A Gossamer World (Inactive)

Game Master Rednal

So what? I'm crazy, forgot?

In all seriousness, I would welcome someone else botting me as I am reluctant to give GM's more work than they already have. But if it comes to that, you can easily have me chase a butterfly or something as punishment for none of the others coming up with something useful for me to do :)

Was waiting on Yin to 100% confirm the escape plan.

I kinda want to give this wyrm some hell before we go, nut not sure I want to die.

Let me know, Yin!

We "tested" the dragon, and next time we will be more ready.

Realistically, with the kind of speed this dragon has, I'm quite certain we could not bring it down currently. We cannot force it to stay, to give us battle, if it's too badly hurt, it could just run off at Mach-Speed and we could spend all our time even just catching up.

Would guess we should rather track it to it's lair and try there, where it cannot use it's superior agility against us. Of course, no element of surprise for us any more.

At least Marita is safe.

Tracking it to its lair is definitely the way to go.

I'm a dragon, but this is a more-badass dragon.

Out of curiosity, did any of you take anything to do with Invocation when thinking about your powers as Gossamer Lords?

@Rednal: Barrett did.

Yin has the right of it. I am the one and only Lord of Invocation: Barrett Armstrong.

Not to say that I have any idea what that stuff does besides fluff :V

Anyways I have a ton of options for tracking the Dragon once I re-prep my spells so I can take of that I think.

*Tosses popcorn into mouth* Do you want to find out? 8D

(There are two way you guys can confront this dragon after your day of planning. The first is to continue using the powers you've had until now. The second... is to use your abilities as Gossamer Lords. I've got a plan if you wanna try that route instead.)

What? More powers? Of course we'd choose that route!

Also, how many bags of popcorn have you had to pop lately?

Not enough.

The catch, of course, is that you have to decide whether or not to act as a Gossamer Lord before I tell you what you can use your powers to do. So... bit of a gamble, because it also involves losing your class abilities. On the other hand, it's probably going to end with everything else on fire. I have to cook my popcorn somehow!

I love gambling! Sign me up!

Is it all or none? As in: do we all have to do it or nobody does it?

I'm leaning towards all-or-none, if only because... well... it would have a hugely disproportionate effect on the battle, and it would probably be best for everyone to cooperate here. XD Haven't absolutely decided, though, if only because I believe you're still working on a plan and I want to see if you all come up with another plan instead.

My job is not to push you into resolving this encounter a specific way - it's just to help you understand what your (many) options are and resolve things based on what you decide to do. ^^

Well...

I'm not trying to use the "easy option" but I do want to do the Lord thing. It's kind of one of the big reasons I applied to this game in the first place.

What do you guys think?

Losing my class abilities...what does that mean, exactly?

Bloodline, spells, etc?

I spent a normal feat and my mythic feat in order to make my dragon HD count as sorcerer levels, and I'm sure others have put just as much, or more, into their class abilities.

How much, exactly, would we be losing?

Well, hmmm.

A lot of my ability to harm this dragon comes from my natural form and just straight-up punching it. I have buffs, of course, and they are nice and they help. and without class abilities i do very little damage.

but even so, as I am now, my whole ability to meaningfully damage it relies on full-attack slamming. So Gossammer mode can't hurt.

However, I got ZERO info on my gossammer powers. so that would all be made up by you, GM Rednal

Class Abilities are Class Abilities. If it's something you get as part of a class (spells, special abilities, etc.), it wouldn't be available.

...In fairness, you wouldn't be using or needing them anyway, so it's not as much of a loss as you might think. XD Basically, you'd be relying on your Gossamer powers instead of your Class ones.

Right, I just lose damage buffs and a few defensive buffs (most of my damage is gone, and a tiny bit of defense/versatility lost)

that said, all i know of my gossammer powers is that i was part of the Wrighting path

Honestly, the paths you took would be the most important part here. XD Should you choose to go this route - which, again, I stress is neither mandatory nor your only way of winning - you'll find out what that's all about.

Guys.

Let's do it.

Last time we get to play these characters, so dying isn't a problem.
I'm a freaking two-headed umbral dragon. Most of y'all are halfway able to challenge demigods as well.
I say we do it, if only to say we didn't turn back at this chance.

Now, this could be a trap, if Rednal wants us all to die a hideous death.

"Yes, Sashin, you lose all class abilities, and gain....dancing lights 3/day. Have fun!

Edit: in summary, we're all going to die.

yeah i dont have a problem doing it. i mean obviously what i did before wasnt working, and i don't really have much more up my sleeves than that.

"Class Abilities are Class Abilities. If it's something you get as part of a class (spells, special abilities, etc.), it wouldn't be available."

I have to say that purely technically seen, I'm opposed to that.
Many of you others used fancy base races or fancy templates that grant you tons of stuff completely independent from class.

I am still a nightmare creature. Which basically means I have regeneration.(while it is a both-side-of-gestalt template, I lost Fear Aura, Frightful Presence, Night Terrors, and Dream Slave, and Nightmare Magic is based on having spells in the first place...that leaves me Feign Death, Illusion Resistance, Regeneration, and a few Spell-like Abilities.)

I can no longer even see in the Dark(Oracle), affect Dreams(Bloodline 1) or Shadowstuff(Bloodline 2). My Feats are stacked on getting the second Bloodline(gone), an Improved Familiar(gone, Class ability), and Metamagic(Spells, Class Ability, gone).

Basically, I'll end up as a nude tiny baby Gossamer Lord(with 1 HD and almost no skills, and no feats.) that can do nothing except what the powers give me.

Alas, it would seem the majority is in favor, and I'll definitely not be a roadblock.
I am curious myself, but I don't want to end up as a liability, nor as a ultra-weak duplicate of Oneidros(since we both picked Umbra and are, technically, Fey, even if he would end up with 16 times my HD).

So sure, lets go ahead with it. I'll save Yin in a separate file as-is because I want to keep her.

Can I have the Eternal template if we go that route? ^_^
(One of Player Goals for Yin was to fuse her life with the Dreamstuff of her Plane, basically making her return like a Lich if she dies.)

Also, I already said in the linked post: There was too little info about Arcana, and Umbra just fit Yin infinitely better from the fluff...but if me and Oneidros would end up as duplicates and Oneidros is unwilling to swap, you can swap me. I'll trust that it'll still be fitting for her.

Since you're a caster and I'm not Arcana probably makes more sense for you. Sashin is umbra too, but that's just the party our previous DM selected.

I'm fine with going gossamer. Alternately, if folks want time to plan, I'm fine with attempting my mirror prison punch

Sounds like you're all in agreement, then... so, looking at the list Yin linked to, we've got...

Master of the Grand Stair (Travel Powers) - Sashin
Master of the Umbra (Destruction Powers) - Oneidros and Yin
Master of Wrighting (Life Powers) - Mineire
Master of Invocation (Control Powers) - Barrett

...I think I can work with this. *Rubs chin* So you're all warping to Mineire's demiplane, right? Mind sending me a writeup of the relevant details for the area so I can post you there and work on what you'll need to do to make this work?

@gyrfalcon...was more meant in that Umbra is chaos, and you actually want to restore structure, aim to get back what you lost, a memory of the past. Also your "exterior" of stones and branches seemed more like giving shape to something, creating something from the formless chaos the brambles and rocks would be otherwise. So kind of always considered you Eidolon, but thats how our impressions betray us :)

While Sashin is a Umbral Dragon, she was actually listed as Master of the Grand Stair instead.

Yin basically embodies chaos, her home highly morphic, she mad to an extent etc. But it's as you say, Arcana would definitely fit her better than you.
But I don't want to end up with a set of powers that would befit your typical Gandalf or Voldemort or Elminster or Mordenkaine...because that would utterly not be Yin.

@where are we going: We can go to one of mineires demiplane, but we should probably also go to my home at some time, as Marita and the 7 kids with her might be slightly confused about their surroundings...and I dunno how much longer I'll be able to move there freely(even if I keep my spell-like, its only between material plane and there...)

(You won't be permanently losing any of your powers. This is closer to a Wizard burning out on magical power for the day because he did a ton of casting, and needing to rest for awhile before he casts anything but cantrips.)

It's probably silly to even ask but I assume we can't take 10s on all of these checks?

You're under a time limit to get all of this stuff done, so no - unless you have class abilities permitting you to Take 10 on skills when you normally couldn't, in which case you could Take 10 on up to 2 appropriate skills.

I did, however, try to give everyone a decent balance between challenges you're likely to succeed at and ones where your best friend is going to be luck. ^^

I'm a gunslinger - grit and luck are ALWAYS on my side.

I'll make a full post when I get home from work (so in about 6 hours).

Yeah, currently on the road, so gonna wait until I get back to my computer as well.

Question- our mythic rank, is that a "class feature"?

Literally, no. For the purposes of what we're doing here, yes.

Well, crap.

There goes all of my spellcasting, unless we keep our mythic feat?
What about class-granted bonus feats?

The funny thing here, is that if we lose mythic plus class feats, all of my grappling feats are useless, I lose all spellcasting (besides 3 CL from dragon HD), but I keep my bloodline based on my dragon HD.

So, I know several higher level (2-6) level spells, and can cast none of them xD

As mentioned, this is not as important as it might sound. XD You're not going to be using that stuff anyway if you're able to successfully pull this ritual off.

Keyword "if".

Oh, by the way, we're so making this thing a dragon.
And Sashin is planning on bringing some of her ole buddy Kuthon's magic into this thing.

Hope y'all are ready!

It MIGHT be a dragon.

Or it might not be! What it is depends on how many successful rolls the five of you manage to get.

(No, seriously. There's a different result for literally every single number of successful rolls you collectively manage - ALL of them count.)

You're gonna have to how us the method you used to create this thing after we're done.
This sounds wicked cool, and I just might steal it xD

I, for one, welcome our Mechazord overlord.

oh, i found the damaged bbcode on my profile that was keeping me from opening the part about my planes more than just fluff. the library is as follows:

Library: Comprehensive book lots (+4) for Arcana, Dungeoneering, Engineering, Geography, History, Nature, Planes, Religion, Psionics
Comprehensive book lots (+4) for Arcana, Dungeoneering, Engineering, Geography, History, Nature, Planes, Religion, Psionics
Need 15,000gp to upgrade each knowledge to a +6

that said, dunno if we have time to reference all that

Yes, but they count towards the two rolls you can use some kind of boost on.

when you said we could possibly use class abilities, if powers count, could i possibly manifest Psychic Reformation to shift some skill points into the task at hand?

Yes, but you can only get improvements in up to two of the rolls you're making, and those count against the limit.

(I actually went through each profile to set the DCs. They're exactly as difficult as they are on purpose.)

Yes, but you can only get improvements in up to two of the rolls you're making, and those count against the limit.

(I actually went through each profile to set the DCs. They're exactly as difficult as they are on purpose.)

yeah, when i saw that DC for Concentration, something you cant really put ranks into, i was like

W

T

F

But, thanks for the answer, now i can include that in my narrative

It was in your skills, and I've seen some some optional systems where characters can put skill ranks into Concentration as a way of buffing it up. XD So I just rolled with it, given the way it fit for the narrative.

It was in your skills, and I've seen some some optional systems where characters can put skill ranks into Concentration as a way of buffing it up. XD So I just rolled with it, given the way it fit for the narrative.

yeah, i mean it makes sense. And i am not too mad, as the dice dropped a 20 where i needed it most (typing up my narrative now)

MFW true names

Those last two posts make me wish I was at my computer so bad.

I have a few ideas of how I'm going to fluff this up, including using a direct link to the Midnight Lord himself in her summoning of the energy required.

You'll see it when I get back to my computer!

Heading off on a three week trip (half work, half family vacation). I will have a laptop and be near wifi intermittently, but don't be surprised by gaps and feel free to DMPC as needed.

Just came home, very busy day. I like what we are doing. Will post tomorrow as I'm about ready to fall into bed and sleep 12 hours straight.

I did peek at my likely dice though just to get an idea. Without spoiling anything: Well, guess someone had to fail with all of you doing so well and getting such nice rolls.

AAAND, there we go :)

Now, just waiting if Oneidros makes it -

I love the idea of what you're doing. sounds like fun RP opportunity...but dunno when I'll get the chance. If I do before yall move on I'll post again. If not...

...

Sounds like he intends to flesh things out, and i'm really looking forward to how he handles the "Handle Animal"...(really? Handle Animal? I'm a Fey. Maybe an Outsider. Possibly a Humanoid. But definitely not an Animal. At least make it "Magical Animal")...in character.

Also, in case I do get to "drain" him for the one check, depending on wether he allows me to do so(forgoing his will save) or not, I would be more or less compliant on being "handled". :P

Either way, if Oneidros is going to deliver(even if belated), then I suppose GM can tally up the results and create Baba Yaga's frozen Rakshasa-halfdragon lovechild.

Well, if you've all posted, I think I'm going to finish up this episode of what I'm watching, then see what you managed to create. XD