Guide 6.0 and Changes to Pathfinder Society Organized Play

Yay!

Aw yiss

Oh snap, no Divine Protection!

Pretty okay with that. ;)

What is the Quick Start Guide? The link took me to the regular Guide to OP.

Yay!

I'm unclear from the wording in the guide, however, if we keep faction-based vanities when we use our free change, or only if we change to the corresponding new faction.

*thumbs up at entire team for getting it all done and shiny*

I would like to note formally, that our Guide to PSOP is now the size of Pathfinder Campaign Setting Book. That says and means something.

Additionally, I love the art, still wishing we had a printer friendly version. I feel my printer groaning at all the ink I am about to burn.

Is there a changelog available for the other non-listed changes?

The circuitry theme burrrrns. :)

For additional resources, i love the "its available on a chronicle sheet" heads up. Thank you!

Sounds good! My printer will gladly burn through ink for this.

Two small Additional Resource notes.
- Under Blood of Fiends it says that Aasimar characters are not legal for play. Assume this is just a cut and pasta error.
- Under Advanced Race Guide, kitsune, nagaji, and wayang are still listed as requiring a chronicle to play, while Tiefling and Aasimar are not noted as such.

Sounds good! My printer will gladly burn through ink for this.

- Just a note, in the additional resources under Blood of Fiends it says that Aasimar characters are not legal for play. Assume this is just a cut and pasta error.

Mmm...pasta!

Sounds good! My printer will gladly burn through ink for this.

Two small Additional Resource notes.
- Under Blood of Fiends it says that Aasimar characters are not legal for play. Assume this is just a cut and pasta error.
- Under Advanced Race Guide, kitsune, nagaji, and wayang are still listed as requiring a chronicle to play, while Tiefling and Aasimar are not noted as such.

Yes, it should read that Tiefling characters are not legal for play without a Chronicle sheet. Thanks for pointing out the ARG entry. We will get it fixed.

Sad to see that stars don't refresh.

Edit: And amused that consuming the souls of slain creatures is still allowed, but a little bit of blood isn't.

Arcanist is listed as having their item crafting bonus feat as listed as not legal for play. I obviously don't have a copy of the book yet but is there meant to be something that replaces that feat, or do they have a choice of other feats that they can take?

No offense guys, but what happened to the Liberty's Edge faction logo? Someone had to do it in MS paint?

Wonderful. Looking forward to working through it.

:-)

Arcanist is listed as having their item crafting bonus feat as listed as not legal for play. I obviously don't have a copy of the book yet but is there meant to be something that replaces that feat, or do they have a choice of other feats that they can take?

It's an exploit they can take. You just can't take that exploit in PFS.

Some typos in the faction section. (The second place I went to)

Dark Archive header reads 'Dark Archives'

Tahnikepsu vs Tahonikepsu in the scarab sages section (and sad to see she's 'outed' as a dragon in the faction write up)

When you correct the Aasimar-Tiefling typo, can you add a cut-off date to the requirement for aasimars & tieflings to have a chronicle sheet as you have on other grandfathered things in the guide? (so that a blog entry isn't needed to interpret the Additional Resources).

-TimD

YAY! New Guide!

First, whatever that thing is on page 34, my bard wants it!

Second, need to revise "Adapting Seasons 0-4" on Page 33 to reflect the new factions.

No more Pageant of the Peacock shenanigans, at least that is one less headache to try to adjudicate.

Just a quick question:

Let's say you switch to the Dark Archive Faction. Clearly they do not have any vanities listed (unless a new field guide is coming out). Does that character simply get access to the Cheliax vanities in the field guide?

Huzzah!

When you correct the Aasimar-Tiefling typo, can you add a cut-off date to the requirement for aasimars & tieflings to have a chronicle sheet as you have on other grandfathered things in the guide? (so that a blog entry isn't needed to interpret the Additional Resources).

-TimD

All changes and corrections will be made after Gen Con since I'm already on the way to Indianapolis and responding from 33,000 feet in the air.

Just a quick question:

Let's say you switch to the Dark Archive Faction. Clearly they do not have any vanities listed (unless a new field guide is coming out). Does that character simply get access to the Cheliax vanities in the field guide?

Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction

page 18.

Removed a post. Paizo doesn't hate fun. We keep things out that don't fit PFS play. Luckily, you can enjoy that option in a home game.

As I'm pondering a character or two making a switch one paragraph has me doing the backfoot headscratch

You retain
your faction traits, if any, but lose any faction-specific
Prestige Awards you have accumulated during your time
with your old faction; generic Prestige Awards from
Table 5–4 and Vanities (Pathfinder Society Field Guide 60)
are unaffected.

What "faction-specific Prestige Award" isn't a vanity? Can you ditch the exchange and keep the 10% discount card.

I believe you keep your old faction boons from chronicle sheets as well right?

One of Turkey—Istanbul's VLs seems to be cloned near the end of the guide.

Fearspect wrote:

Just a quick question:

Let's say you switch to the Dark Archive Faction. Clearly they do not have any vanities listed (unless a new field guide is coming out). Does that character simply get access to the Cheliax vanities in the field guide?

Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction

vanities and mission boons available in past seasons.
Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax
rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as
Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon
that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities
or boons.

page 18.

Thankee BNW. I was posting on Vanities but it got Et. Thanks for pointing that out

What date can we expect the website to be updated to transition our character icons to those of the new Factions?

I ask because I'll be running and reporting a game this Thursday, and I'm hoping I can have the players (and myself) update their Factions accordingly.

As I'm pondering a character or two making a switch one paragraph has me doing the backfoot headscratch

You retain
your faction traits, if any, but lose any faction-specific
Prestige Awards you have accumulated during your time
with your old faction; generic Prestige Awards from
Table 5–4 and Vanities (Pathfinder Society Field Guide 60)
are unaffected.

What "faction-specific Prestige Award" isn't a vanity?

I believe you keep your old faction boons from chronicle sheets as well right?

I think "generic" modifies both "Prestige Awards" and "Vanities", rather than only "Prestige Awards".

That is, you get to keep:
"generic Prestige Awards" and
"[generic] Vanities"

Rather than:
"generic Prestige Awards" and
"Vanities"

Does that help?

Nope.

Still a little bit of confusion on Languages.

Pg. 8: Tian characters receive the languages Tien and Common for free.

Does that mean all Tien characters no matter the race?

Hm, then maybe I don't understand your question.

Still a little bit of confusion on Languages.

Pg. 8: Tian characters receive the languages Tien and Common for free.

Does that mean all Tien characters no matter the race?

I'm still a bit confused on this too. Would a Tian-Min character, for example, get Minkaian as well or just Tien?

Still a little bit of confusion on Languages.

Pg. 8: Tian characters receive the languages Tien and Common for free.

Does that mean all Tien characters no matter the race?

If that's not what it means, then it's highly redundant; that section already says everyone gets Common, and all the Tian ethnicities already get Tien...

Dragnmoon wrote:

Still a little bit of confusion on Languages.

Pg. 8: Tian characters receive the languages Tien and Common for free.

Does that mean all Tien characters no matter the race?

I'm still a bit confused on this too. Would a Tian-Min character, for example, get Minkaian as well or just Tien?

The Additional Resources entry for the Dragon Empires Gazetteer explicitly states that the ethnicities in that book, including Tian-Min, grant all the languages they list. That means your Tian-Min character would gain both Tien and Minkaian by virtue of ethnicity, and would be granted Common by viture of The Guide Says So.

We already had a thread on the Tien language thing, and I don't think it's changed. We agreed in that thread (without any feedback from anyone at Paizo) that anyone from the continent of Tian Xia gets Tien as a bonus language, regardless of race. Humans still get their ethnic bonus language, too (ie Minkaian for Tian-Min).

Neongelion wrote:

Dragnmoon wrote:

Still a little bit of confusion on Languages.

Pg. 8: Tian characters receive the languages Tien and Common for free.

Does that mean all Tien characters no matter the race?

I'm still a bit confused on this too. Would a Tian-Min character, for example, get Minkaian as well or just Tien?

The Additional Resources entry for the Dragon Empires Gazetteer explicitly states that the ethnicities in that book, including Tian-Min, grant all the languages they list. That means your Tian-Min character would gain both Tien and Minkaian by virtue of ethnicity, and would be granted Common by viture of The Guide Says So.

All right, good to know. I understand there was a big debate on this exact topic not too long ago, hence the confusion.

We agreed in that thread...

Speak for yourself.

The area that denotes what factions are used for which in earlier seasons are still using the old factions and mentioning the retirement of Lantern and Shadow Lodge. I would think the new factions would need to be correlated. Right now it lists Silver Crusade (Andorian), Sczarni(Taldor) and Grand Lodge (Osirion). No mention of other factions.

I know that the Grand Lodge and Silver Crusade is still around, but Sczarni is now folded into The Exchange and there are no mention of where the other factions would go.
I would guess it was in the middle of editing when put on the page.

Page 12 talks about:

Cooperate: The Society places no moral obligations upon its members, so agents span all races, creeds, and motivations. At any given time, a Pathfinder lodge might house a fiend-summoning Chelaxian, a Silver Crusade paladin, an antiquities-obsessed Osirian necromancer, and a friendly Taldan raconteur. Pathfinder agents, no matter which of the eight factions they belong to, are expected to respect one another’s claims and stay out of each other’s affairs unless offering a helping hand.

We are down to seven factions. New players might get confused about that.

Fromper wrote:

We agreed in that thread...

Speak for yourself.

You'd do better at convincing people of your point if you gave a good argument reconciling it against the Additional Resources for Dragon Empires Gazetteer...

Not trying to be snarky or anything, just trying to recommend a starting point.

Also, it is mentioned that all character in PFS do get Common, dispite what is in the book. (Using races from the splat books, they do not have Common as a starting language)

Edit: And amused that consuming the souls of slain creatures is still allowed, but a little bit of blood isn't.

Can I interest you in a grim lantern?

If that's not what it means, then it's highly redundant; that section already says everyone gets Common, and all the Tian ethnicities already get Tien...

Just seems odd to make that one exception for that one region when all other regions if you come from it you only get the region language if you use a skill point or have the ethnicity.

Why allow a Dwarf coming from Tien to get Tien for Free but not allow a Dwarf coming from Osirion to get Osiriani for free?

Do I read this right:
If I want to play "The Paths we choose" with my Taldan fighter he cannot participate in any other scenario until I play The Paths we choose?
Or if I play another scenario he won't play The Paths We Choose as a member of the Taldor faction, but rather as a member of the Sovereign Court (or whatever) faction?
(Maybe this is explained in the scenario itself, but I did not buy it yet...)

Nefreet wrote:

Fromper wrote:

We agreed in that thread...

Speak for yourself.

You'd do better at convincing people of your point if you gave a good argument reconciling it against the Additional Resources for Dragon Empires Gazetteer...

Not trying to be snarky or anything, just trying to recommend a starting point.

I did, you simply disagreed with me. And I you. We are at an impasse.

I believe the wording in the Guide trumps the Additional Resources, and you believe it's the other way around.

Not your fault or mine. It's unclear until it's ruled on. Though I believe, since the Guide's stance on the matter did not change, that it further shows Tian characters only get Common and Tien, since they had the opportunity to change it.

SCPRedMage wrote:

If that's not what it means, then it's highly redundant; that section already says everyone gets Common, and all the Tian ethnicities already get Tien...

Just seems odd to make that one exception for that one region when all other regions if you come from it you only get the region language if you use a skill point or have the ethnicity.

Why allow a Dwarf coming from Tien to get Tien for Free but not allow a Dwarf coming from Osirion to get Osiriani for free?

Because it's so separated from the rest of the world that it's practically a separate campaign setting, to the point where it has its own separate "common" language, whereas Osirion is still well within the Inner Sea region, and Taldane (aka "Commmon") is still widely spoken there.

So is the included ITS now required or can we continue to use our individually designed ones (i.e. - an expendable/ammunition exclusive sheet)?