Well, we can start building our smithies for 6BP or see if we can build a wind mill. We can build tenements to save money, but some were opposed to that. I guess we are trying to avoid a serf/lower class.
Looking at the spreadsheet it appears that we own 3 hexes and built 3 farms but only have 1 road. Roads eventually give 2 Econ/1 Stability per 8 BP invested (meaning that the benefit only appears after we have 8 hexes of Road). That's better than the cheap buildings with the best return on investment (mill/smith/tannery at 6 BP to 1 Econ/Stab) so we should be building roads in every hex we claim to eventually get those bonuses.
The exploration map only shows 2 hexes as claimed- did we claim the Fangberry Thicket hex, too? I'd try to claim up toward the abandoned mining camp so we can get the resource bonus there then try to claim hexes up to Oleg's. There's no real bonus involved in building a road up to the South Rostland Road, but it seems like a reasonable IC goal to connect Stagfall to the only real road in the region. Plus that would get us close to our 8 roads goal.
Right now I'm not sure establishing another settlement makes sense. It would raise our command DC by 1 and double our need to build buildings to keep down unrest. IC, Stagfall is still tiny; why would we send out a group of settlers to start another city when we should be using that manpower there?
Edit: I just read the IC post; if Unrest is an issue for some reason, we probably need more Houses (-1 Unrest each) and could always build a City Wall or a Barracks for our militia, both of which we could easily justify IC.
All of what is being said makes sense.
My reason for suggesting another settlement was that I sort of got the impression our Dm was recommending it, but I might have got that wrong perhaps.
The long-term goal should absolutely be to claim hexes so we can include Oleg's in the fold of our kingdom, and we should work towards building a connecting road to there as well.
Quite aside from the economy/stability boost it gives, it also means we can send trade caravans to Restov in the long term.
The reason for suggesting a shop over mills or smithies is that shops could be upgraded later, at the same time, that may not justify the extra cost now, since we are fairly tight budget wise.
One idea could be, claim the next northernmost hex on the road to Oleg, convert it to farmland (to keep the consumption down) for 2 Bp, build the first step of the road from Stagfall for 1 Bp, and build the first of a set of city walls for 2 more BP.
Total cost 5 BP, -1 for the Stability check.
Total remaining treasury 11 BP, plus whatever we roll on the economics roll.
After my first read I thought that Stagfall's population was at critical levels with crime on the rise, but on re-reading it the post actually says that Restov's population is at critical levels, not Stagfall's. I think that's there to show why people might be emigrating from the Restov area to Stagfall.
Didn't mean to recommend creating a settlement... and the cons do seem to outweigh the pros at the moment.
Only 2 hexes are shown as claimed because there was some stalling to see if either the Skunk River Lizards' or Beldame's hex would be available.
You should have 2 roads... I'm pretty sure I distinctly remember that.
Regarding news in Restov... Mr Chaudair (The Lord Mayor's PA) mentioned on his last visit...
"As you know, Restov is within Brevoy's borders, but largely operates independently. As of late, the relationship between our Lord Mayor and the Dragonscale Throne of Brevoy has soured. Recently, a request to expand the borders of Restov was denied... the city is already suffering the effects of overpopulation. We do not ask anything other more than to count on you as an ally who will one day be a future power. Our alliance with you will bring weight to our words to the Dragonscale Throne, and a safe border to our south."
... so it is as Sonechka said, but also politics off the gameboard.
Well, unless Norton or Dolgrym has other ideas, it seems like our long term goal is clear enough.
Expand north, build a road to connect Stagfall and Oleg's, and at the time, incorporate Oleg's place into our growing kingdom.
With a few decent economics rolls, we should be able to build something significant every other turn.
That would keep us busy for maybe a years worth of time in game.
Sounds like a plan to me. Connecting the two seem like the play.
Sounds good to me.
Sounds like we are all more or less in agreement on the long term plans, I seem to recall Norton being in favour of that before as well.
That just leaves the short term, this month.
So far the alternatives seem to be
A: Claim the north-eastern hex, build a road, convert it to farmland and begin constructing city walls.
B: Claim north-eastern hex, build a road, build a smithy/Windmill (And possibly a house).
Did I miss anything?
I'm sorry I had been very busy.
Expanding north it's ok with me, connecting Oleg is the most sensible thing.
I just want to remind that Norton was also investing in an Inn at Oleg's.
No clear consensus it seems?
I really hope I'm not going to upset anyone, but if nobody disagrees I say we go with plan A and move on to the economy roll and then see about setting up our first army unit.
Going with plan A may be better for now, since an army unit apparently has a consumption once a week rather than once a month like everything else.
I'm fine with either of those. Plan A works.
Ok, so lets move on to the army bit.
Creating an army doesn't cost anything from what I have gathered, but they do have a consumption.
For a standing army that is paid once a week, and for an army in reserve it is paid once a month.
I suggest we create one unit now, an active unit under Furiels control.
We can't make it too big for obvious reasons, so I'm thinking we make it a unit of (Army large).
Then we create another unit of militia that we put in reserve.
That consumption is probably going to be negated by farmlands in the long run, but gives us a reserve if things go bad.
We should also look into giving the first unit bows (2 BP) since under Furiels command they will become sharpshooters.
I'm not sure I get the mass combat rules completely, but from what I get so far, that SEEMS like a good idea.
Yes, I agree that's the way to go for first army units.
I disagree as it cost 8 bps a month (2 for archer units a week).
I would rather pay for a large reserve unit, it requires a castle to put in reserve, a reason I pushed for the castle buy at first.
When we mobilize them we can pay 4 a month or give them bows and pay 8 a month.
But a large reserve unit in garrison costs 1 BP a month in consumption. And, I wanted to build our economy as priority one--smithy at the minimum.
But I thought we made these decisions already.
Ah, I was under the impression that resources was a one time cost.
Hmm, in that case I agree that starting with a unit in reserves is a good idea.
And since we are going to war, we might as well make it an army rather than a militia.
Good catch.
I think in the beginning we have to be somewhat flexible with our plans. The economy is our weakest bit so far, which is why it needs to be increased.
Hopefully, by being conservative this month, we can afford to buy something like a foundry next month.
That's the idea at least.
With two mines close to Stagfall, that will give us a nice boost, and allow us a cheap smithy possibly as soon as the month after.
I don't want a regular unit of bowmen to add 8 to consumption until we are formally at war.
You are currently -6 consumption now (including the newest farm).
One 1 consumption/week army, and one castle-dwelling reserve unit will cost you 0BP.
EDIT: Ah just read gameplay post. So 2BP to arm the reserve unit with crossbows, and increase consumption by 1. That would bring you to 0 consumption/month and a one-time cost of 2BP.
Nice.
So we can raise two units at once?
Not usually, but I'd said you could use your 2nd month and 3rd month opportunities to raise an army now... because I think I'd made it seem you couldn't before.
That would put the total cost at 7 BP this phase, reduced to 6 for the stability roll leaving us with 9 BP in the treasury, before the economics roll.
Net gain:
+1 Hex (Farmland)
One city wall (As one side is mostly water, do we need to build a full city wall there or do we get a discount?)
+1 Road (for a total of 3?)
One large army unit (With Crossbows) Placed in Reserves
One large Army unit active. (Commander to be decided)
21 treasury for next month? Now we're cooking with gas!
All OK with heading north - exploring to discover the shrine, and plan to hit Oleg's after?
We need some action.
(once we're done here)
That sounds good to me.
Works for me.
If you selling off Kinsilvi's belongings (Fine art and furniture, jewelry, coffers.. not including magic items),
2700gp each
There are also a good deal of magic items no one is using which could be transferred into BP or sold.
Is there an easily accessible list of the magic items? We should probably sell the lot of them, but I want to be sure there isn't something we'd regret getting rid of.
Loot Spreadsheet
I think the intention has been to donate much of it to the treasury, but if you guys are getting strapped for cash, then maybe you should sell an item or two for gp.
I don't think items from Tiny Dogman and after have been entered.
Don't suppose I could bum that +1 fey bane war hammer, could I? That could come in hand for melee situations out here in the forest!
Sure can. I put it down.
Thanks, F. I'll add it my sheet tomorrow.
Can I delete Merick from the deathless breastplate (line 79) or did his PC take it with him, in which case I can delete the whole line?
For the items marked Oleg's, does that mean they were sold? If so, could we delete those items from the spreadsheet to reduce the clutter? Or maybe we could highlight the lines of items already sold to make them easy to identify at a glance.
There's an unidentified wand on line 93. We can probably assume Dolgrym/Furiel/Sonya identified it at some point.
I marked a bunch of unclaimed stuff and stuff marked Oleg's "To be sold" and it brings in 15355 gp. Converting loot to BP isn't super efficient; that would be less than 4 BP if we donate all the proceeds to the kingdom.
I'll go through and find the loot we've found since Sonya and Dolgrym came on board and make sure its on the spreadsheet, too. Adding those items and selling some of the less interesting stuff brings it up to 19385.
I don't know how to price the Fur Cloak of Theft Detection or the Mother's Mask and the Ring with the Haunted Fey Aspect still has unidentified properties.
And we've got a lesser extend rod up for grabs. Sonya would be happy to take it but we've got 2 other spellcasters who probably need it more. Furiel's already got a metamagic rod, so give it to Dolgrym?
Also noticed that Norton is carrying a +1 magic longbow and a +1 magic crossbow. Is that an error?
An extend wand would be perfect for Dolgrym's Transmutation spells for Mage Armor, Bull's Strength and all of that jazz.
I'll put Dolgrym's name down for the extend rod.
Did he take the Grounding dagger, too?
We can just spend funds to buy another extend lesser. I mostly use summons aND 2 rounds eXtra is useful. Lesser lingering and threatening are not so useful, I took them because no one else wanted them.
We should sell the force beads too. Plan on selling the the threatening wand, the lingering may be useful with color spray.
No need to ever convert gps to bps.
Green Will spend the four days setting up a recruitment process for a team that Kressle can lead.
Added it to the downtime tab.
Hmm. With the Threatening rod and her Ghost Sound headband, Sonya could threaten enemies for the melee types from a distance. It's a decent backup ability. She'd probably take the Threatening rod before selling it.
The current per PC payout is 3877. That's enough to buy a lesser extend rod.
Then again, if Sonya sells her Ghost Sound headband and the Threatening rod that's an extra 600 gp and then she could buy a headband of intelligence. Might want to do that instead, yeah.
Furiel or Dolgrym- are either of you going to do Craft Wondrous Items in the future? I was thinking about taking that at 5. Sonya might save the bulk of her money if she can craft at a discount at next level.
Crafting checks for Craft: Alchemy.
I didn't take the Grounding dagger. I don't think I have a real need for it, to be honest.
Sorry for vanishing, crappy times in real life. I'll be back ASAP.
On the spreadsheet, Olegs means, things are ours, but were actualy left at Olegs' place, and we didn't go back since.
Norton has a mundane composite longbow +2, and a heavy crossbow of hunting +1
I think he never shot a single ammunition, if somebody is interested, just say it.
It's getting dark... camp or follow tracks by "torchlight"?
Norton has a mundane composite longbow +2, and a heavy crossbow of hunting +1
I think he never shot a single ammunition, if somebody is interested, just say it.
I'm not interested, was just thinking that we could sell one of them. Especially if he's not using the crossbow, let's sell it and distribute some of those resources.
We should probably camp since only a few of the PCs can see in the dark.
Looking at the loot sheet again, I'm debating giving Glaza the Bag of Endless Caltrops. Caltrops delivered at range via overhead bombardment could be useful, assuming you're okay with that, DM.
Probably best to camp, in the morning we can find out if the trolls keep going after ol' Tusky.
I agree. Last thing we need to to get routed by creatures with darkvision.
Camp.
We can sell the Crossbow, probably better after we get the Boar and that other creature Oleg wants, I think it has a bonus against animals.
Caltrops to Slaza are fine to me
We can sell the Crossbow, probably better after we get the Boar and that other creature Oleg wants, I think it has a bonus against animals.
I hope you picked up some crossbow ammo, then. :)
Looking at the loot sheet again, I'm debating giving Glaza the Bag of Endless Caltrops. Caltrops delivered at range via overhead bombardment could be useful, assuming you're okay with that, DM.
I'll allow it.. with either a DC12 fly check per activation or a ranged attack roll vs the ground... your choice.
Price: 800 gp
Item Level: 3rd
Body Slot: —
Caster Level: 9th
Aura: Moderate; (DC 19) Conjuration
Activation: Move (manipulation)
Weight: 2.0 lb.This nondescript brown leather pouch is secured with a piece of twisted wire that has several sharp points.
Five times per day, you can reach into this pouch and pull out a handful of caltrops (enough to cover a 5-foot square). In addition to the activation cost, filling a 5-foot square with caltrops by hand requires a standard action.
The caltrops produced are not magical and follow all the rules for normal caltrops (PH 126).
Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item ,
Leomund'sSecret Chest .Cost to Create: 400 gp,
32 XP, 1 day.