It's been 10 years since PF1, and he was already really old by then, he could've died of old age by now.Are you kidding? Ezren may be getting older but he still keeps in shape. I mean have you seen mythic Ezren? Dude is swole! His adventuring days aren't done yet.They are changing small aspects of their costumes. I would absolutely love if Ezren were to get a pointy-hat.Assuming he's not too old to adventure now.
I figure his age is kind of fixed in time. Like how Batman has been in his 30s since the 1930s.
Ezren was canonically born in 4665 AR, making him 53 this year. That makes him "old" under PF1 aging rules, but what those categories will be in PF2 (or if they'll exist at all) is all seeeeecret until August (at least). So who knows. But he's far from at risk of dying of old age for another 40 years. He's still got venerable to go through, after all!It's been 10 years since PF1, and he was already really old by then, he could've died of old age by now.Are you kidding? Ezren may be getting older but he still keeps in shape. I mean have you seen mythic Ezren? Dude is swole! His adventuring days aren't done yet.They are changing small aspects of their costumes. I would absolutely love if Ezren were to get a pointy-hat.Assuming he's not too old to adventure now.
He looks like he was 60 already in PF1 era.
Oooo does this mean it opens up to like Blood of the Sea did and give us “monsters” as PCs, like things like Satyrs and Fauns for example?I do kind of hope that 2e doesn't have the "Iconics can only be core race characters" rule <_< I mean, I get that all returning iconics will be, but I assume 2e might have couple of new classes eventuallyIn PF1, any new races beyond those in the Core Rulebook were always tied to a Bestiary entry, usually as a sidebar or subheader describing how characters of that race are built. PF2 uses ancestries, which will honestly make it easier for us to introduce PC-friendly versions of fan-favorite races in products that don't include monster stats. For example, if Planar Adventures were coming out in a year and was designed for PF2, we might include a chapter on new ancestries and put the aasimar, tiefling, fetchling, ifrit, etc. in there. If there were also a new class in there, the Planewalker (no "s" so no copyright infringement, MtG!), then we'd have the rules for both the class and one of the ancestries in the same book, and so it'd be easy to justify making an aasimar or tiefling iconic of that class. Obviously, this is all hypothetical, but I see ancestries as enabling this sort of diverse iconic spread rather than being a hindrance.
That's how Starfinder does it.
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Oooo does this mean it opens up to like Blood of the Sea did and give us “monsters” as PCs, like things like Satyrs and Fauns for example?
I've been half-seriously threatening to bring in a Flumph PC for a while now. The write-up for the Kineticist specifically mentioning "Free had or grasping appendage" seems to support this option. So obviously this means we need a Flumph Iconic!
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<- Would throw up in his mouth a little if we had a catfolk iconic.
But it wouldn't stop me from buying anything, so, you know, take it for what little it is worth.
Don't you see? The greatest thing about having a Catfolk iconic...
Would be that they would have to DECIDE what Catfolk actually look like. Are they anime-style cat people with just ears and tails? Are they Thundercats style human shaped hybrids? Are they actual cat anthros? Which?? It drives me crazy. I've rationalized it to myself and to my players that they're just like Khajit in Elder Scrolls and they're born with different levels of cat based on phases of the moon.
https://img00.deviantart.net/1223/i/2012/144/0/c/catfolk_by_infraberry-d50x vsa.jpg
https://pathfinderwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/de/Catfolk_monk.jpg/250 px-Catfolk_monk.jpg
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<- Would throw up in his mouth a little if we had a catfolk iconic.
But it wouldn't stop me from buying anything, so, you know, take it for what little it is worth.
Don't you see? The greatest thing about having a Catfolk iconic...
Would be that they would have to DECIDE what Catfolk actually look like. Are they anime-style cat people with just ears and tails? Are they Thundercats style human shaped hybrids? Are they actual cat anthros? Which?? It drives me crazy. I've rationalized it to myself and to my players that they're just like Khajit in Elder Scrolls and they're born with different levels of cat based on phases of the moon.
https://img00.deviantart.net/1223/i/2012/144/0/c/catfolk_by_infraberry-d50x vsa.jpg
https://pathfinderwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/de/Catfolk_monk.jpg/250 px-Catfolk_monk.jpg
Arguments wasted on one who would just as soon they didn't exist in the first place...
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<- Would throw up in his mouth a little if we had a catfolk iconic.
But it wouldn't stop me from buying anything, so, you know, take it for what little it is worth.
Don't you see? The greatest thing about having a Catfolk iconic...
Would be that they would have to DECIDE what Catfolk actually look like. Are they anime-style cat people with just ears and tails? Are they Thundercats style human shaped hybrids? Are they actual cat anthros? Which?? It drives me crazy. I've rationalized it to myself and to my players that they're just like Khajit in Elder Scrolls and they're born with different levels of cat based on phases of the moon.
https://img00.deviantart.net/1223/i/2012/144/0/c/catfolk_by_infraberry-d50x vsa.jpg
https://pathfinderwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/de/Catfolk_monk.jpg/250 px-Catfolk_monk.jpg
This all this.
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I figure his age is kind of fixed in time. Like how Batman has been in his 30s since the 1930s.It's been 10 years since PF1, and he was already really old by then, he could've died of old age by now.Are you kidding? Ezren may be getting older but he still keeps in shape. I mean have you seen mythic Ezren? Dude is swole! His adventuring days aren't done yet.They are changing small aspects of their costumes. I would absolutely love if Ezren were to get a pointy-hat.Assuming he's not too old to adventure now.
Batman is at the youngest in his late 30s, if not early 40s. Dick Grayson and Jason Todd are both in their early-mid 20s.
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Core Rulebook iconics have a more essential quality to them than the iconics for all of the other classes.
NO ONE IS SAFE!!!
LOL.
I swear, if something happens to Yoon...
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Yayy: Chance for tengu iconics!
Nayyy: Shardra being replaced as Shaman.
WT*: Damiel undergoing an Ancestry change to goblin.
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I swear, if something happens to Yoon...Core Rulebook iconics have a more essential quality to them than the iconics for all of the other classes.
NO ONE IS SAFE!!!
LOL.
No iconic is safe from the most virulent of afflictions, that which cannot be cured but merely endured, that leaves all it touches changed when it passes: puberty.
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He looks like he was 60 already in PF1 era.
No modern medicine and a father accused of heresy could do that for you.
If they did have a catfolk iconic the swashbuckler or shifter would have been nice choices.
No iconic is safe from the most virulent of afflictions, that which cannot be cured but merely endured, that leaves all it touches changed when it passes: puberty.I swear, if something happens to Yoon...Core Rulebook iconics have a more essential quality to them than the iconics for all of the other classes.
NO ONE IS SAFE!!!
LOL.
And don't forget the secondary infection: Sexuality. A chronic condition that cannot be cured, only managed.
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Ezren was canonically born in 4665 AR, making him 53 this year. That makes him "old" under PF1 aging rules, but what those categories will be in PF2 (or if they'll exist at all) is all seeeeecret until August (at least). So who knows. But he's far from at risk of dying of old age for another 40 years. He's still got venerable to go through, after all!It's been 10 years since PF1, and he was already really old by then, he could've died of old age by now.Are you kidding? Ezren may be getting older but he still keeps in shape. I mean have you seen mythic Ezren? Dude is swole! His adventuring days aren't done yet.They are changing small aspects of their costumes. I would absolutely love if Ezren were to get a pointy-hat.Assuming he's not too old to adventure now.
Funny story. 10 years ago, when most of us were in our late 20s or early 30s, making old-man Ezren 42 didn't really ping anyone's radar.
Whelp, I'm 42 now, and holy gods Ezren should have been older in first edition. :)
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Don't you see? The greatest thing about having a Catfolk iconic...
Would be that they would have to DECIDE what Catfolk actually look like. Are they anime-style cat people with just ears and tails? Are they Thundercats style human shaped hybrids? Are they actual cat anthros? Which?? It drives me crazy. I've rationalized it to myself and to my players that they're just like Khajit in Elder Scrolls and they're born with different levels of cat based on phases of the moon.
https://img00.deviantart.net/1223/i/2012/144/0/c/catfolk_by_infraberry-d50x vsa.jpg
https://pathfinderwiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/d/de/Catfolk_monk.jpg/250 px-Catfolk_monk.jpg
PF2e catfolk's appearances are still variable, as detailed in the Schrödinger ancestry.
Tengu, surprisingly, will have two ancestry options available initially: southern fried and karaage.
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I do kind of hope that 2e doesn't have the "Iconics can only be core race characters" ruleIn PF1, any new races beyond those in the Core Rulebook were always tied to a Bestiary entry, usually as a sidebar or subheader describing how characters of that race are built. PF2 uses ancestries, which will honestly make it easier for us to introduce PC-friendly versions of fan-favorite races
I don't really understand. I took a look at the ganzi, for example, in Distant Shores p.22 and I don't see any "tying into a Bestiary entry" there. Seems to me like PF1 can perfectly fine introduce new PC races without a Bestiary entry. But maybe I'm not understanding what you mean.
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Ganzi was one of the very few outliers, I believe. ^_^
Funny story. 10 years ago, when most of us were in our late 20s or early 30s, making old-man Ezren 42 didn't really ping anyone's radar.
Whelp, I'm 42 now, and holy gods Ezren should have been older in first edition. :)
Hey, some of the rest of us are that age! Ezren is doing fine for his age, even if not as well preserved as some of the rest of us. He makes up for it with magic.
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Just gonna shove an Elixer of Life down this threads throat.
Perhaps Damiel can be reclassed as a new artificer-esqe class combining the science of alchemy with the magical teachings of the arcane. Could be a new class, but could easily be an alchemist/wizard hybrid.
That's a hilarious idea.The Pathfinder comics really have to have a duel between the old and new iconic alchemists at some point.
They play a ferocious game of potion explosion.
Just gonna shove an Elixer of Life down this threads throat.
Perhaps Damiel can be reclassed as a new artificer-esqe class combining the science of alchemy with the magical teachings of the arcane. Could be a new class, but could easily be an alchemist/wizard hybrid.
I mean, they could always do what they did with Seltyiel early in P1e's lifetime and make him an iconic for a prestige class - Master Chymist, as far as I'd argue, is right up Damiel's alley not unlike that one person he murdered in Kyonin
I mean, Shardra got left off the International Women's Day promo art, so it might not be looking good for her.They apologized for the mistake and put up the corrected version.
That is a cool picture, but it does underscore something:
Add the menfolk too, and you realize that there are a HECK of a lot of character classes. :)
Just gonna shove an Elixer of Life down this threads throat.
Perhaps Damiel can be reclassed as a new artificer-esqe class combining the science of alchemy with the magical teachings of the arcane. Could be a new class, but could easily be an alchemist/wizard hybrid.
I was spitballing how I would do the Occutist, and realized there were two concepts running around in the current class:
1) Hedge Mage: A resonance king "alchemist" that specializes in trinkets, weapon and armor buffs. Like the alchemist, not an actual caster, but lights up like a Christmas tree under detect magic. Also a ritual specialist and some kind of crafter.
2) Invested Wizard: Using implements as preparation instead of a spellbook, this caster chooses his spell list using the same invested method as the PF Occultist and the occult spell list. Unlike everyone else, he has a flexible power class feature that allows him to "prepare" a number of powers each morning in addition to his spells, up to three.
I figure the current Occutlist Iconic could take the latter, but perhaps Dameil would be good for 1?
I mean, Shardra got left off the International Women's Day promo art, so it might not be looking good for her.They apologized for the mistake and put up the corrected version.That is a cool picture, but it does underscore something:
Add the menfolk too, and you realize that there are a HECK of a lot of character classes. :)
Too many. I would've like to see some squishing of redundant core classes.
The main problem with Harsk as a pregen is that he took the heavy crossbow, so he can only fire every other round. I ran off some copies of the iconics for any new players, and I shifted Harsk to the light crossbow. Slightly less damage, but rapid reload now lets him use it as quick as a bow.?? I thought Harsk was the textbook example of a terrible iconic?
(I've never actually looked at his sheet, but it's what others have said around here)
I guess another option would have been rapid reaload + vital strike
When I looked at his build in the npc codex i was befuddled to see neither of those