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So, is the Guided weapon enchantment going to get updated for Pathfinder Rules?
Just to keep it all straight - It is not.
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Any changes to History of Ashes? While a solid adventure on its own, it did feel a bit disjointed from the rest of the AP.
Yes.
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I kind of remember Tito Leati posting some cutting-room-floor outtakes from his adventure on these boards. Have those been integrated in the hardcover?
Nope. Chapter 6 is in fact the chapter that saw the least amount of revisions. They're in there, but there's not a lot of "restored" content in this one, mostly because I'm not so sure it fits well with the direction we ended up taking with the campaign, but also because the previous chapter is SO MUCH a castle crawl that expanding Castle Korvosa more is overkill.
That said, I DID add back in a lot of content to Scarwall that was cut for space, and an even greater amount of brand new content, to make Scarwally fully detailed without empty rooms. This keeps the whole dungeon crawl experience more or less confined to that one chapter, and goes ALL OUT on it. So it made less sense to do the same in the very next chapter.
In addition, there's a section in Scarwall's chapter that provides lots of advice to GMs who want to adjust the length of Scarwall in case their table is tired of dungeon crawls and/or just wants to get back to Korvosa.
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So, is the Guided weapon enchantment going to get updated for Pathfinder Rules?
Nope.
1) The guided weapon ability doesn't really mesh well with today's Pathfinder rules design philosophy.
2) This is the MAIN reason though, and spoilering it for plot point reasons.
But it also means that Sial's ability scores shifted. His best stat is now Charisma, and his Wisdom is merely a 13. So... a weapon that lets him add his Wis mod to it is kinda pointless to him, so even if I did decide to keep the guided weapon in the adventure, he wouldn't benefit from it or have one. And rather than horn it in on someone else, and because the magic item appendix of the book is already bursting at the seams, I cut it entirely.
Keen eyed readers may note that there isn't a kyton option for an eidolon for the Unchained summoner. That changes with this book.
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I thought the Plague Doctors would work better as alchemists, I hope that change is in the AP.
The Queen's Physicians remain unchanged in build. There IS an alchemist working for the group though...
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So, is the Guided weapon enchantment going to get updated for Pathfinder Rules?Nope.
1) The guided weapon ability doesn't really mesh well with today's Pathfinder rules design philosophy.
2) This is the MAIN reason though, and spoilering it for plot point reasons. ** spoiler omitted **
Thank you, very interested in the new eidolon.
I will say that it wouldn't be too bad if it only worked to add Wis to Damage, and you still needed Guided Hand or certain monk archetypes to gain Wis to Hit.
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There IS an alchemist working for the group though...
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Spoiler:Just out of curiosity, are there any assumptions as to which AP came first for good old Ramoska, between CotCT and Carrion Crown? When I ran Carrion Crown, I made a couple of tweaks to him because one of the PCs had a backstory that would benefit from them being linked. Would it screw anything up with him if I ran this and keeps such tweaks for consistency?
But assuming he survived Carrion Crown, there's no reason why those events can't predate the ones in your Curse game.
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Pre-ordered with all the geeky joy in the world!! Thanks Paizo! I already love the new cover... can't wait to see the final version.
EDIT - If it hasn't been said already, PLEASE MAKE THAT COVER A POSTER!!
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Things I have said before that are still true:
From 2009:
The number one problem with collected APs is that our cash flow relies on constant sales of the current AP volume, and anything that we do that potentially reduces sales of the current volume is harmful to us. Not only would collecting them train some people to wait for the compilations, but it would also be creating a product that competes with the current AP for the attention of new customers. Either one of those is bad enough; taken together, the whole issue becomes a non-starter.
From 2010:
I mentioned it in the Why We Don't Reprint Thread, but I may as well repeat it here:
"The 'no reprints' rule doesn't apply to everything... and 'reinvention' is also possible. So long as it's done in a way that is as appealing as a completely new product, and doesn't train people to always wait for the reinvention."
So an anniversary edition that updates the out-of-print Rise of the Runelords to PFRPG rules is interesting. The ruleset update satisfies the requirements of reinvention to at least some degree; then, so long as we made it clear that this was a one-time exception, and that waiting for, say, a complete Kingmaker compilation would probably be fruitless, that could satisfy the "not training people to wait" rule.
From 2011, after the announcement of the Runelords compilation:
We have *no* plans to compile additional adventure paths. Keeping up sales (and especially subscriptions) of the Pathfinder Adventure Path line is crucial to our business, and if we were to make a habit of regularly compiling APs, many customers would be tempted to opt out of the ongoing series, choosing instead to wait for the compilations.
That would be, frankly, one of the worst possible things that could happen to Paizo.
I won't say we'll never ever compile another Adventure Path, but I will say it would take very very unusual circumstances for us to consider doing another one, no matter how well this one sells.
From 2013:
Allow me to give you another data point. While we rarely talk about print run sizes or sales numbers, we do, every now and then, do blog posts where we tell you which items are getting low on stock—defined as under 1000 copies—in our warehouse. [I then linked to a recent such blog post, which I won't relink since it's terribly out of date.]
From that, you might deduce the following stock levels for each volume of the AP:
Rise of the Runelords:
Sold out: 1, 3, 5, 6
Between 25 and 100 copies: 4
Between 100 and 250 copies: 2
(Total remaining copies: 125-350)
Crimson Throne:
Between 25 and 100 copies: 2
Between 500 and 1000 copies: 1, 3
More than 1000 copies: 4, 5, 6
(Total remaining copies: 4025-?)
Second Darkness:
More than 1000 copies: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
(Total remaining copies: 6000-?)
Legacy of Fire:
Between 500 and 1000 copies: 4
More than 1000 copies: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6
(Total remaining copies: 5500-?)
It doesn't take a business degree to see Rise of the Runelords is in a class by itself. It made a standout candidate for a compilation; any other AP would require a lot more justification.
Note: "More copies in the warehouse" does not directly correlate to "fewer copies sold", as print runs vary from volume to volume. But it's safe to assume that a compilation of any of these would drastically reduce the rate of sales of the current printings, so these numbers are certainly one of many factors we'd take into consideration if we were looking to compile one of them—which we are currently not.
From 2014:
I would like to be clear that we do try to avoid saying *never*. When we did the Rise of the Runelords anniversary edition, we said that it was a special circumstance—an exception to the rule—but we haven't said that there will definitely never ever be another exception. But it took 5 years to do the first one, and it's been a few years since that came out, and we're not working on one now.
And some additional comments just for today:
Reprinting APs will continue to be extremely rare. Not never, but rare enough that you shouldn't plan on any given AP ever being compiled. It has been 4 years since the last compilation, and there's no reason to expect the next to come any sooner.
Just as Runelords was when we compiled it, Crimson Throne is now almost sold out in its original form (as of our last low inventory blog in November, the first three volumes were completely sold out, volumes 4 and 5 were under 1000 copies, and volume 6 was under 500), and it benefits from being updated to the current ruleset. While a couple other APs meet one or the other of those, there are no other APs that meet both. Nobody is working on another compilation beyond Curse, and nobody will be working on one anytime soon.
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I just ordered Second Darkness #1 (AP13) for €32 & SD#2 (AP14) for €20 from amazon.
I would have ordered them from Paizo directly BUT with unknown shipping and tax costs it is too bothersome.
I wish Paizo had a european warehouse and have been saying so for years but sadly it ain't so.
Let's hope the taxes fall away one day (TTIP), then i would propably do it.
Now CotCT #2 "7 days to the grave" is the only AP of 103 issues that i don't own as a print copy and come september i'll at least have the hardcover conversion.
I wish i could get my hands on a "Guide to Korvosa" print edition but €45 is too much.
Also, my flagstore is not being able to order ANY Second Darkness issues anymore, i tried.
They may be available from Paizo directly but can't be ordered by distributors.
Something that i don't understand if more than 1000 of each remain in stock at Paizo's warehouse.
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None of the 6 Second Darkness issues are sold out. On acount of the last info 1000+ remain of each (a shame, as parts 3-5 are great, the intro and end could use some work).
Legacy of Fire #4 is SOLD OUT.
#5 & #6 are under 250 copies each.
#1 & #2 are under 1000 copies each.
If #5 (THE CITY OF BRASS) and #6 (great article on Rovagugs spawn if i remember correctly) sell out, we COULD get a hardcover in a few years.
So do yourself a favour and buy them, as the articles, Pathfinder Tales and a lot of the art WON'T BE REPRINTED in a hardcover!
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Thanks again for the transparency, Vic. (And full marks for consistency - I doubt I'd agree with very much that I was saying in 2009).
I've run this twice and have no expectation of ever running it again. It's my favorite AP though, so I'll have to grab a copy "just cos".
Really looking forward to the Scarwall enhancements - my players loved the creepy feel but the empty-room phenomenon did detract slightly from the mood from time to time. Haunts, clues and other such encounters would have been an excellent addition.
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So I expect to see a hardback AP every year to take the place of something else.
I suspect we won't see another one like this until 2019, the ten-year anniversary of Pathfinder RPG.
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Just out of curiosity... what's wrong with Paizo's watermarking system? I've never found it to get in the way at all.
Nothing other than pirates hate it. :P ;)
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Just out of curiosity... what's wrong with Paizo's watermarking system? I've never found it to get in the way at all.Nothing about the watermarks themselves bother me. However, for large PDFs, I like being able to add bookmarks, incorporate the simpler of my house rules, and make other minor edits to the PDF. Paizo's DRM prevents many forms of editing, including . IIRC, Vic or someone else from Paizo said that they couldn't allow removal or addition of bookmarks without also making it possible to alter, add, or remove other text, watermarks, and they aren't willing to give up control over our PDFs like that. And of course I can't alter the text to include my house rules in the book itself for convenience without also being able to edit the watermarks.
Depending on what you're using to view the PDFs (tablets, and whatnot), there are viewers that will let you add notes and annotations on the reader-side of things without necessarily altering the file. (And I'm pretty sure there are some that will let you add such annotations to the file itself without running into the security software, because it's just attaching things to the PDF rather than directly changing the text.)
Very happy to see that.
I can't pre order it now (huge shipping costs) but I will when it shows in EU retailers.
Question, will there be a pawns collection for that?
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Thank you for the information, Mr. Wertz.
Time to (re)buy all the Second Darkness there ever was. Hopefully, I'll be seeing you all again in another 5 years or so. ^_^
I have a special place in my heart for SD as it was the first AP I ever read. As such, I really don't see why it's so looked down on (rose tinted nostalgia goggles, I admit this). That said, I'd love a hardcover compilation, if for no other reason than to see how JJ would "fix" it.
So yes, tempted to help it sell out. ;)
Un any event, I pre-ordered this so hard. Even though I 5 books through the orginal (my GM was not happy...)
Yes! Having adventures all across Golarion is cool but I've been wanting a return to Varisia. I hope this means that there will also be a Crimson Throne set for the Adventure Card Game some time in the future. So excited!
HUZZAH! I know I'm one of the few, but RotRL didn't do much for me, hard cover or no. THIS is the one I've always been interested in. I've got all the bits, but haven't managed to play in or run it yet. Very much looking forward to the updated compilation.
WIth regard to the Guide to Korvosa, there's little reason to revise or reprint that one since it was largely a system-neutral document to begin with--which I quite like, since I've been planning to run CotCT in D&D 5E for a few months now and am just waiting to finish some other games before I undertake another AP run.
Speaking of gripes with PDFs, btw, while I totally understand the need for watermarking and protecting files, GtK was some what irksome in this regard because it was entirely player-friendly as far as spoilers go... except for one chapter they shouldn't read. I would love to be able to have a copy of the guide that omits that chapter so I can distribute it freely to prospective players, but as it stands now it's not available and I can't legitimately print a PDF copy of the non-spoilery content. Not that I don't trust my players--I just prefer to remove temptation whenever possible. =]
I just ordered Second Darkness #1 (AP13) for €32 & SD#2 (AP14) for €20 from amazon.
I would have ordered them from Paizo directly BUT with unknown shipping and tax costs it is too bothersome.I wish Paizo had a european warehouse and have been saying so for years but sadly it ain't so.
Without wanting to threadjack (Great news on the hardcover CoCT - can't wait!!), I'm also a European (UK) customer and I understand the issue.
Frankly, though, as a subscriber I find it easy enough to order additional products and sidecart them so they ship at minimal cost with everything else. I ordered the Emerald Spire Flip Map pack this month as a birthday treat and it will arrive with my sub order at a reasonable shipping cost.
Amazon is useful but generally I only catch up on Pathfinder RPG books there where the PDFs are less useful (as the PRD covers the rules).
I can't even describe how excited I am.... I got the RotRL hardcover when I was halfway through that campaign (and I'm still not finished o.O), and it was an amazing upgrade. I really want to run CotCT next, so I'm really happy this will be out before then.
Are there plans for Hero Lab and Realm Works integration? I would love to actually have all those tools right from the beginning of a campaign.
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Wait. "Updated illustrations of classic Curse of the Crimson Throne characters." Like Laori Vaus? Could this mean a mini is actually possible, now that some good art might happen?
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None of the 6 Second Darkness issues are sold out. On acount of the last info 1000+ remain of each (a shame, as parts 3-5 are great, the intro and end could use some work).
Legacy of Fire #4 is SOLD OUT.
#5 & #6 are under 250 copies each.
#1 & #2 are under 1000 copies each.If #5 (THE CITY OF BRASS) and #6 (great article on Rovagugs spawn if i remember correctly) sell out, we COULD get a hardcover in a few years.
So do yourself a favour and buy them, as the articles, Pathfinder Tales and a lot of the art WON'T BE REPRINTED in a hardcover!
I really enjoyed the Pathfinder Tale in the Legacy of Fire AP. The half-elf "water druid" was awesome!
I like her name!MORE GRAY MAIDENS!!!THIS I can do. And did. Hope you like Tisharue!
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This is amazing. I ran this a few years ago and had a blast. Will there be a Pathfinder Pawns set in the near future to go with it?
That'd be awesome. :)
I hope they manage for Laori to keep her chainmail swimsuit. :p
I hope Shattered Star, Second Darkness and one to two more of the older paths (I hope either Carrion Crown, Serpents Skull or Skulls and Shackles) go this way in a year or two. I love that you guys update them and add some new material. Great call!Don´t hold your breath for other updates. James said as much in another thread. IF this happens at all, my guess would be that it would be the remaining two 3.5 APs, nothing newer.
EDIT: ninja´d by Gorbacz (where in Poland are you anyway?)
To be honest, I'd almost want to see what they would do to Second Darkness to make it less terrible in the second part. ^^
Any changes to History of Ashes? While a solid adventure on its own, it did feel a bit disjointed from the rest of the AP.Yes.
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OMG, YES! Basically I'm like this at the moment about this. Not so much about the Fencing Grace stuff in Ultimate Intrigue, but hey, mixed blessings.
Say, it's probably too late to suggest that you replace Scarwall with Citadel Vraid? That's what I did in my first run-though of CotCT, with Scarwall basically warping in due to activation of Kazavon's artifacts and replacing Citadel Vraid, because I thought moving the campaign too far from Korvosa was a mistake. It's not as if the Hell Knights are still a factor in the campaign at this point.
Ah, it's probably a bad idea, because it would allow the PC's to return to Korvosa when there should be a time-skip until their return.
A second suggestion: The last adventure should have a more active rebellion plot before it's off to storm the castle.
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Oh well, I guess I can stop doing my conversions now. It'll be interesting to see how they stack up against JJ's.
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All I care about is scaring the crap out of my players with Chained Spirit and Danse Macabre.