Metaphysician |
So, I got my PDF copy of Alien Archive 2. So far it looks fun.
One thing stood out to me, though: the Uplifted Bears. As a playable race, they. . . kind of get everything. Extra senses, skill bonus, enhanced movement, natural weapons, limited telepathy, and a few things I'm probably forgetting. Sure, they have a few minor downsides, but it feels like they are less a jack of all trades and more a master of all trades. Thoughts?
Jokey the Unfunny Comedian |
BigNorseWolf wrote:After millenium of oppression and starvation on golarion keeping them smaller than wolves, the bears have overcome adversity to reach their true potential!Are they humanoid?
Could it be that all this time, due to our frankly self-centered humano-centric view of the universe, we have been bearoid creatures and just denied it to ourselves?
Ravingdork |
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They are magical beasts if I recall correctly.
Their reach is limited.
Their augmentations are limited.
Their telepathy is limited.
Their vision is limited.
Their will saves are limited.
What's not to love? :P
They are big, fast, intelligent, and hit hard. Certainly powerful, but I don't think it trumps other races.
Anything with reach and darkvision is better if you ask me.
EltonJ |
EltonJ wrote:Could it be that all this time, due to our frankly self-centered humano-centric view of the universe, we have been bearoid creatures and just denied it to ourselves?BigNorseWolf wrote:After millenium of oppression and starvation on golarion keeping them smaller than wolves, the bears have overcome adversity to reach their true potential!Are they humanoid?
Nope. Not unless there is bear humanoids out there in the universe.
BigNorseWolf |
They are magical beasts if I recall correctly.
Their augmentations are limited.
Is there another brain slot besides the datajack? At worst they're one augmentation slot down.
Anything with reach and darkvision is better if you ask me.
darkvision is 200 credits in an armor slot.
Ravingdork |
Is there another brain slot besides the datajack? At worst they're one augmentation slot down.
Yes.
Backup lobeBackup lobe (Necrograft)
Control mirror neurons
Datajack, accelerated
Datajack, accelerated (Adaptive Biochains)
Datajack, accelerated (Necrograft)
Datajack, high-density
Datajack, high-density (Adaptive Biochains)
Datajack, high-density (Necrograft)
Datajack, standard
Datajack, standard (Adaptive Biochains)
Datajack, standard (Necrograft)
Divining mirror neurons
Necrocortex, mk 1
Necrocortex, mk 2
Necrocortex, mk 3
Necrocortex, mk 4
Necrocortex, mk 5
Ocucloak processor
Ocucloak processor (Necrograft)
Phantom basal ganglia, mk 1
Phantom basal ganglia, mk 2
Phantom basal ganglia, mk 3
Phantom basal ganglia, mk 4
Phantom basal ganglia, mk 5
Shortwave receiver-transmitter
Shortwave receiver-transmitter (Adaptive Biochains)
Shortwave receiver-transmitter (Necrograft)
Sovereign helm (Relic)
Whispering gyrus, mk 1
Whispering gyrus, mk 2
Whispering gyrus, mk 3
Whispering gyrus, mk 4
Whispering gyrus, mk 5
BigNorseWolf |
Datajack, accelerated
Datajack, accelerated (Adaptive Biochains)
Datajack, accelerated (Necrograft)
Datajack, high-density
Datajack, high-density (Adaptive Biochains)
Datajack, high-density (Necrograft)
Datajack, standard
Datajack, standard (Adaptive Biochains)
Datajack, standard (Necrograft)
These are all datajacks.
Ravingdork |
honestly, large w/o reach kinda sucks. makes you a BIG target, and with so many enemies being ranged, that might get kinda rough. just think about the opening of Dead Suns...
Furious charge is crazy though! They had to balance that out somehow. Seems like the shortened reach does that just fine.
Yakman |
Yakman wrote:honestly, large w/o reach kinda sucks. makes you a BIG target, and with so many enemies being ranged, that might get kinda rough. just think about the opening of Dead Suns...Furious charge is crazy though! They had to balance that out somehow. Seems like the shortened reach does that just fine.
it's definitely a stronger race than most, like the Strix and the Naur and a few others.
that being said, if someone wants to be an uplifted bear, well, let them be an uplifted bear. but if i were to be their GM, they should expect to be a primary target.
JiCi |
There seems to be a few confusing things about u-bears:
- Why typed as magical beasts instead of monstrous humanoids?
- Large but no reach; that would have made some sense if they add an ability to walk and run on all fours.
- They have limited augmentation... but no reason given why. I read and re-read and nothing is told about if the uplifted status modified their brains that they cannot except technological implants.
- The fact that the uplifted status has "been lost in the Gap". I'm so sorry, but... in a fantasy sci-fi setting, people should have dabble with genetic modifications to create uplifted animals. Hey, if xenodruids wanted to further their ideals, that would be the perfect way to do so.
Ravingdork |
We need uplifted cows next!
'Huh?' said Ford.
'Huh?' said Arthur.
'Huh?' said Trillian.
'That's cool,' said Zaphod, 'we'll meet the meat.'
- snip -
A large dairy animal approached Zaphod Beeblebrox's table, a large fat meaty quadruped of the bovine type with large watery eyes, small horns and what might almost have been an ingratiating smile on its lips.
'Good evening', it lowed and sat back heavily on its haunches, 'I am the main Dish of the Day. May I interest you in the parts of my body?'
It harrumphed and gurgled a bit, wriggled its hind quarters in to a more comfortable position and gazed peacefully at them.
Its gaze was met by looks of startled bewilderment from Arthur and Trillian, a resigned shrug from Ford Prefect and naked hunger from Zaphod Beeblebrox.
'Something off the shoulder perhaps?' suggested the animal, 'Braised in a white wine sauce?'
'Er, your shoulder?' said Arthur in a horrified whisper.
'But naturall ymy shoulder, sir,' mooed the animal contentedly, 'nobody else's is mine to offer.'
Zaphod leapt to his feet and started prodding and feeling the animal's shoulder appreciatively.
'Or the rump is very good,' murmured the animal. 'I've been exercising it and eating plenty of grain, so there's a lot of good meat there.'
It gave a mellow grunt, gurgled again and started to chew the cud. It swallowed the cud again.
'Or a casserole of me perhaps?' it added.
'You mean this animal actually wants us to eat it?' whispered Trillian to Ford.
'Me?' said Ford, with a glazed look in his eyes, 'I don't mean anything.'
'That's absolutely horrible,' exclaimed Arthur, 'the most revolting thing I've ever heard.'
'What's the problem Earthman?' said Zaphod, now transferring his attention to the animal's enormous rump.
'I just don't want to eat an animal that's standing there inviting me to,' said Arthur, 'It's heartless.'
'Better than eating an animal that doesn't want to be eaten,' said Zaphod.
'That's not the point,' Arthur protested. Then he thought about it for a moment. 'Alright,' he said, 'maybe it is the point. I don't care, I'm not going to think about it now. I'll just ... er ... I think I'll just have a green salad,' he muttered.
'May I urge you to consider my liver?' asked the animal, 'it must be very rich and tender by now, I've been force-feeding myself for months.'
'A green salad,' said Arthur emphatically.
'A green salad?' said the animal, rolling his eyes disapprovingly at Arthur.
'Are you going to tell me,' said Arthur, 'that I shouldn't have green salad?'
'Well,' said the animal, 'I know many vegetables that are very clear on that point. Which is why it was eventually decided to cut through the whole tangled problem and breed an animal that actually wanted to be eaten and was capable of saying so clearly and distinctly. And here I am.'
It managed a very slight bow.
'Glass of water please,' said Arthur.
'Look,' said Zaphod, 'we want to eat, we don't want to make a meal of the issues. Four rare stakes please, and hurry. We haven't eaten in five hundred and seventy-six thousand million years.'
The animal staggered to its feet. It gave a mellow gurgle. 'A very wise choice, sir, if I may say so. Very good,' it said, 'I'll just nip off and shoot myself.'
He turned and gave a friendly wink to Arthur. 'Don't worry, sir,' he said, 'I'll be very humane.'
It waddled unhurriedly off to the kitchen.
From the book "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" by Douglas Adams
FormerFiend |
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I had actually been hoping that the uplifted bear would just be an example of a more general uplifted animal template that could be used to create more uplifted animal races rather than having a whole bunch of aliens who just happened to be animal headed humanoids. But then they didn't do that and gave us pathra & vlaka in the same book.
Granted there's probably enough to go off of going forward.
avr |
Yakman wrote:...if I were to be their GM, they should expect to be a primary target.Almost goes without saying for any strong large character. Easy to spot, easy to shoot.
It might even be useful for the PC if there are glass cannons in the party who need to be protected. And if it doesn't trump "Geek the mage!" then it doesn't mean much.
BTW, anyone else here read enough of Schlock Mercenary to remember the uplifted polar bear?
Metaphysician |
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Their entry outright mentions that uplifted animals exist in various forms. Just because uplifting is a thing that happens, doesn't mean the U-Bears know when and where and why *their* uplifting occurred.
Which does implicitly mean that species uplifts don't happen every day, but you know, producing enough Uplifted _____ to establish a self-sustaining population is not a small effort. Even if uplift is something every advanced genetics lab can do, doesn't mean most of them put the effort into producing the thousands, minimum, it would take to create a new species. I tend to imagine most "uplifting" consists of limited or singular numbers, done by labs or lone scientists as custom creations to solve specific problems, satisfy specific contracts, or just out of curiosity.
( Oh, and why Magical Animal? I suspect because Uplifted Animals are still supposed to be animals. . . and the type rules specify that 'Animal' has a hard INT limit. By definition, any 'animal' with an intelligence greater than 3 becomes a 'Magical Animal' automatically. Which probably comes as a great shock to all the ravens and dolphins and elephants that already should, by all right, have an Int north of 4. . . )
BigNorseWolf |
Oh, and why Magical Animal? I suspect because Uplifted Animals are still supposed to be animals. . . and the type rules specify that 'Animal' has a hard INT limit. By definition, any 'animal' with an intelligence greater than 3 becomes a 'Magical Animal' automatically.
People tried that interpretation to rule that pathfinder critters couldn't have an int score of 3.
It didn't work.
The definition of something as an animal based on its int score is a design note for people making the monsters and how they fit into the world, not a hard and fast rule covering every corner case.
Orion Borealis |
Yakman wrote:...if I were to be their GM, they should expect to be a primary target.Almost goes without saying for any strong large character. Easy to spot, easy to shoot.
Except in Starfinder, there are no size modifiers to AC. So the only effect on ranged attacks would be where cover was involved and in many cases, the large size would only change cover to partial cover.
The limited reach can be partly overcome with reach weapons. And the lack of reach is not so much a disadvantage, since 5 ft. reach is the same as small and medium size PCs. They threaten more squares (12 compared to 9) and hence make it harder to move past without dealing with AOO. And even without a weapon drawn, the uplifted bear can make AOOs against those that try to move through their threatened squares.
Another disadvantage of a large creature is the need to squeeze through hallways and doors meant for medium size creatures. There is the TIght Fit feat, however, which mitigates that.
I am drawing inspiration for my Uplifted Bear character from the intelligent polar bears of the Golden Compass.
So far I'm enjoying the possibilities. As a solider class, there are a great many ways to optimize an uplifted bear for melee combat.