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Mothman wrote:what do I need to do to get hold of this demo character generator thing? do I need an account at the wotsy site? Anyone got a link?You can get it on the D&D Insider main page. I don't think you need an account to get it, but at worst you just need a forum account.
Thanks. Found it, downloaded it (you don't seem to need an account of any type), can't run it, keep getting an error message. Bummer.

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Oh well, we’re getting new computers here at work over the weekend, so I might try again next week.
Oh, also, I am supposed to be changing over my internet connection at home tonight, if there’s a problem I might be left without internet over the weekend, so may or may not get chance to post.

AinvarG |

Oh well, we’re getting new computers here at work over the weekend, so I might try again next week.
Oh, also, I am supposed to be changing over my internet connection at home tonight, if there’s a problem I might be left without internet over the weekend, so may or may not get chance to post.
If your computer at work is set to not download updates to Windows without administrative approval, I think that might be tripping you up. The generator requires a later (if not the latest, I really don't pay attention to Windows updates that closely -- someone else's job) updates to .NET and will try to download and install it automatically as part of the generator's install. So there could be a permission issue preventing the .NET download or install. I think that would create an error like you mentioned.
And yes, I did download and install it to look at it. Not sure if it improved my attitude about 4E or not. Might have piqued my interest a smidgen. Looking forward to following y'all's game.

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Here's a premature listing of peoples' initial thoughts on characters:
Heathy - ?
Raggy - ?
Ithers - Leader (Warlord) or Striker (Sorcerer)
Vatters - Defender (Paladin, Warder, or Swordmage)
Oldy - Controller (Druid)
Mothy - Striker (Ranger)
OK, Mothy has dropped out, so that leaves us with:
Heathy - Warlock (maybe) (striker)
Raggy - ?
Ithers - Warlord or Sorcerer (Leader or Striker)
Vatters - Warden or Paladin or Swordmage (Defender)
Oldy - Druid (Controller)
Five is the magic number for 4e but I'd prefer six in case somone drops out. Any suggestions? Davi/Wagyu - you interested?

Eben TheQuiet |

Hey, i'm a long-time follower of Aub's games, and if yall don't hear back from either of those other possible players (i know they spoke up before i did), i'd love to be a candidate for the 6th spot.
i'm relatively fluent with the 4E system, and am just now getting into the Golarion setting.
Either way, it's good to see another Aubrey game started up.

Davi The Eccentric |

I'll take the other striker spot with the sorcerer unless Ragadolf isn't keen on the leader role.
With only one player in the leader slot are you at a disadvantage if it were a warlord and not a cleric?
Short answer: Not really. Warlords aren't the best healers, but the sheer amount of shifts and buffs they can give out make up for it. They work better in parties more melee-focused than this one, but it should still work.
Also, Aubrey, I'd love to join, but I'm playing in Fabes' game already.

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I'll focus my paladin more on healing then, to make up for our lack of a cleric.
Still waiting for my PHB...
I'd wait and see what Raggy decides he wants to play before making any firm decisions, unless a more healing-focussed pally is what you want anyway.

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Hey, i'm a long-time follower of Aub's games, and if yall don't hear back from either of those other possible players (i know they spoke up before i did), i'd love to be a candidate for the 6th spot.
i'm relatively fluent with the 4E system, and am just now getting into the Golarion setting.
Either way, it's good to see another Aubrey game started up.
No probs, Eben. If I don't hear in a day or so you can have the next slot.

dungeonmaster heathy |

I'll try to get my warlock fogger together in the next day or two;
my "Masks of Sasserine" schpiel is sortof a game in constant flux; it seems to me that I have built something 2-3 months ago and by this juncture it's totally not what I want to do anymore so I have to rebuild it; I'm cranking builds for that bad boy kinda hardcore at the moment.
Also,...one guy leaves,....one guy comes back;.....I'm not complaining, it's just I have a bit of tweaking to do sometimes.
Plus (LOL) what I'm rebuilding,....the initial build was totally 3.5e stuff, and I want it Pathfinderizated.
Whaddya know....my rebuilding debacle makes me a 4e poster child...

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No rush - I won't actually get my hands on a print copy of the adventure until at least next week. I've been out of the office for five weeks (not actually a bad things, all things considered) so my Paizo and Amazon post is piling up, no doubt.

Davi The Eccentric |

I'll focus my paladin more on healing then, to make up for our lack of a cleric.
Still waiting for my PHB...
Yeah, what Aubrey said. There's only five people, and a warlord plus the extra healing from Lay On Hands is going to be plenty. If it isn't, just have a few people multiclass into leader classes to get a few more heals a day.
Besides, Oldy's playing a guardian druid if I remember right, so his HP's probably going to be good, and if Heathy plays a Constitution-based Warlock he's going to have more HP than you do. Don't worry.

Wagyu |

Ooh! Glad I checked in before turning in for the night. I'd kick myself if I let this opportunity pass by since a number of you guys are responsible for me getting sucked into following PbP campaigns! (Sorry Eben)
Looking at what people are considering, I think I'll try out a Valorous Half-Elf Bard. It might be a bit before I can put together his backgound & motivations as that's where I usually have a hard time.

Eben TheQuiet |

Ooh! Glad I checked in before turning in for the night. I'd kick myself if I let this opportunity pass by since a number of you guys are responsible for me getting sucked into following PbP campaigns! (Sorry Eben)
No biggie. I want to respect the fact that you guys spoke up first. I'll follow along, anyway, and maybe a spot will open up in one of his games at some point.
: slips the Avenger/Cleric concept back on the shelf :

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I just received my 4E PHB - give me a couple of nights, and I think I'll have something ready. I'm leaning towards a half-elf paladin, but I think I'll go for a more rough-and-tumble character than the standad LG knight in shining armour.
Edit: Wow. 4E is very different from 3.5 or PF, isnt it...

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Wagyu wrote:Ooh! Glad I checked in before turning in for the night. I'd kick myself if I let this opportunity pass by since a number of you guys are responsible for me getting sucked into following PbP campaigns! (Sorry Eben)No biggie. I want to respect the fact that you guys spoke up first. I'll follow along, anyway, and maybe a spot will open up in one of his games at some point.
: slips the Avenger/Cleric concept back on the shelf :
Tell you what, we'll run with seven. Since five is the magic number for 4e rather than four in 3e, and I'm running with seven in my Eberron game, it shouldn't be a big deal.

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Ooh! Glad I checked in before turning in for the night. I'd kick myself if I let this opportunity pass by since a number of you guys are responsible for me getting sucked into following PbP campaigns! (Sorry Eben)
Looking at what people are considering, I think I'll try out a Valorous Half-Elf Bard. It might be a bit before I can put together his backgound & motivations as that's where I usually have a hard time.
A 20 page epistle on your characters background, motivations, desires and tastes in sushi is not obligatory. What you need to think about is: why is this guy accepting a commission from Brevoy to explore the wilds of the Stolen Lands in the River Kingdoms? What is he getting out of it?

Wagyu |

Wagyu wrote:A 20 page epistle on your characters background, motivations, desires and tastes in sushi is not obligatory. What you need to think about is: why is this guy accepting a commission from Brevoy to explore the wilds of the Stolen Lands in the River Kingdoms? What is he getting out of it?Ooh! Glad I checked in before turning in for the night. I'd kick myself if I let this opportunity pass by since a number of you guys are responsible for me getting sucked into following PbP campaigns! (Sorry Eben)
Looking at what people are considering, I think I'll try out a Valorous Half-Elf Bard. It might be a bit before I can put together his backgound & motivations as that's where I usually have a hard time.
Heh. I wasn't planning on anything like the epistle. I'm looking to do more than just fill a "needed" role in the party with a race, class & set of stats the way I have been of late.
It's good to know I'm on the right track though, as my efforts had been to try to explain why he's in Brevoy about to set off on this commission.

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For each character I'll want the character sheet online here (which is a pain for 4e, since the powers will have to be copied out, but I think it is necessary otherwise we will need to lug round the rules books). So I suggest you set up an avatar and post it there as a start to the broader process of setting up the character sheet.

Eben TheQuiet |

I just received my 4E PHB - give me a couple of nights, and I think I'll have something ready. I'm leaning towards a half-elf paladin, but I think I'll go for a more rough-and-tumble character than the standad LG knight in shining armour.
Edit: Wow. 4E is very different from 3.5 or PF, isnt it...
Yah, anyone expecting to do some tweaking to what they know of 3.5 is in for a shocker... my advice, leave anything 3.5 or Pathfinder behind and look at the rules with fresh eyes... it'll help out a lot in understanding everything.

Eben TheQuiet |

By the way, Eben, you are in. Not sure you noticed.
Oh, excellent! Thanks for including me.
About character creation.. do the characters need to be from Brevoy (or the River Kingdoms)? or do they just need to have some crannies for you to sink your DM hooks into? :)
also when would you like to be wrapping up character creation?

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About character creation.. do the characters need to be from Brevoy (or the River Kingdoms)? or do they just need to have some crannies for you to sink your DM hooks into?
The latter - they can be from wherever provided they have a vageuly reasonable reason to be taking a commission from Brevoy.
also when would you like to be wrapping up character creation?
The next couple of weeks. A few of the players are quite unfamiliar with the rules so I expect there will be some hand-holding. But as soon as is good for you, since the sooner you do it the sooner we can talk about builds, character motivations and background etc.

Wagyu |

For each character I'll want the character sheet online here (which is a pain for 4e, since the powers will have to be copied out, but I think it is necessary otherwise we will need to lug round the rules books). So I suggest you set up an avatar and post it there as a start to the broader process of setting up the character sheet.
I'm not sure how useful this information will be, as I don't know how many folks have Google accounts & part of the functionality depends on having a DDI subscription, but there's a site called iPlay4e where folks could upload their Character Builder file for their character and have online access to their powers & whatnot wherever they have internet access. There are other advantages you can see if you visit the site. Saves having to copy out powers, but I'm not sure if folks will find the requirements onerous or annoying or not.
Anyway, I thought I'd mention it just in case anyone thought it might be of use.
Edit: Here's a link to the site: iPlay4e.

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I still want the character sheets here because they are all in the same place and I know I can access Paizo anywhere. A lot of sites (especially one with that name) will be blocked at work and so on. It's not that onerous - you maybe have five or six powers at 1st level and add them incrementally after that. I have a 4e character on the site and it wasn't that big a deal.

Wagyu |

I still want the character sheets here because they are all in the same place and I know I can access Paizo anywhere. A lot of sites (especially one with that name) will be blocked at work and so on. It's not that onerous - you maybe have five or six powers at 1st level and add them incrementally after that. I have a 4e character on the site and it wasn't that big a deal.
Oh pardon. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant I didn't know if folks would find needing to have both a Google account & a DDI subscription to get full functionality out of the iPlay4e site too onerous. I expect to still have the avatars to post through & I figure if you're going to do that, why not have the character sheet there as well?
As I said, I mentioned it because I thought it might be of use to some. I hadn't thought about whether it might be blocked to some.
As for the character sheet, in the Character Builder there's a text summary of the charcter you can access. Is it ok to cut & paste that as the initial basis for the character sheet here on the Paizo site? Or do you have some other format you prefer?

Eben TheQuiet |

So, who's playing what now?
Heathy - Dwarf Warlock (Striker)
Raggy - ?
Ithers - Warlord or Sorcerer (Controller)
Vatters - Half-elf Paladin (Defender)
Oldy - Druid (Controller)
Wagyuers - ?
Ebbers - ?
Put me down as Avenger/multiclass Cleric (Melee Striker with support heals). this is my initial idea, and if others want to try out strikers, i'd be happy to fill another role.
heads up, tho, neither Warlord nor Sorc is controller. they're Leader and Striker respectively.

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Put me down as Avenger/multiclass Cleric (Melee Striker with support heals). this is my initial idea, and if others want to try out strikers, i'd be happy to fill another role.
Actually, we appear (tentatively) to have the leader, controller and defnder roles covered (even if Ithers goes sorcerer, Wagyu is talking about being a bard and Eben about multiclassing into cleric). Frankly, everyone else can be a striker - it would probably not be good for speed of play if a lot of the party are defenders or something which concentrate less of firepower.