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RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8

DeathQuaker wrote:
@TheLastGhost, I am putting together a submission that likely involves the Wild Child Brawler archetype. This URL swaps bonus feats for an animal companion among other things. I feel like the tradeoffs are pretty even and re-adding the core brawler abilities back on top of what wild child does might be overkill, especially since you are also giving us more feats anyway. At the same time I want to be sure the character is balanced in comparison to other submissions. What are your thoughts?

Apparently in typing my links I got overexcited about the letters "URL." The sentence after the link should read "this archetype swaps..." (Am a professional editor, really... *sigh*).

Since folks are tracking such things, concept at the moment is Human Wild Child Brawler 3/Druid 1.


What I thought with Bladesinger was indeed a Magus. There's someone else who made one, but that only adds more fun to the possibility of having two Magi work together :p

We might even know each other!

Okay, here comes the pain:

HP: 1d4 + 4 ⇒ (3) + 4 = 7
HP: 1d4 + 4 ⇒ (4) + 4 = 8
HP: 1d4 + 4 ⇒ (4) + 4 = 8

Less pain than what I thought, lol.


DeathQuaker Wild Child Brawler is perfectly acceptable as your free archetype.

Veegees Both Silver Balladeer and Blossoming Light Cleric are acceptable as your free archetype. Are you considering Warpriest at all for your concept? it might work rather well.

MonkeyGod After reviewing the Feyspeaker Druid further, the archetype actually heavily punishes the change to being a Charisma based caster. Ultimately you will gain a few spells at delayed levels, +2 skill points and a few skills, and the ability to bluff animals - nothing overwhelming. As such, I am okay with it being your free archetype.

DarkOne after some continued thought, you may use the Unchained Ninja alternate class.

Jereru Yeah, the Magus class is pretty much the epitome of the Bladesinger/Gish concept. Any thought on going with the Black Blade archetype? And nice hit die rolls!


HP: 4 + 1d4 ⇒ 4 + (2) = 6
HP: 4 + 1d4 ⇒ 4 + (3) = 7
HP: 4 + 1d4 ⇒ 4 + (3) = 7


TheLastGhost wrote:
Jereru Yeah, the Magus class is pretty much the epitome of the Bladesinger/Gish concept. Any thought on going with the Black Blade archetype? And nice hit die rolls!

Na, no Black Blade. I'm not too keen on having an intelligent weapon.

I'm torn between Kensai, Hexcrafter, Myrmidarch and maybe some others. The thing is I'm not sure which of them count as free archetype, and whether they ignore all of their drawbacks.

When an archetype loses the ability to wear armour and to ignore armour spell failure, does that:
a) Exclude it from being chosen as a free archetype?
b) Not matter at all and we can pick it and discard that drawback?
c) Allow us to pick it and ignore other drawbacks but have to keep this one?

And same question when an archetype has diminished spellcasting.

Somehow, my initial thoughts were that you could ignore Diminished Spellcasting, but had to cope with reduced proficiencies if you picked the archetype. Then I thought it's always better to ask.


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)

In-Progress Characters
Jereru - Elf? Magus
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male? Dwarf Paladin of Moradin
CrusaderWolf - Cavalier
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
DeathQuaker - Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1
DankeSean - Shaman
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
Nightfiend
grimdog73

I think I got everyone, but if I haven't, let me know. I'm doing this mainly because I'm going to wind up reading everyone's submissions anyway. (I'm curious like that.)


I've got an idea stewing in my head, but before I get too far, I want to confirm: can we take both a free archetype, and an archetype the trades out abilities like standard?

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8

HP rolling: 3d5 + 15 + 1d4 + 4 ⇒ (2, 1, 5) + 15 + (3) + 4 = 30

Silver Crusade

I'm working on Earth genasi fighter. Alternate racial traits: Treacherous Earth replaces spell-like ability and Stone in the Blood replaces Earth affinity. For Archetype I'd like to choose Drill sergeant, possibly multiclassing to Alley witch.

Background Former Zhentarim recruit trainer who refused to commit atrocities and barely managed to flee from Zhentil keep.

Appearance Dark grey skin with with white and yellow streaks.


@TheLastGhost - awesome, thanks! I’ll work on the PC details tonight and have something for you by the end of the week.


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)

In-Progress Characters
Jereru - Elf? Magus
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male? Dwarf Paladin of Moradin
CrusaderWolf - Cavalier
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
DeathQuaker - Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1
DankeSean - Shaman
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
Nightfiend
grimdog73

Have I missed anyone?


Let’s roll some hp. Do I feel lucky?
1d3 + 3 ⇒ (1) + 3 = 4
1d3 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6
1d3 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6

Relatively, yes!

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8

Here is my submission: Sophronia, NG Human Wild Child Brawler 3/Druid 1

Build notes:

- Since she's a 4th level character and thus has had adventuring experiences already, I took the liberty of presuming Sophronia trained her companion in a couple of tricks beyond the bonus ones she gets as a companion. I am happy to adjust or remove these as needed.
- I did not calculate AC as we don't have gear yet
- I know I am taking a risk with a Large animal companion as they are not always convenient to take places. I've always wanted to play a peasant hero type, a Dales-based adventure seems perfect for that, and my dad charmed me with a story from his childhood about a cow who walked 12 miles back to her original farm after she was sold, and the concept coalesced from there. I'd rather fail at applying with something I feel is flavorful and fun for me to play than succeeding with something generic.
- Full disclosure: one of the "secondary" bonus feats I took is Alertness which should technically be fine; however it is needed as a prerequisite for the Beastmaster Style feats, so if that's cheesing it a bit I can re-jigger.
- I took your comment that my archetype as "Free" is fine means I should also take a Brawler's usual bonus feats on top of keeping the animal companion. Please let me know if I need to adjust.
- For her languages I am assuming per FR 3.x rules that she gets Common and the local native tongue (in her case, Chondathan) for free.
- I did this by hand (no apps) so there may be math errors despite best efforts to proof. Corrections welcome.

About me:

- I'm an experienced player well versed in Pathfinder and D&D, and the last time I played in Forgotten Realms it was 3e so I should be able to keep the lore straight.
- I have been playing PBP here on the boards for several years and have a good track record for showing up and posting regularly. I will always communicate if I need to take a break for any reason. I'm not in a lot of games and one of my campaigns is just coming to an end so I have the capacity to commit.
- I will be civil, respectful, and forthright with feedback as needed.


GM, could I take sanctified slayer as my free archetype?


Still working on the CS, but I'll roll some Paly HD anyway. (Flanderdash, here)

Hit Points: 1d5 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8
Hit Points: 1d5 + 5 ⇒ (4) + 5 = 9
Hit Points: 1d5 + 5 ⇒ (2) + 5 = 7


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow

In-Progress Characters
Jereru - Elf? Magus
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Cavalier
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
DankeSean - Shaman
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
Nightfiend
grimdog73


Dotting.

I'm currently sick as a dog, so I should have ample time while in bed to figure out what I want to submit. I'll probably look into something FR/The Dalelands appropriate :)


@AdamWarnock - Just a note, you forgot Kael's archetype (wild shadow). :) Thanks for the listing!


Alright, character profile completed. I'm not sure everything is done right- I had to add in a lot of stuff by hand that Hero Lab was baffled by- so if anyone feels like taking a glance over and auditing, feel free.

@TheLastGhost: Leuc is a character that didn't really need an archetype- he'd have been a fine vanilla shaman- but I suppose there's no point in not taking one. Animist is pretty closely aligned with his world view, and feels on the 'average' power level, so I went with that assuming it would be OK, but feel free to nix that if you disagree.

Likewise he currently has Eldritch Heritage as one of his 'free' feats. This is probably a little borderline, since it's adding more SLA's to a character who already is based around spells and hexes. Themewise, void-touched is perfect for Leuc, and it doesn't enhance his already existing abilities, just gives him more things to juggle. So I went with it hoping it fits into the spirit of the free feats, but again, if you disagree, let me know.

And lastly, I gave his spirit animal the Sage archetype. I don't know if familiar archetypes are rules you're interested in using, so, as above, Wildspace can just become a standard flying fox if you want.


@Kael: Whoops, my bad. I had to do it twice the first time around and I remembered on the first try, but forgot it on the second. Learn from my mistakes. When tiling tabs, make sure you have the right tab selected before you hit refresh.

Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4

In-Progress Characters
Jereru - Elf? Magus
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Cavalier
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
Nightfiend
grimdog73
Solicitor


Okay, I've added some more to Mia's background and relations. I realized I never said how she got the possessed trait, so I got that added.

She's "complete," but I'm probably going to be tweaking and adding things to her background even after selections, if she gets in.


Okay, answer dump. To preface this, I slightly shifted my direction on approval of archetypes, leaning towards a "yes" in most cases. If there needs to be a tweak, we will make it. If something is super cheese, I will call it out, but the whole idea is to "buff and fluff" the character. Kind of a lesser/minor gestalt in a way.

Here we go:

Jereru It's interesting, I had a similar thought to you. I think because the lack of armor is supposed to be thematic to the class, that it feels like it must be kept. Myrmidarch and hexcrafter are both good. Kensai I think is fine with one slight adjustment: it gains the Duelist's Canny Defense, so let's follow the Duelist's proficiency in light armor compatibility. This both gives a bit of the boon of being able to apply intelligence to AC, but not completely negating armor. Ultimately, I think the lack of armor proficiency on the kensei comes more from an anime fanboy mentality to game designers, than any real historical reference. Armor was heavily used throughout "medieval asian" cultures, and even into the early 20th century. Hope that helps.

Wanderer82 yes, you can take multiple archetypes. The first is "free", any more are applied as per normal.

Mustaparta interesting back story and combo of classes. Will be curious to see how it builds out.

DeathQuaker a quick review of your build notes all sound good.

Simeon yup, sanctified slayer is acceptable.

DankeSean I am sure HeroLab looked at all this insanity and nearly crashed. Looking over your notes, it all sounds good.


hp: 3d4 + 12 + 6 ⇒ (3, 2, 2) + 12 + 6 = 25

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Alright a pitborn cavalier (Green Knight free archetype), tainted by cursed ruins of Myth Drannor, is coming together nicely!

Hitpoints: 4d5 + 20 ⇒ (5, 1, 4, 3) + 20 = 33


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4

In-Progress Characters
Jereru - Elf? Magus
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Pitborn Cavalier(Green Knight)
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
Nightfiend
grimdog73
Solicitor


CrusaderWolf wrote:

Alright a pitborn cavalier (Green Knight free archetype), tainted by cursed ruins of Myth Drannor, is coming together nicely!

[dice=Hitpoints]4d5+20

Are we supposed to roll for level 1, or is it still max?


Hmm, I am torn right now between a Dalelands peasant hero-esque paladin and a forest gnome rogue/scout type.


Wait so would blossoming light still lose the ability to use armour?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Aevar Howen: NG m pitborn (human tiefling) Cavalier4; 45hp, F +8, R +3, W +5, Ini +4; Spd20 (30 base)
Str18 Dex13 Con16 Int12 Wis10 Cha16; BAB +4, CMB +8, CMD20; ACP –6
AC23 (+9 armor, +3 shield, +1 Dex); Touch11, Flat-Footed22
Attacks: +9 battle-axe (1d8+5) -or- +5 javelin (1d6+4) -or- +9 light hammer (1d6+4)
Feats: Iron Will, Mounted Combat, Shield Focus, Endurance*, Diehard*; Power Attack* [-2atk, +6dmg]
Skills: Perception +9, Ride +8*, Sense Motive +7, Diplomacy +10, Intimidate +10, Profession [Soldier] +7, Survival +7 [+9 vs aberrations & outsiders]
Languages: Common, Elven
Traits: Reactionary; Indomitable Faith
Abilities: Challenge 2/day; Mount; Tactician; Order of the Green; Cavalier’s Charge; Expert Trainer; Beast Tongue; Woodland Stride; Favored Terrain [TBD]
Equipment: +1 battleaxe, +1 half-plate, Cloak of Resistance +1, mswk heavy darkwood shield, cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone

Aevar was, to the best any of the priests and mages who've examined him can tell, simply the unfortunate victim of the powerful magics shedding from a decaying mythal deep in the Cormanthor Forest. Despite his horns and glowing green eyes, however, he is a veteran in good standing amongst the Riders of Mistledale.

full profile being made now, C&C welcome!


something came up so I am going to withdraw my intent. Good luck to everyone on selection. Game sounds like it's going to be fun.


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4

In-Progress Characters
Jereru - Elf? Magus
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Aevar Howen Male Pitborn Cavalier(Green Knight)
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
grimdog73
Solicitor


Hit Points at level one are max.

Veegees Blossoming Light is fine. The situation arises when a class would lose armor proficiencies but gain something like Int or Wis to AC. If full armor proficiency were to remain, suddenly we have heavy armor + dex + wis, which could get wildly out of control. Again, this is a rough system that requires a delicate touch in adjudication.

Wanderer82 both have potential. Play around and see what sticks.


3d4 + 12 ⇒ (2, 2, 1) + 12 = 17


Could Blind Fight be a free feat? It's actually useful for a melee... so I'm in doubt.


Okay, in any case, this is Corwynt Winterbreeze.

I still need to pick some languages and see if I left anything.

Also, I'm working under the assumption that Myth Drannor is still a dangerous ruin to be explored. If that's not the case, I'll tweak the background a bit.


Ok, I said I would not apply but it is hard to resist :P

If by any reason Flanderdash does NOT apply with his Paladin, I will put Tessai forward. Just because I think you cannot traverse the Realms (or any land of adventure really!) without a Paladin :)

All crunchy bits are in the alias!

Fluff wise, I am getting a vibe along the lines of she being perhaps kept as a 'demonic' pet and trophy for an Underdark slaver during her early years, constantly beaten (and perhaps worse) as she was naturally ferocious and tried to fight back her captivity. Then... Perhaps she was liberated by a band of adventurers, one of them becoming her mentor? Or maybe she simply was traded to the surface and managed to escape? Living on the run until finally she found solace in the temple of - I am in doubt here which one would make more sense, Helm or Hoar?

I would play her as a grim and unforgiving one, hardened by many years of suffering. As close to 'Eye for an Eye' as it may be possible for a Paladin. I have a clear picture of the character, but I like the background to be open ended, and in fact there are things about her past she knows nothing about.


Tessai wrote:
If by any reason Flanderdash does NOT apply with his Paladin, I will put Tessai forward. Just because I think you cannot traverse the Realms (or any land of adventure really!) without a Paladin :)

I say just apply with what you want to play and let the cards fall where they may. You aren't taking someone's spot by applying, and having more than one paladin for the GM to scan over can only help, rather than hinder.


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4
Jereru - Corwynt Winterbreeze Elf Magus(Kensai/Hexcrafter?) 4

In-Progress Characters
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Aevar Howen Male Pitborn Cavalier(Green Knight)
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?
Edeldhur - Tessai Female Tiefling(Oni-Spawn) Paladin (Oath Against Fiends/Oath of Vengeance) 3/Oracle 1

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
grimdog73
Solicitor


Hello! Dotting here with the hope that I can put something together in time for what looks like an epic campaign!

I'm interested in submitting what would conceptually be a multi-classed Mage/Thief! It's a class I enjoyed in earlier editions of D&D, and seems like a fun character for Forgotten Realms and your house rules.

Mechanically, I'm not exactly sure how I'll do it, but the most obvious idea I had was using an Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue as its core. In terms of the "free archetype," please let me know if that seems okay in terms of power level. The benefits I would gain over a traditional Eldritch Scoundrel:
-Light armor proficiency
-8 skill points per level rather than 4
-Trap Sense rather than Alarm Sense (magic traps only)
-Sneak Attack progression every other odd level, instead of every odd level
-Rogue Talents every even level instead of every 4 levels
-Uncanny Dodge and Improved Uncanny Dodge
I'm happy to give up any of these benefits if they're of concern. Or even take an entirely different free archetype and use this one as a non-free archetype. I'm definitely a bit concerned which is why I want to talk it over. Just let me know.

*Edit* - Another way to do it is to build toward the Arcane Trickster prestige class. I could try that if you prefer!


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4
Jereru - Corwynt Winterbreeze Elf Magus(Kensai/Hexcrafter?) 4

In-Progress Characters
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Aevar Howen Male Pitborn Cavalier(Green Knight)
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?
Edeldhur - Tessai Female Tiefling(Oni-Spawn) Paladin (Oath Against Fiends/Oath of Vengeance) 3/Oracle 1
Tazo - Rogue(Eldritch Scoundrel)

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
grimdog73
Solicitor


More musings:
-There are a ton of elf applicants, so perhaps I'll do a human instead!
-I'm thinking of taking Phantom Thief as a free archetype. Would still go Eldritch Scoundrel but would take the disadvantages, since the whole point of that archetype is to balance the mage/thief concept. So please ignore my prior question about what to do with Eldritch Scoundrel benefits. And please let me know if free Phantom Thief looks acceptable.

Will keep noodling this. Thanks so much!


@TheLastGhost - can you clarify your answer regarding Piranha Strike? The feat itself is similar in many ways to both Power Attack and Deadly Aim (-1 to -5 on to hit for +2 to +10 on damage rolls, only with finesse-able weapons).

When you say, "Piranha Strike is included in EitR," do you mean that it is an option available to any PC to use, just like Power Attack/Deadly Aim? Or is it a feat that still needs to be taken, as is?

Not relevant, but about Wordcasting:
It's a closed system - only ever released in one book and only translating the base-game spells into its system. There are absolutely cool/powerful things it can do, but it isn't even close to the power of many of the stuff that has been released since. The lack of updates is a big deal here.

This guide is the source from which I get most of my interest in it. I think it's an easy read and worth considering as an alternative spell system for unusual casters. Just my 2 cp.

Oh, and it is Paizo/1st Party!


Re: Piranha Strike:

Though most of us like to include Power Attack and Combat Expertise as granted feats when we use EitR, the actual rule is that those feats disappear. Instead, the rules now grant two combat options, independent from feats: Risky Strike and Defensive Stance.

Now, if you look at the general text, it says they can be used by anyone with a BAB of +1 or superior and they don't require any feat to do so. The specific text for Risky Strike reads:

"You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one-handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls. T his bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon."

So it can be applied to two-handed, one-handed, light, ranged and thrown weapons all the same, with no need for 13 Str or Dex. Basically, you don't need Piranha Strike, and if you're ever asked for it as a prerequisite, you count as having it.


Alright, I love big and comprehensive character creation rules and can't resist figuring out something to play. Consider this my dot, I'm going to ruminate on it.


Tessai wrote:

Ok, I said I would not apply but it is hard to resist :P

If by any reason Flanderdash does NOT apply with his Paladin, I will put Tessai forward. Just because I think you cannot traverse the Realms (or any land of adventure really!) without a Paladin :)

You know what? Go for it. I think I'm going to be stepping back on this one, so more power to ya. Paladins rock!


Big question! I am thinking of just going hard in on a fighter; the archetype I'm thinking of going for is the Unbreakable. I am curious about whether or not fighters get free access to Combat Stamina and the combat tricks it revolves around? If not, am I able to pick it up and then use the tricks?


Jereru blind fight would be totally acceptable. The restriction on the bonus feats is not a hard no combat or no spell casting, but rather on your primary focus, so an evoker should not be taking spell penetration, spell focus- Evocation, maximize spell, etc. If they wanted to spend some feeds to buff a second school of magic, or pursue another avenue off their spellcaster base, that would be okay. Same thing for warrior type - if you're all about a two-handed sword and power attack, it shouldn't be furious focus or cleave. But if you wanted to train up some archery, that is as acceptable as pursuing some skills, or another alternate path. The goal is to have well-rounded characters, I know it's a vague rule, but my party has been able to work with it for many years.

Tessai consider yourself in the mix.

Tazo haha, so I just spent 20 minutes going back and forth on how to handle eldritch scoundrel.... Then I saw your second post! Yes, phantom thief is definitely acceptable as your free option, and you can apply ES normally.

DarkOne Jereru is correct in his assessment. The feats no longer exist, they are now just combat options.


Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4
Jereru - Corwynt Winterbreeze Elf Magus(Kensai/Hexcrafter?) 4

In-Progress Characters
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
Flanderdash - Eberk Kraghelm Male Dwarf Paladin of Moradin 4
CrusaderWolf - Aevar Howen Male Pitborn Cavalier(Green Knight)
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?
Edeldhur - Tessai Female Tiefling(Oni-Spawn) Paladin (Oath Against Fiends/Oath of Vengeance) 3/Oracle 1
Tazo - Rogue(Eldritch Scoundrel/Phantom Thief)
KingHotTrash - Fighter(Unbreakable)

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
grimdog73
Solicitor

I'll be sorry to see you go, Flanderdash, but I'm looking forward to the OSR game you're running. If you're dropping for sure, let me know and I'll remove you from the list.


Dropping for sure, Adam. Don't want to get stretched too thin with my new game getting started. ;)

Have fun, all!


Got ya. Looking forward to it. :)

Completed Characters
Krisam - Kael Male Half-Elf Ranger(Wild Shadow) 4
Allen Dawson - Ravanel Sagewing Female Elf Magus(Spell Dancer) 4
AdamWarnock - Mia Curseborn Female Tiefling Fighter 3/Unchained Rogue 1 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
SmooshieBanana - Lilianne Nightshade Female Sun Elf Ranger(Freebooter/Warden) 4 (Link to image you can use with Paizo Campaign Tools plugin)
DeathQuaker - Sophronia Human Brawler(Wild Child) 3/Druid 1 and Nora the Cow
DankeSean - Leuc Joslund Male Aasimar Shaman (Animist) 4
Jereru - Corwynt Winterbreeze Elf Magus(Kensai/Hexcrafter?) 4

In-Progress Characters
Dm Joseph Rauel - Halfling Cavalier(Order of the Paw)
DarkOne7141981 - Halfling Ninja/VMC Monk
Veegees - Female Half-Elf Sword Dancer
Monkeygod - Feyspeaker Druid
CrusaderWolf - Aevar Howen Male Pitborn Cavalier(Green Knight)
Slowdrifter - Aelanurel Silvermist Female? Moon Elf Witch
Camris - Ahrendue Sarrieth Female Half-Elf Cleric of Sune/VMC Sorcerer 4
Simeon - Inquisitor of Chauntea (Vigilant Defender/Preacher)
Mustaparta - Earth Genasi Fighter(Drill Sergeant)/Witch(Alley Witch)?
Edeldhur - Tessai Female Tiefling(Oni-Spawn) Paladin (Oath Against Fiends/Oath of Vengeance) 3/Oracle 1
Tazo - Rogue(Eldritch Scoundrel/Phantom Thief)
KingHotTrash - Fighter(Unbreakable)

Dots
noral
wander82
Ghost886
grimdog73
Solicitor

@GM TheLastGhost: I've moved a couple of skill points from Know(Local) to Bluff and swapped Rapid Shot for Skill Focus(Perception) Mia's updated stats are in her profile.

By the way, do you want us to provide any RP samples or an in-character vignette? I know some GM's do. (I'm one of them that likes to do that.) I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask while we still have time to add that to our character profiles/submissions.

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