Remastered Books after Treasure Vault

[Baelor the Bard]

Hi all,
I'm glad to see that some of the OGL sourcebooks are getting the remaster treatment, such as Guns and Gears and Treasure Vault. I was wondering if it's possible to get some clarification on if or when other titles will get this treatment? I've heard that it has to do with when books get re-printed, but I don't know more than that. Is there any information on this process? Is it only the rulebooks, or will the Lost Omens titles also get remastered eventually? I'd be willing to bet that APs probably won't unless they get a hard cover version, but if there's any other information available on this process I'd love to read up on it. My hope is that Secrets of Magic, Book of the Dead and Dark Archive will all be done, as well as the Lost Omens books that have a large number of character options like Character Guide, Ancestry Guide and PFS Guide. I have heard that SOM might be tricky because the part of the book with spell schools basically needs to be entirely scrapped. Anyway sorry for rambling. If there's any other info to be had on this topic I'd be very interested.

[moosher12]

Seconded, if Paizo has said anything on the matter. I'd love to see.

[BotBrain]

My understanding is that remasters are being done on an "as needed" basis, taking the place of what has been a regular reprint.

[YuriP]

Paizo has already said this at the beginning of the remastering process.

The plan is to remaster books as physical stocks run out and they need new printings. At these times, they plan to review and remaster the book in question, reprinting it with the ORC license.

That's why this process may seem a bit irregular (with Treasure Vault being remastered before G&G, for example). But in the long run, unless a book's sales have been so bad that it's stuck in stock for the rest of the system's life, all books should get a remastered version.

[Baelor the Bard]

YuriP wrote:

Paizo has already said this at the beginning of the remastering process.

The plan is to remaster books as physical stocks run out and they need new printings. At these times, they plan to review and remaster the book in question, reprinting it with the ORC license.

That's why this process may seem a bit irregular (with Treasure Vault being remastered before G&G, for example). But in the long run, unless a book's sales have been so bad that it's stuck in stock for the rest of the system's life, all books should get a remastered version.

You know, I'm totally blind so I use all digital resources for accessibility reasons. I always wondered what triggered a reprint. Of course it makes perfect sense that it depends on when the current printing runs out of stock but I just never thought of it. I'm guessing that probably won't include the original CRB/APG, GMG and Bestaries though. Honestly wouldn't mind if some of the variant rules from GMG that didn't make it into GM Core like managed to find a home in some other book.

[YuriP]

The CRB, APG, GMG and Bestiary 1 have already been remastered. They were left out of this end-of-stock process because the problem that forced the remastering is what people call the OGL Fiasco, which was when WotC/Hasbro tried to sneak in an update to the OGL license using a contractual loophole in order to try to cap "unauthorized VTTs", guarantee control over 3rd party materials made in the OGL and try to block the creation of a new "Pathfinder" similarly to what happened in the fourth edition when both players resisted the new system and third party developers resisted the license of that edition and begin to develop alternatives based on 3rd edition open rules. But that turned into a fiasco when they were publicly denounced by the big third party developers to whom the Hasbro were submitting the new version of the OGL for acceptance. This ended the trust that everyone had in the OGL as a free license to publish content in the shared D20 rules and lore system, and since PF2e had a lot of lore content shared with D&D, Paizo decided to remaster the core books, removing the shared content, changing names, and taking the opportunity to make adjustments to the system for things they thought weren't working very well or that they thought could be improved, resulting in the remaster.

In this process, in addition to the core books changing structure with the CRB, APG, and GMG content being redistributed between PC1, PC2, and GMC, some content, mainly from GMG, was removed, such as the alternative attribute rules, which Paizo considered to be very little used. And realistically, I don't think most of the removed content will return. At most, maybe in a Paizo blog post or a personal post by one of the game designers. In any case, if it's possible for you, they still persist in AoN as legacy content for whoever wants to read and use it.

[Perpdepog]

While I've got no idea on Dark Archive or Book of the Dead, and would love to see both those be remastered, I don't think we're going to see Secrets of Magic get the remastering treatment. That book's options have been getting re-released at a pretty consistent clip, like the Reflective Ripple Stance feats and Runelord archetype showing up in Rival Academies, for example.

I think they're spreading SoM's content out over multiple new releases rather than try to remaster it and all the difficulty around finding new material to fill the spell school section.

[YuriP]

I honestly think it's hard for them to spread the summoner and magus content into other books.

The most likely scenario is that they'll do something like Divine Mysteries, but maybe without changing the name. With a new "Secret of Magic" with much more new content since part of the lore no longer exists (retcon) and part of the content has already been re-done in other rulebooks.

Anyway, there's nothing announced yet.

[kaid]

Secrets of magic is clearly one of he most impacted book by the changes with remastering. It will be an interesting call if they try to remaster it or try to work summoners/magus remasters into some new book. One way or the other they likely will need to address it at some point.

[Baelor the Bard]

Maybe Remastered Magus and Summoner will go into whatever book the Impossible playtest is from.

[YuriP]

It's very unlikely, classes take up a lot of space in books to just be thrown into random books without warning.

[Evan Tarlton]

It depends on how much rules content will be in the Impossible book. We can almost guarantee new archetypes, new spells, and new items. If there are also new variant rules, like Mythic in War of Immortals or Troops in Battlecry!, then there probably won't be room for more classes. If there aren't, then there just might be. Thematically, this book would probably be the book to do it, and lifting parts of the SoM content for other books leans against a Remastered SoM being in the cards aby time soon. We'll just have to wait and see.

[WWHsmackdown]

Paizocon or Gencon will tell us if the impossible book includes summoner and magus

[moosher12]

Give it a year or two, and 4 classes can easily be put into a single 320- to 330-page rulebook if the standard 8 classes is fine. As 4 classes is less than 8, any replacement for Secrets of Magic could easily encompass the remaining 4 classes of Dark Archive and Secrets of Magic when accounting for the fact Secrets of Magic content is being actively sourced elsewhere, that such a book does not need the Dark Archive adventure, and that Secrets of magic is 250 pages when you can easily approach 320 pages like with Player Core 2 or 330 pages with Divine Mysteries.

Going beyond: 6 classes is less than 8. Who knows, The Impossible playtest never listed a book name. And Impossible Lands is already an existing Lost Omens book. I definitely support the idea of Impossible Playtest being the "impossible" notion of a magically-themed mega book akin to a Player Core 2 in size and scope but with the magical skew. Dare I say: A Player Core 3?