Response to jaegar's post in gameplay:
See, I didn't even realize you were being shanked. It's hard for me to keep track of everyone's position and situation.
But let's face it. You have the taint in you. Cid will probably let you die ;-) just kidding. He'd want to do it himself. I'll help you :-)
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I spoke with Kieran. Life is crazy crazy and since his job has forbidden the use of internet his posting has been slowed to a halt. He is still interested regardless and has requested to be dmnpc'd until he finds some time.
Thats all well and good, but each of these bad guys has 13 hp (like us)
they all have good armor class (like us)
And they are good at killing things (like us)
And thats not even counting the two other different kinds of NPC tokens I seen on the battlefield.
Unless Tawn'Garth happens to be 7th level and about to carry us all I just can't see us as level 1 characters being expected to survive this.
Were we a few higher levels, to the point where one swing would reliably remove one bad guy? Then yeah, no problem.
But we get 1 attack a round and on average downing one of these guys is gong to require landing two swings.
If we do survive this I very much hope to get Cid in a idealogical debate at some point. Jen would have a field day with such an 'interesting' concept as murdering the demon tainted.
As to tactics, keeping everyone up to date on the events of the round would be best. Well that and talking in game, I know Jaeger isn't one to much ask for it but if he had called for help it would have made the decision much easier.
Yea...its not like this is the first time Jaeger has gotten in over his head and not actually called out for help...its his modus operandi. Not saying its smart but *shrugs Oh yea I think one thing that might help keep everything a br more orginized is if we start posting this little jewel
For all of that we've manage to take out twice our number so far, hell I'm up to 8. Let things unfold as they do, if you want your character to suggest a retreat go for it, just don't be surprised when no one listens.
Like I said, bad time to try discussing pacifism.
Hey, yeah, so... There's, like, ~190+ new posts between the IC and OOC threads for this campaign. If this could be summed up in 19 words, what would they be?
Gonna read up but I thought this could be fun! :-D
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Demon's appeared some monegrelman traitors made a Ga'tulcifix Igni is a traitorous bastich (totally called that one) holy half-orc.
Ha! Nice.
Posts to come tomorrow, 20 hr shift is kicking my ass...
But I am being reduced to 12 hr's permanently soon. :P which sucks. But I am working an extra week this month for more cash so its not too bad.
Happy thanksgiving!
Heh. Dissension in the ranks. as a player *hand steeple* "just as planned...
Regardless of how this pans out for Jen I'm proud to have provided such a distraction.
Cid, I don't want to be a source of PvP but I'm not seeing many ways Jen will respond to you attacking a downed warrior other than engaging you.
Though I really hope to keep it to just words.
With the oaths she needs to follow as a love god paladin killing is a rather big no-no.
I'm well aware that even a small escalation on that will likely result in me getting jumped by the rest of the players but unfortunately paladin vows are hard to bend without issue.
Secondly, did Erytha's healing do enough to bring Kieran back up to consciousness? It would be good to know if he could jump back into the fight, as the player seems alive and kicking if distracted by real life events.
I have a fairly good Idea to Jen's actions for the round but I think a big chunk of it will depend on Cid so I shall wait for a bit more information before acting.
Realize as the newcomer, you attack him, we all attack you. Just something to bear in mind. We have all been through a lot and have reason to be loyal to each other. We still have no idea who you are.
This is why a Paladin can be a problem in a party. And I'm playing one in another version of this adventure path, trust me it's one of my favorite classes, but it's totally a matter of how you choose to run with it, and if you choose to be the type of Paladin that can work with others of differing philosophies.
Bah.
So this is more than likely moot.
DM Corerue stated in his most recent post that Cid's action is not possible as a diagonal charge from where he is results in a movement coat of 70ft. Cid can't run that fast.
As to Alignment issues and such.
Yes, that is absolutely the case, and were this not Wrath of the Righteous absolutely THE AP for paladins I wouldn't have bothered to make one.
Even Michael Carpenter of the Dresden series (the archetypal paladin IMO) has certain things he absolutely will not let pass.
But then crap like that can be argued in circles for ages, with half the warriors turning traitor(again) this fight should wrap quickly.
Once we get out of combat rounds we can argue the realities of battle, faith and all the rest IC and have a ball of a time with it.
I'm thinking Cid and Jen are going to have some interesting conversations in that vein so long as Jen doesn't get herself killed before they happen.
I know it screams Paladin, like I said I play one in another game, but he worships Ragathiel, so while he is a very good person, when the fight starts he's more like heaven's black ops rather than the "hug it out" type.
My favorite book paladin is currently Jericho from the Half Orc and Paladins series..he pushed a dark paladin off a bridge when asked if he could give him an honorable death implyinghe had no honor ...and killed a fleeing enemy, though he did tell him he'd give him the same mercy he was offered which was none.
Sturm Brightblade. Dragonlance forever.
My call in thread was made on the basis that he cannot complete the movement otherwise. Not trying to avoid PvP. Despite how much of a game wrecker it can be but I am the type fo DM that if your going to do it then you live with the consequences of your actions.
DM Fiat only goes so far.
Same with Diplomacy in combat. Normally it isn't allowed. But I enjoyed the genre where you could turn asomeone who wasn't an ally into an unlikely one by being smart.
Will post later~
Kieran is up at 3 hp currently.
Kieran is up at 3 hp currently.
Nice!
Feel free to join combat. I think there is an enemy stepping on you at the moment...
Be kind with called shot groin attacks please~
Welcome back Kieran. :)
Disregard my above comment advice as you posted already which is fine. When I get my laptop working. (Kids pulled it off my workbench 3 ft drop to concrete..... yay.) I will update the map. :(
Far as I can see it Keiran would stand up behind the mongrelman warrior at 16-F. Putting him likely as 16-E. Which would mean he could hit the warrior in front of him as a melee attack rather than a ranged one.
Flanking with a melee attack would likely give a much better chance of that Crit sticking. Still not likely to land with such a crap roll though.
But as his action is already posted perhaps he was kicked out of the way and is infact another 5/10ft away from the fight?
If he stands up and hucks a spear where he is right now he'd provoke twice from both of the mongrelmen. One for standing up and one for using a ranged weapon. That doesn't sound like a winning combination for a barbarian with 9hp.
O man! Can I take it back? It would be so much cooler to shishkebab that dude in the ol' bait n' tackle.
But, yeah, rolls are there. If you want to make it flow better, feel free to substitute actions for actions and get us all on the same page.
I'll wait for your update and go from there :-)
Thats fine, repost your action if it suits the combat better. :)
*chuckle* Gamble? or go with a sure thing. Decisions decisions.
It would certainly make me smile, haha, but I'm happy to leave it all up to you. You'd know the layout better than I would so whatever works, works.
Then I'd say stabbing a mongrelman in the junk sounds like a great plan. It's doubtful to be a crit like your ranged attack was but your melee modifiers are significantly better and there is a good chance said mongelman is going to be rather surprised when your character was unconscious just a moment ago.
Might even net you the flatfooted bonus so you can stand up without getting filled full of pointy pointy knives. And then you can flanky-rage-y-powah attacky- barbar great justice smash yourself a mook.
Waking up and eating the prone penalty could work as well if you wanted a better shot at a nut shot. trouble is that these guys have fairly good armor so tanking your to hit score would make your chances of actually landing the strike significantly lower.
Hrmm... I think I'm over thinking here. If you are looking for a debilitating effect then making a Dirty trick maneuver would be your desired option.
If you just want to stab him with a super hard poke in places sun don't shine the see the hyphenated run-on above.
I will press forward tomorrow once I am settled in at work. I was hoping Cid would post again, as his current actions were not able to be completed. He has the benefit to retcon and post his current round actions as well but I won't hold this up longer then it needs to be...
Do the squares equal 5ft? I guess I looked at the map wrong. I also am unable to move Cid's picture to the places I had designated. I had to write what squares he moved to. Maybe that info was missed?
Regardless, no big deal. I'll retcon my turn and help the smelly half-breed... he may have tainted blood, but his efforts increase our chances of survival.
I'll let you live for now, Jaegar.
Wow, Cid is really going to throw a stick in the wheel for two of the party members :) Ya'll better bring it.
Two? I'm pretty sure Jen is by herself in trying to make this combat anything but a bloodbath. Well herself and a large number of Mongelman minions.
As to throwing sticks in the wheel, I suppose that's true though mostly its you having just opened yourself to a greatsword to the chest. -2AC means you are sitting at 15AC against the mongelman with the big knife. So I wouldn't doubt that Cid is going to be on the receiving end of a Held action attack/Partial charge and another standard action attack this round. Courtesy of Defender Mongrel.
Greatswords hurt, So I'll make sure Jen interferes if things become lethal.
Also, thinking you are misremembering the charge rules.
Movement During a ChargeYou must move before your attack, not after. You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent. If you move a distance equal to your speed or less, you can also draw a weapon during a charge attack if your base attack bonus is at least +1.
As you have both moved more than half speed* and you lack a +1bab. That would make for a small hitch in your planned action.
*The distance remaining to your target is 40ft.Something to keep in mind for future as I'm voting to just roll with it at this point because I don't want to hold things up any further.
Spring loaded Wrist sheath with a melee weapon is also an excellent option to permit longer range charges.
I'm going to hope that someone in our little group can manage that perception check dice luck was not with me today. What with the way that Agni already pulled one trick on you all(trapping you in this kill box) I'm not going to be surprised if he has another.
I had two turns to make. But yeah, you're right about needing a +1 BAB. The charge was moot anyways.
Quick question before I move forward, is the mongrelman I currently have impaled obviously acting against Ifri (Ifri is the big-bad if I recall)? I thought I was charging an unconscious foe.
Gotchya! Thanks for breaking it down Barney-style for me!
No worries, glad to help.
Hopefully Jaeger explains what he was talking about soon. unfortunately the dice gods didn't want me seeing that perception spoiler.
Or Ifri reacts to make that check unnecessary.
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Hey I let you all know about the demons at the gates..stop harrashing me!!:)
Maah, why you no speak-a tha' englesh jaggar? Cho' secret heritage been discovared.Yer a Jäger Harry err Jaeger!
Hidden yer heeitagche buh noh yes name? bad schneeky. bet yash onea these'r yas granpy.
Wha ju talkin bout? Ole' Jaeger never even heard o dis Jagermonster dings. Ju be lookin at di wrong origin story.
@cid im not 100% sure but I think neathholm Is the city of mongrelmen you guys just entered.
Hence Ifris desire to blow it up as it presents a viable gap in the ward fence the city above maintains.
Aw yeah. I'm getting confused with the details and misreading. It's what I get for delaying my posts for almost a month. I need to take a couple hours one of these days and just read the thread again from the beginning.
Hrmm... lesse I imagine our Wondrous GM has a better log of things some where but this is all I remember.
there was a big party in the upper city. Kenebrasas or something I think.
Everybody celebrating the city's impregnability and how strong the giant magic demon net is.
And then the party is crashed by the biggest flaming-est winged-est demon to ever badass across the land. The storm king, Balor Lord.
He starts blowing up the town and decapitates the town champion (A fancy silver dragon) who uses her last ergs of power to cast feather fall on you all when the Storm King uses an ability to collapse the street.
Then you wake up in a cave, talk for a bit determine that there is a big spider in the room with you and stab it.
The spider's corpse does nothing, the gigantic maggots living in it however...
Need to get out from under the collaping city though so Tally Ho!
Then I think it was, party split. Some went to an abandoned camp and the others found a dead man and a mostly full pack. Looting is had and the party comes back together to move forward.
Then more wandering, come across a creepy thin dwarf eating mongrelmen alive. One dead elder mongrelman and one mongrel-et missing her leg up the the thigh.
Interrupting the mans dinner party some chase after the dwarf and others stay to help the girl.
Then half the party fights a losing battle with a half dozen undead minions, with some luck the rest of the party arrives and manages to keep everyone from dying.
Then you encounter Tawn'Garth who executes the thin dwarf in front of you and apparently knows the two mongrelmen and or girl you had just found.
Gruff adventury meeting! weapons rattled threats made and wheels greased by cute little cripple girl.
Come into town, heros greeting Revealed that the mongrelman city of Neathholm is a city of underground dwellers who follow Iomedae keeping a flaw in the demon wards in the above city from being exploited by living in the gap it has.
Conversations are had in the fancy baths of nakedness, many Mongrel ladies and mongrel man make plain their desire to jump the party's Members assuming for some reason that the party can't speak undercommon. They are correct for the most part.
Cid gets glowered at by din't of being a drow in a non-drow underground city.
Then you all go off to help the mongrelmen with something, find a group of wounded mongrelmen and discover they are faking injuries to have you go in a direction. They fight for a bit and die after summoning demons somehow.
Then you go in the direction they indicated find Gal'Chutt staked to a wall and the carrion of dozens of others.
Ifri goads you all into an arena, drops the gate and fighting begins between your group and about two dozen mongrel man warriors.
Fighting is happening, suddenly holy half orc.
And we are up to now-ish.
Ring Ring, paging Kieran.
Action is required swiftly or Jen will glare at you in a disapproving manner.
... Well more disapproving at least.
Do you have any idea how painful that would be? Like con damage type painful
Very, but she would most likely live with a cleric right next to her. Which is a much better option for her than being stuck on a wall when the next horde of things comes to kill us.
Wonder of pathfinder is that all damage is transitory with the advent of divine magic. Though rather horribly utilitarian of a mentality to take on the subject.
But then what I was meaning by this was breaking of the wider chuck of the spike she is attached to and/or sundering the portion attached to the wall. so as to keep the spikes in place but get her off the wall and able to move with her legs. Simply ripping the spikes out would likely cause instantaneous death from ruptured arteries. Which are currently blocked due to large hunks of metal, though even if those were avoided she's gonna have big ol' bleeding holes in her arms losing blood at a quick pace.
Better to keep the blocks in place until a better environment for healing is available.
Not sure what the wall she is attached to looks like but carving chunks out of it could also work.
Though I suppose thinking about it regardless of how you slice it getting Ga'Tul off that wall is going to involve crippling agony.
Somehow managed to miss the update on this til now.
Will need to get to an actual computer so I can write a response to that.
The main enemy of the area knowing exactly what buttons to push to get Jen into burnmaimkill mode is concerning.
I'm starting to imagine Brock Samson every time Kieran goes into a rage. This is my first Barbarian and I think it's ridiculous! Love it.
Yeah, barbs are fun. The reckless abandon rage power and some of the abilities barbarians have later on that punishes people for hitting them can make a very funny method of combat.
Well that and you are a human so if you choose to take the barbarian favored class bonus you can boost your saves VS. spells and SLA's to ridiculous heights. Entirely worth the problems it makes.
...And mythic power attack is going to make you a sight to behold.
Halpy new year!!
Posts coming later today, still working into my new work schedule. Apologies for the wait. :/
*sigh* a waste of gold that was, had been hoping to at least shoot that damned shadow once before it turned tail and ran.
But hey survival over long odds there.
Sooo....anyone up for a recon mission to the inhospitable wastelands of Alaska?