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Is the Cosmic Caravan legal for PFS?

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Just ran this last night, and ran into what I presume is a small error. The Scouting The Laughing Jungle activity has Society as one of the listes skills, but Survival is not on there at all. I suspect that it got replaced by accident, as I can't really come up with a reason why Survival shouldn't be one of the skills in this activity.

Also, more generally, I strongly feel like Lore skills should have slightly easier DCs if you're trained in them to reward someone who took Jungle Lore rather than pick up the more broadly useful Nature or Survival.

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Okay. Here we go.

Name of PC: Rorgus Thousandsons
Class/Level: Warpriest 15/Barbarian 1
Adventure: Crown of Fangs
Catalyst: Queen Ileosa Arabasti
Story: Rorgus chose to bear Serithtial and personally bring an end to Ileosa's tyranny. When the Harrowed Heroes came to the Sunken Queen's pinnacle, and came face-to-face with her, he flew up to face her directly. He was skilled with a blade, but her training with the rapier exceeded his with a longsword. While he was able to land a few blows, she was able to find a way past his defenses multiple times. After a few moments, he realized how outclassed he was, and she drove the rapier through his chest, spilling his life blood. She turned to face another combatant who had flown up to fight her, so she missed that suddenly his wounds completely healed. He had drawn a Harrow card from the harrow deck of many things that would completely heal all his wounds the next time he was killed.

Name of PC: Rorgus Thousandsons
Class/Level: Warpriest 15/Barbarian 1
Adventure: Crown of Fangs
Catalyst: Queen Ileosa Arabasti
Story: With two foes facing the tyrant queen, her attention is divided, and the Heroes are able to force her to retreat. She heals some while they face the taniniver, and she returns to the pinnacle alone, facing the entire party by herself. She once again focuses her attention at Rorgus, very nearly killing him again - he is brought into unconsciousness, and floats down to the bottom of the shaft connecting the third floor and the fourth. She then turns her attention to...

Name of PC: Aerus
Class/Level: Skald 6/Dragon Disciple 10
Adventure: Crown of Fangs
Catalyst: Queen Ileosa Arabasti
Story: The half-blue dragon Shoanti warrior had been confused early in the fight, and had not been able to fully bring his attention to the Queen. However, she knew he was a threat since he had been fighting the taniniver both times it showed up. He was badly wounded when she moved over to him, and quickly slew him, dropping the party to four.

Which was quickly five again. Once of the party's familiars, a monkey named Five, had climbed down to heal Rorgus, and managed to activate a cure moderate wounds wand, bringing him barely conscious. He grabbed Serithtial for a third time, flew back up, and stabbed the blade into her back to the hilt, killing her with a single blow.

It was an epic end to the campaign.

Onto Shattered Star!

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I'd also suggest that the tie between summoner and eidolon is stronger than most teleportation effects - maybe they treat the counter check as one level worse, sort of like a reversed incapacitation effect?

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I'm also very concerned about the short timeframe of this adventure for many of the reasons above. I suppose the simplest solution is to lean in on this - have tournament officials mention that it's a grueling three-day competition, and that teams had best come prepared. I'd let them know that there will be ways to sell things this time around - the tournament has decided to find a legitimate way to handle equipment issues to avoid making it totally illegal, since previous experience has shown that making it against the rules only forces the treasure trade under the table. As proud Abadarans, they decided to make it legal and get a share of the profit!

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I did a fairly exhaustive search through Book 1 for all the teams listed, and figured others would like a cohesive list of the canon teams. There are 18 teams listed, plus the PCs, which means there's 13 teams open for GM fiat.

Winter's Roar (Lands of the Linnorm Kings outcasts)
Biting Roses (Arcadian occultists)
Speakers to the Winds (Magaambyan magic warriors)
Arms of Balance (Vudran ki elementalists)
Steps of the Sun (Minatan battle dancers)
Tino's Toughest (Quain underdogs)
Lightkeepers (well-trained Tian Xia native combatants)
Trembling Meteors (Avistani cheaters)
Lightning Callers (Osiriani archers)
Nightmares (Arcadian horseriders)
Golarion's Finest (globetrotting gladiators)
Under the Pale Sun (Casmaroni fighters)
The Ahmoza Twins (Houses of Perfection martial artists)
Glowing Embers (Avistani wizards)
Cloud Jesters (adventuring party of unknown origin)
Hana's Hundreds (Minkaian legion)
The Last Breath (Shackles light fighters)
Fallen Moon (sore losers of unknown origin)

There's also two teams that get eaten by the berberoka, but given that there's no timeline of events in this advenure, those teams could be part of the 13 undetailed teams, or two of the above that meet a terrible end.

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Having recently completed the updated Scarwall, I'd say it went over better than I hoped, but was still a slog. We hit Book 5 just as lockdown started last year, so we moved the game to Roll20 to continue to play. It took right around a year to get through it, from start to finish.

The biggest issue, besides our inexperience with online gaming, was the size of the place. It was difficult at times for my players to figure out how to get around one of the maps. Moving between them made it virtually impossible. There were a lot of fights, and most of them weren't exactly difficult.

One thing I will give kudos for are the phantasms. They're not quite as good as the haunts in The Misgivings, but they're still good. However, they had to be adapted for online play - a lot of the advice is "roll something behind your screen," or "take the player aside and tell them something." Rather than trying to figure that out, I just told whoever was affected by the phantasm that they should mark down a "Castle Scarwall notice point." They slowly accrued them as the adventure went on, and occasionally wondered aloud what they did or represented. Of course, they represented nothing beyond player paranoia.

Anyway, I learned a lot of lessons from Castle Scarwall, and Castle Korvosa is a much faster experience. In contrast of the near year it took to complete Scarwall, we are almost all the way through Castle Korvosa. Giving the players a map of the place has been a godsend - one of the players has taken to being the map guy, so they have a good idea of where they've been and where they haven't. Next time we play, they'll be fighting their way to the Queen herself.

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Name of PC: Wilhelm
Class/Level: Alchemist 15
Adventure: Crown of Fangs
Catalyst:Togomor
Story: The party had decided to tackle the Castle from the top down - their magus would teleport them all to one of the towers, and they'd start fighting their way down to the throne room where the inevitable final confrontation with the queen would occur. Things started off fairly well - their fight with Mavrokeras went well, but he did alert the castle that invaders were coming. The Red Mantis were killed, managed to discover the spirit of Venster Arabasti, and even survived the potential threats lying in the harrow deck of many things.

Then they went down to the third floor, and found a dozen Gray Maidens waiting for them. While the guards weren't a dangerous threat, enemies started appearing each round - Togomor and the Yallops arrived on round 2, and three of the erinyes in the castle appeared on round 3. It became a very confusing melee, with the dwarven fighter in the middle of the room dominating the fight with his ranseur, and others attacking around the outskirts of the fight.

However, Togomor was a dangerous foe, causing grievous harm with a round 3 horrid wilting. Wilhelm was already grabbed by one of the Yallops for blasting his brothers with a holy bomb, and managed to barely survive the dessicating spell. That next round, though, the Yallop brother dropped Wilhelm to negatives, and while he made the Fort save against Togomor's second horrid wilting, he still died.

The party had a clever plan to try to save him, though - the party magus cast dimension door to get Wilhelm next to the warpriest, and he intended to cast breath of life to try to save Wilhelm, but he absolutely biffed his concentration check. And so, Wilhelm died.

The party made a quick retreat after that, but learned that Wilhelm had a will made out - he wanted to be reincarnated, as his relationship with Laori Vaus had deepened enough that he was already thinking about the long term with her. He was no longer human, but while becoming a halfling does lengthen the time he'll have with her, it's still nothing compared to that of an elf.

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I suspect the blockage in the Suez Canal also had something to do with this one.

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In my headcanon, Volluk is not...

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...a worm that walks. Since leeches got him, he's actually a leech that lurks.

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Finally got my pdf and I am so SO stoked to run this. The shootist archetype plus the repeating hand crossbow alone is an amazing addition, but using the lenses in the final fight is a really cool mechanic, so much more than just 'i hit the monster'.

Just wanted to compliment the team on this whole AP. Otari as a town is extremely fun and I love it.

Can you tell me the rough idea of the shootist archetype and the level it's dedication is at?

You're really good with repeating hand crossbows. The dedication starts at L2.

Also, stats for repeating hand crossbows appear in this book.

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Evilthorne wrote:
A confusion spell actually worked? I think in all the years of playing a confusion spell has always been completely useless...so much in fact, when people cast it the group laughs.

The first PC death in my Rise of the Runelords campaign was due to a confusion effect. The cleric/paladin in my game failed the save, and rolled "attack nearest target," which happened to be the rogue. The cleric critted with an inflict wounds spell, and the rogue failed his save.

It took me another book to get a PC kill with one of my bad guys.

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That's probably true, Dalvyn. I went back and forth so many times on how to reword the puzzles and clues so many times that errors were bound to creep in. Thanks for the catch!

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I had an industrious night and worked up Dalvyn's puzzle for English audiences. Check out the spoiler for the translation.

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Clue 1 is now "NOLEJJKFNYMEKNLHKSFMJOUZYQLUYXVEXZUSPKUNNEEKNGHEEXAMEZJLGALMVXOLJUAZKALLSX ECOFNDUCHEFANUCXE"

Clue 2 is "...with timber."

Clue 3 is "Then, replace jkqvxz..."

Clue 4 is "First, remove flume."

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No, they've said previously that the two APs are not at all written to merge together. The job of transitioning PCs from AV to FotRF is left entirely to the GM.

As I recall, the premise is that you begin this adventure path with 11th level adventurers who have proven themselves in their prior adventures. The Abomination Vaults adventure path is just the only way to get there using only published adventures. Any home campaign that has reached 11th level would surely also qualify.

Of course, this does mean that suggested backgrounds and other character building information would be inappropriate unless the adventure path begins with some sort of opening that provides some minor retraining.

Indeed - my intent is to run Abomination Vaults first, and then have the PCs be selected by the Pathfinder Society to represent them in this year's Tournament. They will have a training montage to retrain their characters for this new AP.

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Wrin's a primal sorcerer, so she should have some signature spells. I'm leaning towards giving her charm and restoration, since those spells benefit from heightening the most.

Quick point of order: she's not a sorcerer. She's an oddities merchant. It says so right in the first line of her stat block after her traits.

The more you expect NPCs to look like PCs, the more likely you are to get confused by their stat blocks, when everything you need is right there. Wrin has primal spontaneous spells, bloodline focus spells, and blood magic, but that doesn't mean she's missing anything a PC sorcerer would have (like signature spells). Because she's not a sorcerer.

Wrin also doesn't have the 30 foot base speed an elf PC would have, nor does she have the darkvision a tiefling elf PC would have. None of that is wrong.

We take from existing rules to give a specific feel to NPCs (such as by giving an NPC Nimble Dodge, Sneak Attack, and Surprise Attack to make it "feel" like a rogue), but we're not locked in to any mandated abilities.

I hit this point hard and often, because I know our GMs also create NPCs from time to time, and I don't want to think they've somehow failed for including some class-like abilities but not others. We're not locked into this, and neither are you!

Can you add some signature spells to Wrin? Sure! But you don't have to.

That is a fair point, and one I do forget from time to time. Quite a bit of unlearning from 1e, for sure. I think that giving her signature spells gives her additional assistance to the party, so it's worth a little extra difficulty.

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Wrin's a primal sorcerer, so she should have some signature spells. I'm leaning towards giving her charm and restoration, since those spells benefit from heightening the most.

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Related - does the evoker Focus Power force bolt count as a magic missile for the purposes of getting past a wisp's magic immunity? By a strict RAW reading, the answer is no, as a wisp is only vulnerable to magic missile. I'm leaning towards yes, since the difference between the two spells is so small as to be insignificant, but it's a strange corner case that should probably be take into consideration.

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I'd probably change it so Nhakazarin is either quickened on her next turn, or she gains an additional action that can only be used this round to make a jaws Strike or Cast a Spell. The former is more powerful, but comes at a delay, while the latter is immediately useful but ends up being a one-shot heal with no action loss. Both could be quite good.

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My current plan is to have the PCs as new Pathfinders that have been sent to Otari as a favor to the retired agents that live there. Things have been busy in the town of late (see Beginner Box/Troubles In Otari), and when they get reports of weirdness at the Gauntlight, they respond by sending some green recruits to respond. They arrive in Otari, meet a few people, learn the situation, and eventually head off to Gauntlight.

Eventually, this will lead into the Ruby Phoenix Tournament AP, as the Pathfinders have to defend their title against those who wish to claim it, and since the Otari heroes have impressed the Decemvirate, they're the ones that get chosen to represent the Society.

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Cool! I'd definitely reward the PCs with some additional knowledge since they put the clues together on what's going on, while making sure they still have to rely on the Sun Shaman's vision to fill in the blanks. Something that involves Amarund returning to the Storval Plateau with Midnight's Teeth, and securing it in the Grand Mestaba. Followed by an unbroken line of Sun Shamans from her to the current one.

And maybe once the Sun Shaman performs his ritual, he informs them that Amarund knows they're following in her footsteps, and warns them to beware her fallen comrade, Mandravius.

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No lie, Eric, I had the same thought. "Yep, must be Thursday."

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I recently ran a four player group through a quick adventure using both the magus and summoner. Since I figured many people would be doing L1 builds I went a bit higher and had people make L5 characters. The magus player made a human Sustaining Steel magus, and used her spell slots for Longstrider, Mirror Image, Haste, and Shockwave. The summoner made an angel summoner, supplementing his limited magical healing with the Medic archetype. To fill out the table, one player made an L5 rogue, and the other just used the L5 Valeros pregen.

I used what I believe to be a pretty robust test of the party - four encounters, one rated Low, two rated Moderate, and one rated Severe. For an excuse plot, I had them tracking down the Son Of Freezemaw, and all of the encounters were wintry.

Combat 1 was against two frost trolls (Low 5). Though they're rated at L4 monsters, they punch above their weight class, as I got off a Rend on Valeros. By the end of this first fight, the summoner had already used half of his spells just keeping people up. Valeros did 65 damage over three rounds (DPR 21.6), the eidolon did 110 due to two crits on the final round but missed entirely during round 3 (DPR 27.5), and the magus did 0, as her first round was buffing and she missed with her Striking Spell and ranged attacks in rounds 2 and 3 respectively. I don't have data on the rogue's numbers, but considering the rogue is not being tested this seems less of an issue. I can say that his rogue also had the alchemist dedication and brought alchemist fire to the party, which did off the trolls once they were down.

Combat 2 was against two winter wolves (Moderate 5), which proved less of a problem for the party. The wolves were trying to flank the party, but only one succeeded. Valeros did 49 damage during this fight (DPR 16.3), the magus did 26 damage (DPR 8.6), and the eidolon did 55 (DPR 18.3). It should be mentioned that the magus also tripped one of the wolves during round 1 rather than attack, so they were more effective in the combat than their numbers should suggest. By this point, the summoner was down to a single spell.

Combat 3 was against two ice golems (Moderate 5). This was somewhere between the prior two encounters in difficulty, but this was the magus' moment to shine. Valeros did 48 damage (DPR 16), the magus did 85 (DPR 21.25), and the eidolon only did 27 (DPR 9). The magus did miss with her first Striking Spell, but critically hit on the next two rounds, creating the damage spike that 1e magi are known for. By this time, the summoner was out of spells, and they still hadn't faced the dragon.

Combat 4 was against the Son of Freezemaw - or, as the players would find out, the SONS of Freezemaw! They fought two young white dragons, one straight out of the book, and the other a spellcaster. Tactics were simple - brawly dragon would let them come to him and fight, while casty dragon waited for them to go into the cave from above and invisible, dropping down at the start of round 2. By a stroke of luck, the dice were with the party this fight - I couldn't really cause much damage to them, as they were rolling quite well and I was missing something fierce. I believe I missed Valeros with a full Draconic Frenzy suite twice on two consecutive rounds! Valeros did 125 damage (DPR 25), the magus did 57 (DPR 14.25), and the eidolon did 90 (DPR 22.5).

I'll be tagging the magus and summoner players to chime in here with their experiences, but they reported that they enjoyed playing the classes. The Sustaining Steel magus does look weak on paper, but being able to get temp HP does help with the longevity of the class in a fight. Eidolons are strong, but the summoner themself doesn't have many ways to participate built into the class, so you might need to look outside for ways to shore up needs in the party. The side effect of the exceptionally limited spell slots for both meant that the summoner makes for a poor main healer in game, and the magus is likely to choose spells that buff them rather than lose spells due to the way Striking Spell currently works.

We do hope to have one more playtest before the window closes, this time at a much higher level, somewhere in the 12-13 range. I'll report back if we sneak that in.

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In addition to going from August 2020's releases and backwards, you might also wish to prioritize the maps that were included in the PF2 Humble Bundle. I know a lot of people bought into that, so including JPGs of those would make running the PFS Quests included there even more streamlined for use.

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UGH. I wrote up the skeleton of my character, got most of the choices done beyond picking skills and equipment, and was trying to edit the character when I accidentally selected Delete instead.

I'll start again tomorrow, but I can say this much - I have created a silicart psychic. From the future. More later.

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Hey there! Thanks for the invite, DM, and my apologies for dragging my feet. I've glanced over everything and there's a lot of cool stuff going on here. I'm leaning towards a psychic, since I haven't done much with that class, but even that is up for revision. I'll probably make some more concrete decisions in the next day or so.

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And so ends the Eight Year Labor! I had to see how long we've been playing this, and it looks like most of us started in March of 2012. Thank you, Bigrin, for putting up with us for all these years and helping push us through to the end of Second Darkness!

Re: Aebliss game. I'm down for it! I wouldn't mind continuing on with you all.

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I just learned today that electrons have mass. I wasn't even aware they were Catholic.

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Not gonna lie, I laughed for quite a bit at the brilliance behind the phrase "embri luchador." Well played!

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The adventure can definitely play out with Gaedren surviving. It's not likely, naturally, but if enough characters want to take him alive, then it's a non-zero chance. Case in point, one of the background traits involves clearing the name of someone wrongfully imprisoned for one of Lamm's crimes. Dead men can't acquit someone - not easily anyway - so it's possible that a PC with that background might convince the rest to stay their hands and keep him alive until he confesses to the Guard.

That said, once they take him out of the fishery, they're in for a rude shock - the city's gone to Hell, and the guard likely won't be able to immediately process him. What do they do with him? Where do they go? Does he try to escape? All sorts of fun stuff there!

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We just played through this set of quests in our home group, and had the misfortune of having only 4 players. I concur with Poit - Q4 needs a 4 player adjustment badly. The shortcomings of the Pegasus are well-known by this point, and we couldn't punch through the enemy ship's shields. We ended up letting them escape once we were at half HP and almost no shields, and they were sitting pretty at full HP and basically full shields.

Part of the problem, I believe, is that they made the enemy ship a bit too good. Two enemy gunners is rough - it means that the captain action to debuff gunnery is half as effective, since the gunners would have to do push actions less often. Additionally, I loathe the fact that enemy ships replenish shields in combat - starship combat is already a death spiral, and low tier ships do so little damage that a single hit is often replenished in a single round. The ship that punches through shields and creates the first critical hit is likely to be the ship that wins, which is why you see the Drake get chosen nearly exclusively at SFS tables.

So, how to fix this in scaling for 4 players? The usual practice of giving the baddies a -2 doesn't seem appropriate here, since the problem is more with the fundamentals of the fight rather than scaling. I'd look at reducing the number of gunners to one, and maybe even suggest that the Cult of the Destroyer admires entropy so much that their engineer doesn't bother with replenishing shields. If the party is successful at convincing the skittermander to abandon the Cult, then maybe part of the solution is that the party is able to pick up the missing engineer before battle begins, freeing up someone to fulfill another ship role.

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I'm a little confused about how the PC's are supposed to perceive the Quagmire/Treacherous Quagmire. Is is assumed that the hazards are hiding using their Stealth bonus and the PC's that are Seeking during Exploration Mode get a secret check to notice it?

This seems to be the best way to run it unless I am missing something.

Agreed - if there's someone in the party who is Seeking, and they beat the DC, then they've spotted the quagmire before anyone falls into it. If not, then the quagmire activates as its statblock states.

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If someone has spotted the Hazard, to what end would they go to the trouble to Disable it?

Rereading this, I'm pretty sure I ran this wrong - I just had the party go around it. In retrospect, what I think happens is that if someone spots it, they see tell-tale signs that they're about to walk into it, and can stop everyone from falling victim to it unawares. After that, someone can try to make a Survival test to show exactly where the border between the quagmire and safe treading is, and walk around it.

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If a group were making their way through the area where this Hazard was located and the person(s) who were Seeking missed it on their secret checks would everyone fall victim to the Hazard or would the first person in marching order fall in and everyone else immediately stop moving [assumes a single file]? ...or would you use the marching order and arrange it so that the first in a line/area fell in?

I had people create a marching order and explicitly went over the Exploration mode activities. That portion of the game is new to most old hands, so making it clear what options players have is a good refresher, and also makes it clear what everyone's doing while things are happening. Assuming that all PCs that are Seeking miss the quagmire, then whoever is in the lead sinks into the quagmire - possibly more, if they are going two abreast!

I'm pretty sure the intention is not to spring the quagmire on the entire party - narrative quicksand is all about the people on the outside trying to save the people on the inside.

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My party just encountered Cinnabar, and did in fact manage to get through to her. They know most of her story now, and Ishani is taking it upon himself to help rehabilitate her after his own conversion to Sarenrae's faith. I'm currently debating a romance between the two of them off-screen to add extra weight to his eventual terrible fate.

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I believe I had the same issue when it came to this as well. My solution was to have them interact with the Pathfinder Society lodge in Magnimar, and agree to chaperone some agents into Thistletop for research. After all, there's not many known Thassilonian ruins that are more or less safe to explore that haven't been explored already. Also, it helps set up that the Society is a thing in the world, and that they aren't necessarily adversarial to the party. Indeed, in my campaign, the Society treated the party respectfully - they were exponentially growing in power, and the Society rightfully reasoned that it was better to stay on their good side. Besides, they seemed to keep stumbling across Thassilonian ruins, so being in the party's good graces would probably end up paying dividends later on down the road - and by Shattered Star, that's definitely the case!

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As per the prequel webfiction, one of the Feather-Fall Five is named Odvi Kanbali. Probably should be the last one on your list, as she's only 12, and is likely the youngest performer.

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I'm planning on having a Chapter 0 where the PCs meet all the NPCs the night before the performance en route to Abberton, and they get to know all of them before things get rolling. It also helps give weight to the murder - now the ringmaster isn't just a dead man, it's the guy that gave them a shot in his circus.

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Thanks! I swear I read through that portion, but I just couldn't find it to save my life.

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For the Caustic Wolf's jaw Strike, if it is successful do I have to expend another action to do Knockdown or is it all done in one action?

A bit late, sorry (I came here since I am running this in PbP and killed one PC and have another who might die now... out of a 4 PC party, all this vs. the Bloodlash Bushes. But it seems no one else had problems there).

Seems it is one action to use Knockdown, which automatically puts the target prone.
Knockdown
You have to have a successful Jaws strike just before (it does not specify that this is in the same round, could carry over to next round?).
Awesome! Thank you!

Yep, Knockdown requires an action. Improved Knockdown does not.

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Quick non-mechanical question - roughly how many wagons are in Bort's caravans? There's at least two, since the PCs ride along in the "last wagon," implying there's a first. I'm thinking three, since Bort is a moderately successful legitimate businessman (and whether he's a successful illegitimate businessman is left to your discretion), so I can't imagine it much larger than three.

Any thoughts?

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This brings up something I hadn't really pondered until now - primal casters are more welcome in Rhahadoum than divine casters, meaning druids get a pass that clerics don't. I don't anticipate that being a distinction every Pure Legionnaire to make, but it's a distinction that didn't exist before 2E.

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Name of PC: Raza
Class/Level: Rogue 10 (Carnivalist)
Adventure: A History of Ashes (Mantis and Maiden)
Rules Set: PF1
Catalyst: Catoblepas
Story: After returning to Korvosa, the Harrowed Heroes made contact with the nascent rebellion, and learned of their ploy - Guildmaster Boule, head of the Cerulean Society, has arranged for a heavily ciphered document to fall into the hands of Kordaitra Destaid. That document was a ruse, but it was strongly ciphered enough to ensure that the second-in-command of the Gray Maidens would be in the Longacre House, so that a strike team could enter from the sewers, fight through their defenses, and strike a blow against the Despot Queen.

The Harrowed Heroes didn't even get that far before they ran into trouble. They ran into the catoblepas staked outside the secret entrance into the building, and half of them fell prey to its toxic breath. Riescu and Aurus were able to weather the effects of the poison, though both of them were in no shape to continue forwards that day. However, Raza, their halfling rogue, could not - while she struggled for health, the catoblepas' breath was too great, and she fell in the aftermath of that fight.

With one of their number dead and two severely weakened, they retreated to the Dead Warrens, preparing to use some of their wealth to restore Raza to life.

Catoblepas poison is ROUGH. 3 consecutive saves is basically saying you're going to take this 1d6 Con damage and like it.

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With regards for the other First Seeker candidates - will they be showing back up as Venture Captains or some such in future stories?

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I suspect the possibility of addiction to Vilree's drugs was skipped over for a few reasons, not the least of which is that the addiction rules didn't exist when Jason wrote the adventure. It's a good idea, though.

I'd probably ask a PC who drinks one of the laced potions to make a Fort save against her class DC. They only become addicted on a crit fail, and something bad happens on a failure - maybe Stupefied 1 for 10 minutes or something.

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Meadow lark wrote:

the locate spell states

If there’s lead or running water between you and the target, this spell can’t locate the object.

The Unrelenting Observation spell states
The tracking creatures can see the tracked creature or
object through all barriers other than lead or running water,
which block their vision.

but it does not seem to be just mentioned elsewhere in the game - so based on that info, running water and any amount of lead blocks Scrying and Divination magic - which is interesting to note.

so a magic sword, sitting on the floor behind a waterfall - is undetectable lol

I'm not sure I agree with that inference. Sure, that's how those particular spells work, but I don't think you can extrapolate how all detection spells work based on those individual spells. It'd be like saying "these three spells with the Fire trait set targets on fire if they crit fail, so all Fire trait spells do that."

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Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
I think a bag of holding should not be an "I win" option to solve issues within a scenario, though at the same time I would not want to suggest that the final encounter should burst said bag with all the consequences usually attached to that.

Yeah, I had the final encounter pull the Scale out of the bag of holding the party obtained in a previous encounter, box and all. I figure that it's an artifact, so it can cheat if it wants.

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Meadow lark wrote:

and yet the scale was inside a box that was lined with lead that from what the text says stoped or limited the effects - to overrule this they have stated that the lead has shaken loose.

So mundane metal can block it but an extradimensional space can't? it smells to me like this is a massive oversight that has no in game answer - thankyou for your advice I am defiantly going to take it onboard.

Personally, I read that bit as "enough lead has shaken loose for detect magic to pick it up," not "enough lead has shaken loose for the Scale to work its misfortune effects." I agree, mundane metal probably shouldn't be able to prevent an artifact from doing its job.

Fun fact - I can find no reference in detect magic that lead stops an aura. That may be an artifact (no pun intended) of edition change, as from what I can tell, the only thing that stops detect magic is the range and line of effect. It's entirely possible by RAW that an artifact cannot be detected with detect magic if it's in a box. I won't swear to that, as my system mastery is spotty at the moment, but it's probably another weird corner case that has occurred since we're currently keeping two editions in mind.

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I just ran this adventure on Saturday at Tier 3-4, and the players did in fact put everything that could reasonably fit inside the bag of holding. That's basically everything but the statues and some other items, but notably not the ebony box in question.

Since we're talking about the item, let me put the relevant bits here:

Archives of Nethys wrote:


Though it appears to be a cloth sack decorated with panels of richly colored silk or stylish embroidery, a bag of holding opens into an extradimensional space larger than its outside dimensions. The Bulk held inside the bag doesn’t change the Bulk of the bag of holding itself. The amount of Bulk the bag’s extradimensional space can hold depends on its type.

You can Interact with the bag of holding to put items in or remove them just like a mundane sack. Though the bag can hold a great amount of material, an object still needs to be able to fit through the opening of the sack to be stored inside.

If the bag is overloaded or broken, it ruptures and is ruined, causing the items inside to be lost forever. If it’s turned inside out, the items inside spill out unharmed, but the bag must be put right before it can be used again. A living creature placed inside the bag has enough air for 10 minutes before it begins to suffocate, and it can attempt to Escape against a DC of 13. An item inside the bag provides no benefits unless it’s retrieved first. An item in the bag can’t be detected by magic that detects only things on the same plane.

So, while the text is clear that an item inside the bag provides no benefits, it is somewhat looser in determining whether it causes drawbacks, such as what the Scale does in this adventure. As Gary mentions, dealing with the effects of this item is the crux of the adventure, and probably should not be so easily avoided by a L4 item. In fact, the mod calls out the Scale as an evil artifact. While we'll get full rules for artifacts in the Gamemastery Guide, I think it's safe to assume that such minor magic as the bag of holding isn't enough to avoid the detrimental effects of such a powerful item.

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That's what I ended up getting for the answer as well, Pastiche. As it happens, I don't believe the answer to this particular piece of the puzzle matters as much, once you consider the metapuzzle can be correctly answered regardless how this piece is answered.

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Well, that's amusing. I clearly got one of the answers wrong, then, though not enough that it threw off the rest of the answer.

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Rejected Subtitles for Season 2 include:

Knights of Everflame 2: Electric Benevolence
KoE2: 2 Night, 2 Flamious
KoE2: Get Lucky
KoE2: It Came From Snek Lek
KoE2: Divine Judgement Day
KoE2: Ever Flamier
KoE2: The Vampire Strikes Back

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