Waiting on Wilhelm, Gorruum, and Pruett to respond.
"Since it's been so long, would everyone be ok with me telling what happens with the chase?"
Yeah, I think some fast-forwarded storytelling would be good.
I'm here. Fast forwarded storytelling is also ok with me. :)
I really don't want to relive the kobold sneak attack. It wasn't any fun the first time through.
So, I'll be dropping out of this. Thanks for running it, MDT. I enjoyed playing with you all. :)
I'm going to miss playing with you Anastacia :)
I'm fine with storytelling. I didn't expect to pick more than a few off anyway. Getting them to expend some of their resources is a bonus. We'll collect those caltrops and bear traps and make it tougher for them next time.
Savaged at work, should calm down tomorrow.
Also, seems we have lost Wilhelm. He's not posting in either game. :(
Thats not so good, we are loosing people fast now
:(
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Ok, so, I think we've lost Wilhelm, he's no longer posting in games.
So my question for everyone is, what would you like to do? Wilhelm and Fharn and ANastacia were the last of the originals, and we lost 2 of them.
First off Wilhelm had the map we were using, and the kingdom info, and he had it locked for editing so nobody else could edit it. Do you want to continue and rebuild? Or start over, or fast forward to get rid of him, or what?
On the one hand I'm sympathetic to people who may not want to lose all of the work and time that had gone into their characters. On the other hand I imagine it would be easier to start over, rather than try to juggle all of the baggage accumulated so far. But my opinion is skewed by being the newcomer.
What pruet said =^^=
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If we do start over. I have 2 alts i want to propose for character =^^=
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I wasn't one of the originals, I got recruited same time as you mdt :P
My personal feelings on the topic are a bit mixed. On one hand, I had great 'dreams' of this game and the lofty heights we would achieve. On the other hand, it feels sorta like that tv serie that has went on for 15+ seasons with so many changes of cast and loose threads you can't really love it anymore, despite the current cast and plot being nice, due to all the baggage.
As time progressed I find myself leaning more towards the later. I'm not sure if fast foward would help - it could by tying up all the loose ends backstage - but I know a reboot would.
So even though it pains me a bit to relinquish all that we built a clean slate might be for the best.
We'll just turn it into Game of thrones and see who is alive by the end of the AP :p
Joke aside, I'm fine with whatever we do, I like my character and might re-use bits of her if we start over, the overall idea is working but maybe by starting over she can get a deeper connection to the AP and a little different personality, she was my first pbp and I have become better to make them since she joined last year.
Ok, so it sounds like everyone wants to start over. If that's the case, what level do you want to start back over at, and what point do you want to pick up with? Level 1 Book 1? Level 2 Book 1? Level 3 Book 2?
Gestalt lvl1? ;) =^^=
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I'm completely unfamiliar with the Kingmaker AP apart from what little I played here. My vote would be Level 1, Book 1.
I've only played Kingmaker with you MDT, so I don't know much of what has happened before I joined other then what I bothered to read through :)
I can start where ever you decide
I'm not opposed to gestalt, but everyone would need to want to do it.
My personal suggestion would be Book 1 Level 2, as the AP is rather deadly for 1st level characters. If you prefer a challenge and don't mind dying, I'm fine with Book 1 Level 1.
Both fine.
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I've never played a Gestalt character, though I've read about it. My concern is that there are people out there who are looking to join games like these, but if we're playing Gestalt characters then we're filling up the player CR needs with fewer people. Just my two cents.
I'm fine with Level 2.
I never tried gestalt, always tried to join one just for the fun of trying it. But I will agree to the overall concensus for the game.
Gestalt can be fun. And even if you do have 2 classes, the Action Economy still reigns :P
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But how does it work with prestige classes?
Thats usually a GM ruling. Some say only 1 side PrC. Some say none. General idea is the PrC cant stack with the other side of the Gestalt.
Like going MT/wizard and expect them to stack so you get caster levels faster...
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ok so IF I wanted to make a ranger with wizard to go arcane archer I would have to use the ranger and arcane archer from the point where I enter it?
I can see we havn't heard anything from Gorruum on this matter yet, is he also gone?
Ah to bad, maybe I can take wizard levels where the AA don't increase caster level :p
Ah to bad, maybe I can take wizard levels where the AA don't increase caster level :p
yup, nothing stopping you to do that
since you have that idea, im thinking of going kitsune trickster/bard
It was just examples to learn how the gestalt would be working, I might want to keep with the rogue I have now, or maybe just her personality and story I kinda like playing her.
But we'll see once mdt has decided what we do and what the rules are.
I have a few other ideas. but yes, we wait patiently ;)
Ikit, does the below article pretty well cover Gestalt characters to the best of your knowledge?
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm
Pretty much. Yes
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Class Skills
Take the number of skill points gained per level from whichever class grants more skill points, and consider any skill on either class list as a class skill for the gestalt character. For example, a gestalt barbarian/bard would gain skill points per level equal to 6 + Int modifier (and have four times this amount at 1st level)
The last part here seems a little bit strange to me, does a bard then have 24 + int points or how is that meant?
No. Thats from 3.5 where you get 4x starting skillpoints. But no class bonus on skills
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That was written for D&D 3.0, where you got 4x skill points at first level. Pathfinder did away with that, that's why it sounds wonky.
It seems as if everyone wants to go gestalt, so I can do that. I'll create a new game play thread then for everyone, and you can all make your new characters in that discussion thread. I'll get it up sometime today.
I hope we didn't lose Gorruum, he is a good player. :(
Short version of Gestalt :
Gain the powers of both classes (using the best progression if they overlap on powers). Take the best skill point progression of either class. Combine all class skills from both classes. Take the best weapon proficiency combination from both classes. Take the best armor proficiency from both classes. Take the best hit die from either class.
House Rules on Gestalt :
Prestige classes only allowed on one half of the gestalt. If you intend to take a prestige class, then it's locked to the A side of your gestalt, and the B side must be only one class (IE: If you intend to go arcane archer, one side has to be a 20 level rogue (or whatever class is the other half) and the other side wizard/arcane archer for example).
Some especially effective combinations :
Sage Sorcerer/Zen Archer Monk
Life Oracle/Hospitaler-Warrior of Holy Light Paladin
Sorcerer/Oracle
I think sage sorcerer uses int, you want the wildblood version of celestial for that combo
Yep, sorry, the one that uses Wis. Empyreal.
Sage Sorcerer/Wizard is a nasty combo too, but it's very much a glass cannon.
So many options. But will wait and see for new thread =^^=
Thanks again for the effort and hard work GM =^^=
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I'll leave this one up a week or so in case Wilhelm or Gorruum comes back.
Think its time to close this one :(