're calling them "hybrid classes." You can think of the magus (from Ultimate Magic) as our first test of this concept. It takes some rules from the fighter, some rules from the wizard, and then adds its own unique mechanics.

At this point, you're probably wondering what new classes you can expect to see in the Advanced Class Guide. So far, we've announced five of the ten classes.

Bloodrager: This blend of sorcerer and barbarian can call upon the power of his blood whenever he goes into a rage. He also has a limited selection of spells he can call upon, even when in a mindless fury!

Hunter: Taking powers from both the druid and the ranger, the hunter is never without her trusted animal companion, hunting down foes with lethal accuracy.

Shaman: Calling upon the spirits to aid her, the shaman draws upon class features of the oracle and the witch. Each day, she can commune with different spirits to aid her and her allies.

Slayer: Look at all the blood! The slayer blends the rogue and the ranger to create a character that is all about taking down particular targets.

Warpriest: Most religions have martial traditions, and warpriests are often the backbones of such orders. This mix of cleric and fighter can call upon the blessings of the gods to defeat enemies of their faiths.

Of course, those are just half the classes in this book. There are four more we have yet to reveal.

"Four?" you say. "But I thought there were ten!" And you would be right—because I'm about to let you in on another of the classes that will appear in this book, which we haven't announced until this moment!

Swashbuckler: Break out your rapier and your wit! The swashbuckler uses panache and daring to get the job done, blending the powers of the fighter and the gunslinger! For those of you who don't use guns in your campaign, fear not—the base class is not proficient in firearms (although there will certainly be an archetype in the book that fix that).

But that's not all! This book will also contain archetypes for all 10 new classes, as well as a selection to help existing classes play with some of the new features in this book. There will also be feats and spells to support these new classes, as well as magic items that will undoubtedly become favorites for nearly any character. Last but not least, the final chapter in this book will give you a peek inside the design process for classes and archetypes, giving you plenty of tips and guides to build your own! Since class design is more art than science, this won't be a system (like in the Advanced Race Guide), but rather a chapter giving you advice on how the process works.

So, there you go. That's six of the 10 classes that will appear in the Advanced Class Guide and an overview of what else you can expect from this exciting new book. While it's due to release next August, you won't have to wait too long to get your hands on these classes, because we're planning to do a public playtest here this fall! Check back here for more news as the playtest draws close!

Jason Bulmahn
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How long have you waited to use that pun, and was it worth it?


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Kryzbyn wrote:
How long have you waited to use that pun,
Actually, I just thought of it while reading his reply. It could have been worse... I haven't even had that much caffeine and sugar today. :)
Kryzbyn wrote:
and was it worth it?

Horrible puns are their own reward, even if they nudge me ever closer to CE.


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Horrible puns are their own reward, even if they nudge me ever closer to CE.

If horrible puns are Evil, I don't want to be Good.


Adjule wrote:

They said the playtest will start this fall. Which is up until December 21st, although many people equate December with winter.

Uh....no

It is actually already winter, has been since the 1st of November.

Winter (Nov, Dec, Jan)
Spring (Feb, March, Apr)
Summer (May, June, July)
Fall (Aug, Sept, Oct)

That is why Dec 21st is called MID-winter ;)


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I think there's a lesson to be learned here about RAW vs RAI...


Rysky wrote:
Paladinosaur wrote:
I got a feeling that today is the day!

*rips off Saurian mask*

Odraude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahah the dream is dead!!

So apparently I have dinosaur paladins working for me...

Silver Crusade

Odraude wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Paladinosaur wrote:
I got a feeling that today is the day!

*rips off Saurian mask*

Odraude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahah the dream is dead!!

So apparently I have dinosaur paladins working for me...

Ze most evil of the paladins.


It would be nice to hear where Paizo is at with this, that way I can stop nervously checking the site every few hours.


I know they work tirelessly, but technically it's 25 minutes past EOB in Seattle.


Well, they haven't even announced the other three classes yet...


Wait, what is Class #7 then? I know #6 is Swashbuckler...


I think it was called the Arcanist. I do not know where people got the info from but they have been mentioning it for a while.


The Arcanist was mentioned by Jason at DragonCon.

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What are you guys talking about? It's Spring!

Southern Hemisphere Represent!

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DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

What are you guys talking about? It's Spring!

Southern Hemisphere Represent!

Great! Now we have to wait 6 more months!

;-)


Crap. Still waiting.

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Ohhh man, that's what I get for worshiping the Dinogoddess of Hope =(. Its like that time we kinda of just hoped the meteor would change its path =(

Silver Crusade

Paladinosaur wrote:
Ohhh man, that's what I get for worshiping the Dinogoddess of Hope =(. Its like that time we kinda of just hoped the meteor would change its path =(

O.O

The dinosaurs were wiped out by an Akata Kaiju!


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nighttree wrote:
Adjule wrote:

They said the playtest will start this fall. Which is up until December 21st, although many people equate December with winter.

Uh....no

It is actually already winter, has been since the 1st of November.

Winter (Nov, Dec, Jan)
Spring (Feb, March, Apr)
Summer (May, June, July)
Fall (Aug, Sept, Oct)

That is why Dec 21st is called MID-winter ;)

I can honestly say I don't know a single person who uses that system (or who has called Dec 21 midwinter) for the seasons.


Mechalibur wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Adjule wrote:

They said the playtest will start this fall. Which is up until December 21st, although many people equate December with winter.

Uh....no

It is actually already winter, has been since the 1st of November.

Winter (Nov, Dec, Jan)
Spring (Feb, March, Apr)
Summer (May, June, July)
Fall (Aug, Sept, Oct)

That is why Dec 21st is called MID-winter ;)

I can honestly say I don't know a single person who uses that system (or who has called Dec 21 midwinter) for the seasons.

Midwinter's Day was at one point a common term for the winter solstice, and is technically more accurate, seeing as it is the longest night of the year, and all. I'm not sure why the calendar was changed to have those nights mark the beginning of the season rather than it's end, but there you have it.


Rysky wrote:
Paladinosaur wrote:
Ohhh man, that's what I get for worshiping the Dinogoddess of Hope =(. Its like that time we kinda of just hoped the meteor would change its path =(

O.O

The dinosaurs were wiped out by an Akata Kaiju!

*whistles innocently*


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Bring back the Marshal! Bard/Cavalier where are you?


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Sevus wrote:
Mechalibur wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Adjule wrote:

They said the playtest will start this fall. Which is up until December 21st, although many people equate December with winter.

Uh....no

It is actually already winter, has been since the 1st of November.

Winter (Nov, Dec, Jan)
Spring (Feb, March, Apr)
Summer (May, June, July)
Fall (Aug, Sept, Oct)

That is why Dec 21st is called MID-winter ;)

I can honestly say I don't know a single person who uses that system (or who has called Dec 21 midwinter) for the seasons.
Midwinter's Day was at one point a common term for the winter solstice, and is technically more accurate, seeing as it is the longest night of the year, and all. I'm not sure why the calendar was changed to have those nights mark the beginning of the season rather than it's end, but there you have it.

Sesonal lag and the fact that for most of human history, major cities were coastal almost exclusively. The meterological seasons, generally lag behind the astronomical seasons due to the presense of large bodies of water. For instance, the 'coldest' 3 months in the northern hemisphere are december, january and february, with late december being the real start of the 'meterological winter'. This is especially true in the northeastern united states.

This is because the ocean (in particularly the atlantic) holds on to its heat and drastically affects the climate in locations like Boston, New York and Washington. In people's minds in these areas in particular, winter is when it start to snow. Spring is when the snows melt. This happens 15-20 days AFTER the period when we have the shift in solar energy from the sun because the ocean takes a long time to change temperature.

So the time when we get the most wintery weather lines up best in those coastal cities with the middle of the astronomical seasons. For most of its history, the most influencial cities in the US have been Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC, and New York. So the US calendar at least goes by that reckoning.


Sevus wrote:
Mechalibur wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Adjule wrote:

They said the playtest will start this fall. Which is up until December 21st, although many people equate December with winter.

Uh....no

It is actually already winter, has been since the 1st of November.

Winter (Nov, Dec, Jan)
Spring (Feb, March, Apr)
Summer (May, June, July)
Fall (Aug, Sept, Oct)

That is why Dec 21st is called MID-winter ;)

I can honestly say I don't know a single person who uses that system (or who has called Dec 21 midwinter) for the seasons.
Midwinter's Day was at one point a common term for the winter solstice, and is technically more accurate, seeing as it is the longest night of the year, and all. I'm not sure why the calendar was changed to have those nights mark the beginning of the season rather than it's end, but there you have it.

They changed it because winter doesn't start in November. Winter is the time of year in which it is too cold to plant. Spring is the time of planting, but unless you're in a warmer clime, February is most definitely not a time of planting, and March pretty much is death for crops as well.

You also have to consider how long it takes for a region to cool down. When the winter solstice comes about, air and water masses are still somewhat warm and thus winter isn't coming into its own. It's only once the solstice passes that the inertia of arctic cold air masses truly forces winter weather upon us. (And naturally, regions without large bodies of water cool down faster and have winter strike sooner, but also have a longer period of snow and cold weather due to said arctic air masses.)

Dark Archive

Davick wrote:
Bring back the Marshal! Bard/Cavalier where are you?

there is actually a prestige class for that. battle Herald.


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Splitting hairs over when the statement of the playtest starting in the fall becomes inaccurate...

It's sillyness like this that makes me smile! ;-)

Oh, and for the third (and traditionally final) time:

Is it much father, Papa Smurf?

Liberty's Edge

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Mechalibur wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Adjule wrote:

They said the playtest will start this fall. Which is up until December 21st, although many people equate December with winter.

Uh....no

It is actually already winter, has been since the 1st of November.

Winter (Nov, Dec, Jan)
Spring (Feb, March, Apr)
Summer (May, June, July)
Fall (Aug, Sept, Oct)

That is why Dec 21st is called MID-winter ;)

I can honestly say I don't know a single person who uses that system (or who has called Dec 21 midwinter) for the seasons.

I've always know the breakdown to be:

Winter (Dec, Jan, Feb)
Spring (March, Apr, May)
Summer (June, July, Aug)
Fall (Sept, Oct, Nov)


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The seasons 'officially' change on the Equinox and Solstices.

Since that's what would have been observable in the world even if you didn't have a calendar.

More importantly, we are apparently starting to crack up since we are debating the Gregorian calendar system to help pass the time now.

So let me try and get this back slightly on the rails:
For the playtest are you all planning on starting new campaigns, or rotating characters into existing ones? I think I'm going to either let my characters temporarily reroll and proceed with our current campaign, and/or let them pick up Leadership for free during the playtest.

What are you all planning to do?

Silver Crusade

ecw1701 wrote:

For the playtest are you all planning on starting new campaigns, or rotating characters into existing ones? I think I'm going to either let my characters temporarily reroll and proceed with our current campaign, and/or let them pick up Leadership for free during the playtest.

What are you all planning to do?

I'll offer my players the chance to rebuild with a playtest class. That's the easy choice for me right now: We just started this one (second session this weekend) and I've got a couple newbies at the table, so there's some flexibility already happening. I just hope this comes out soon, while that flexibility's still there and before the game settles into a fixed shape.

Also:

AAAAAAAUUUUUUURRRGHGGHTHEHGHGHAHAH

[^ Anguished wail of impatient waiting]

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Well I know I have players hoping that this is out by the time we start Carrion Crown, which since we still have a book of Runelords left, is still very possible. My backup character should my main die in Wrath will be taking Swashbuckler starting at 10th level. The first nine will be Cleric of Desna so I can get Dimensional Steps. It's going to be a female analog of Nightcrawler...


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I have a ladyfriend whose eyes lit up when I mentioned the Swashbuckler class would be perfect for her to do a character based on Nightcrawler (one of her favorite of the X-Men). She'd probably take a few levels of Shadowdancer as well. ;)


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Can't speak for the DMs I am playing under, but I think I may attempt to DM a Dragon's Demand with the new playtest classes.

As for what I want to playtest? Bloodrager, Shaman and Warpriest intrigue me the most of the ones we have been told. Hunter and Arcanist are possible choices. Swashbuckler and Slayer don't matter to me as they don't look interesting. Still curious about the other classes.

I still want a summoner hybrid that focuses on golems and constructs for their "eidolon".

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Especially after reading Amazing X-Men #1, I remember how much ich liebe meine Deutsch blau elfe.


ecw1701 wrote:

The seasons 'officially' change on the Equinox and Solstices.

Since that's what would have been observable in the world even if you didn't have a calendar.

More importantly, we are apparently starting to crack up since we are debating the Gregorian calendar system to help pass the time now.

Yes we are.

ecw1701 wrote:


So let me try and get this back slightly on the rails:
For the playtest are you all planning on starting new campaigns, or rotating characters into existing ones? I think I'm going to either let my characters temporarily reroll and proceed with our current campaign, and/or let them pick up Leadership for free during the playtest.

What are you all planning to do?

Beg my GM we play two Campaigns :)


I'll use them as NPCs in the campaign I run.

They'll be 10th to 13th level, and I can get some good combat feedback. Not so much the out of combat stuff I'm afraid.


I'll be making NPCs using the playtest classes when I run Kingmaker. I should be able to get some combat feedback, and - depending on whether my PCs kill them or befriend them - some out-of-combat feedback as well.

Of course, depending on how long I'm taking to get everything ready, it could well be out before my players finalize their characters, in which case they could try the new classes themselves.


My GM always allows us to retcon a character as new material becomes available, so long as it's thematically similar to our original concept.

I play a Ranger in his campaign, and am quite interested in the Hunter. If it's something we both like, he'd let me switch.


Winter is December, January, February, and March. Spring is April, May and June. Summer is July and August. Autumn is September, October, November. That's because I live in Canada and we get snow anywhere from late September to mid June thought the snow only stays from December to March. The other times it snows and melts in hours to few days.

I think officially winter depends where you live. Where I live there is no way I'd wait till mid December to get my winter tires put on. They go on the beginning of September a off in May.


ecw1701 wrote:

The seasons 'officially' change on the Equinox and Solstices.

Since that's what would have been observable in the world even if you didn't have a calendar.

More importantly, we are apparently starting to crack up since we are debating the Gregorian calendar system to help pass the time now.

So let me try and get this back slightly on the rails:
For the playtest are you all planning on starting new campaigns, or rotating characters into existing ones? I think I'm going to either let my characters temporarily reroll and proceed with our current campaign, and/or let them pick up Leadership for free during the playtest.

What are you all planning to do?

I'm planning to check my GM who is running RotRL right now to see if I can playtest one of these classes. That all assumes the playtest comes out next week as my next gaming session is on 23rd.


Marc Radle wrote:


I've always know the breakdown to be:
Winter (Dec, Jan, Feb)
Spring (March, Apr, May)
Summer (June, July, Aug)
Fall (Sept, Oct, Nov)

I live in Minnesota below is what the seasons feel like.

Early Winter (The week before Halloween through Thanksgiving)
Bitter Winter (Dec, Jan, Feb)
Late Winter sometimes called not so bad Winter (March, April)
Spring (May - We did get several feet of snow this past may but I'll count that as unusual, June)
Summer (July, August)
Fall (September, October)

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no doubt my people will rush headlong into all encounters in an attempt to die and thus roll new playtest characters. ah, i love character suicide by monster. it warms my otherwise cold and hardened GM heart to see those characters welcome the deaths i have planned for them with open arms.


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Can everyone please push the FAQ button for the seasons? We obviously need the Dev's to clear this confusion up.

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Golo wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:


I've always know the breakdown to be:
Winter (Dec, Jan, Feb)
Spring (March, Apr, May)
Summer (June, July, Aug)
Fall (Sept, Oct, Nov)

I live in Minnesota below is what the seasons feel like.

Early Winter (The week before Halloween through Thanksgiving)
Bitter Winter (Dec, Jan, Feb)
Late Winter sometimes called not so bad Winter (March, April)
Spring (May - We did get several feet of snow this past may but I'll count that as unusual, June)
Summer (July, August)
Fall (September, October)

Almost the same here next door in North Dakota but just move the first half of July to Spring and the last half of August to Fall.


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MeatyPulp wrote:
Can everyone please push the FAQ button for the seasons? We obviously need the Dev's to clear this confusion up.

You punk, I actually went to go do it because I thought it'd be funny.


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Gollum wrote:
Where is it? Where is my Precious?


Autumn - March, April, May.
Winter - June, July, August.
Spring - September, October, November.
Summer - December, January, February.

It's all fair game for a barbie, though.


Man, you guys just won't let this seasons/month thing go, will you?


computer says no


I've just been lightly keeping track of this thread... for a minute I thought the playtest had been released and there was a class with season-based powers... but you guys...

*takes very careful slow steps back out of the thread*

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I recall the Florida seasons:

Fall - Dec, Jan
Spring - Feb, March
Summer - Everything else.

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