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Can these two abilities work in conjunction?
Overhand Chop is pretty clear that it applies to only a single attack.
Back swing allows the same benefit for all attacks after the first.
So basically, you can get a bonus to damage on one attack, or if you use full attack, each attack after the first.
Does that seem a little odd to anyone else?
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Can these two abilities work in conjunction?
Overhand Chop is pretty clear that it applies to only a single attack.
Back swing allows the same benefit for all attacks after the first.
So basically, you can get a bonus to damage on one attack, or if you use full attack, each attack after the first.
Does that seem a little odd to anyone else?
I don't believe these feats survived to the final printing of the Pathfinder RPG. Are you still using one of the old playtest versions?
I don't believe these feats survived to the final printing of the Pathfinder RPG. Are you still using one of the old playtest versions?Can these two abilities work in conjunction?
Overhand Chop is pretty clear that it applies to only a single attack.
Back swing allows the same benefit for all attacks after the first.
So basically, you can get a bonus to damage on one attack, or if you use full attack, each attack after the first.
Does that seem a little odd to anyone else?
I assume that he's talking about the Two handed fighter archetype in APG.
I think the intent is for them to work together but the language is kinda confusing.
Overhand chop triggers on a single attack (or charge) and backhand swing triggers on a full action. The question is whether overhand chop only works on the attack action but not the full attack option. Vital Strike has been clarified to be only relevant to the attack action (thus preventing it's use on charges and full attacks) but in this case the language allows that in can be used on a charge which is not an attack action.
As such I think if you have iterative attacks you get both features but I'm not confident that I won't get my answer repudiated ;)
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They're part of the Fighter class.
A-ha! Okay then.
Then yeah, I think it's pretty clear what the intent of the abilities is. Either you front-load a bunch of damage into your single strike (at the end of a charge or maybe with Spring Attack, for example) or you get bonus damage on all your OTHER attacks when making a full attack action. Since the first swing generally has the best chance of hitting, adding the damage bonus to ALL of the swings would be a little bit on the powerful side. You either get it all up front, or you take a chance with Back Swing. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
Yar!
I'm putting my hat in the "they do not work together" pile.
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Overhand chop is only for single attacks.
That is, in a round when you only attack once.
This is you putting extra effort into that single blow.
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Backswing is for when you make a full-attack, kicking in on your iteratives.
That is more than a single attack in a round.
This is you building up momentum to devastating effect.
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At least that is my take on it. It's not full benefits all the time... it's options. ;)
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just to support pirat. read the section of types ofvactions you can take. there is a type of action called ,attack, commonly referee to as the attack action. it is a standard action. overhand chop specifically refers to this action.
backswing requires the full attack action, which is a ful round action.
Yeah, the archtype... lol.
The writing is pretty clear that they do not work together. I just thought it was a bit odd to add damage to different attacks. I don't understand the concept of adding to second, third and fourth attacks, just to make sense of calling it backhand. At high level, I think the extra couple of points (meaning adding to all attacks) really doesn't change much.
I suppose it does, lol...