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Does any class have both sneak attack(or similar) and medium armor?
Trying to find an option for a friend with a character unwilling to spend the feat for medium armor.
Closest I can think of if the old 3.0/5 alternate fighter called Thug with sneak attack instead of bonus feats.
Sources from Pathfinder 1st Ed and D&D 3.0/5 all welcome.
Thank you.
Slayer hybrid class has it, I'm pretty sure.
Or, take the Armor Expert or Armor Master trait, there's a combat trait and I think regional trait... wear Mithral Breastplate without penalty, regardless of proficiency.
Probably not at all what is desired, but for completeness, naturefang druid.
Cavalier with Order of the Blossom...
Or, better yet, Nature Fang Druid VMC Cavalier, with Order of the Blossom.
sneak attack characters generally want to go Dex build, and eventually wind up with light or no armor.
But slayer
Depending on their reason for wanting medium armor, proficiency might not even be required... if they want a chain mail for example, just get an Elven Chain... all the stats of a mithral chain Mail but only requires light armor proficiency.
Trying to find an option for a friend with a character unwilling to spend the feat for medium armor.
If they are willing to spend a level instead, they could take any class with medium armor proficiency. Sneak attacking classes can compensate lost levels with the Accomplished Sneak Attacker feat. It provides an additional d6 of sneak attack, as long as you don't have more dice than a pure rogue, in total.
Stalker vigilantes get something like sneak attack and can wear medium armor. If they take the masked maiden archetype they get heavy armor, even.
One archetype of the ranger (poison darter) gets sneak attack with blowguns only (from L4) and can still wear medium armor.
Halfling
Disciple of the Pike Cavalier 8/
Halfling Opportunist 5
At 13:
BAB +11
Base Saves +8/+5/+5
4D6 Sneak Attack
20pt buy (w/ racials)
16,12,14,10,10,10
Order of the Blossom gives you 2D6 Sneak Attack by level 8... Halfling Opportunist gives you 2D6... with Opportunity Attacker you deal Sneak Attack on every AoO... with Great Trip you get an AoO for tripping people... with Accomplished Sneak Attack your AoO deal 5D6 precision damage.
More importantly than any stupid Sneak Attack, though... Disciple of the Pike gives you Weapon Training, and thusly opens up Advanced Weapon Training options... as well as the Gloves of Dueling.
sneak attack characters generally don’t have access to medium armor, and are stuck going Dex if they don’t want to be dead.sneak attack characters generally want to go Dex build, and eventually wind up with light or no armor.
But slayer
nah, they can get heavier armors if they want. But TWF/ranged combat/stealth (which are all important ways to use sneak attack) all work better on a Dex build. and since you're going Dex, you might as well go with armors that let you use your dex, hence light.
nah, they can get heavier armors if they want. But TWF/ranged combat/stealth (which are all important ways to use sneak attack) all work better on a Dex build. and since you're going Dex, you might as well go with armors that let you use your dex, hence light.
I disagree. I've yet to see an actually in-field-functional ranged SA builds, unaided stealth is horrible for triggering SA, and TWF is hardly a necessarity for a good SA build. The actual sample size is really low in Pathfinder, but of the classes/archetypes with notable SA progression, I count at least three that don't really want to go dex-based* - Slayer, because they can bypass TWF prereqs, Sanctified Slayer Inquisitor, because Bane'ing two weapons is prohibitively expensive, and Vivisectionist Alchemists, which lack medum armor prof but is much better with natural weapons than at TWF. Snakebite Striker Brawler must use light weapon and gets AC bonus when wearing light armor, but is probably too feat-starved to even take Weapon Finesse. Ninja is in a weird place in PF1, but is probbly better off using strength, too.
If you don't have over class features enforcing or supporting going dex-based, Sneak Attack alone is not enough of a reason to do so.
*) For contrast, those who want to go dex-based are Rogue (due to Evasion & Finesse Training) and Cult Leader Warpriest (can get Imp.TWF before their actual iterative).
The one ninja I've seen was a strength-based dirty trickster that worked fairly well. He actually wanted to take damage due to the redirect force ninja trick.
An agile AoMF is easy enough to push a vivisectionist back to being dex-based I think, especially since a Str increasing mutagen hits your Int which is an alchemist's casting stat. Not that an alchemist needs that much Int but I think it'd be annoying.
nah, they can get heavier armors if they want. But TWF/ranged combat/stealth (which are all important ways to use sneak attack) all work better on a Dex build. and since you're going Dex, you might as well go with armors that let you use your dex, hence light.I disagree. I've yet to see an actually in-field-functional ranged SA builds, unaided stealth is horrible for triggering SA, and TWF is hardly a necessarity for a good SA build. The actual sample size is really low in Pathfinder, but of the classes/archetypes with notable SA progression, I count at least three that don't really want to go dex-based* - Slayer, because they can bypass TWF prereqs, Sanctified Slayer Inquisitor, because Bane'ing two weapons is prohibitively expensive, and Vivisectionist Alchemists, which lack medum armor prof but is much better with natural weapons than at TWF. Snakebite Striker Brawler must use light weapon and gets AC bonus when wearing light armor, but is probably too feat-starved to even take Weapon Finesse. Ninja is in a weird place in PF1, but is probbly better off using strength, too.
If you don't have over class features enforcing or supporting going dex-based, Sneak Attack alone is not enough of a reason to do so.
*) For contrast, those who want to go dex-based are Rogue (due to Evasion & Finesse Training) and Cult Leader Warpriest (can get Imp.TWF before their actual iterative).
I think you prove my point. Sneak attack characters are generally dex build and want to be dex build. that being the case heavy armors negate your dex bonus to AC, and that being the case they want to use light armors instead of heavy armors.