There have been other threads on this topic and to the best of my knowledge the +1d6 means it stacks.
Unless it says otherwise, sneak attack dice from all sources stack. The hybrid rules make a compelling-sounding argument for the opposite, but I've never heard that actually being enforced.
It stacks.
There are a few sources of sneak attack that specify stacking.
This is exactly like the rogue ability of the same name. The extra damage dealt increases by +1d6 every other level (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, and 10th). If an arcane trickster gets a sneak attack bonus from another source, the bonuses on damage stack.
At 1st level, a vivisectionist gains the sneak attack ability as a rogue of the same level. If a character already has sneak attack from another class, the levels from the classes that grant sneak attack stack to determine the effective rogue level for the sneak attack’s extra damage dice (so an alchemist 1/rogue 1 has a +1d6 sneak attack like a 2nd-level rogue, an alchemist 2/rogue 1 has a +2d6 sneak attack like a 3rd-level rogue, and so on).
Rogue doesn't have this text. Slayer doesn't have this text.
As such, the rule of hybrid classes actually overrides the usual function of the two redundant abilities actually being useful on their own merit. Because neither of them 'specify otherwise', you get to use only the highest such value of sneak attack; 1d6 in this case.
It stacks.Why?
From the hybrid class description:
Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified. If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline). The new classes presented here are all hybrids of two existing core or base classes.
Slayer is Rogue / Hunter ... multiclassing with rogue, each gain sneak attack (i.e. redundant abilities) ... most classes have the caveat of "Multiple sources stack" -- however, neither the rogue nor the slayer has that text.
Thought it was potentially RAI that they stack. The rules specifically say that redundant abilities do not stack unless otherwise stated. You are still getting the ability from both classes though which means you are able to take the highest bonus available to either class that is available to you.
The answer is 1d6 for the above question.
I can see an arguement for both being an effect added to an attack that meets the criteria for the sneak attack ability and could see an arguement that since the criteria for both is met both will deal damage. However I also see that if this were the case there would be no reason to ever put that clause in other instances of sneak attacks, as all sneak attacks would essentially stack with each other.
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The arcane trickster was written in 3.5, when the only other existing sources of sneak attack were the rogue and blackguard prestige class. There is no reason to write a stacking clause unless it is meant like the vivisectionist's sneak attack, where alchemist and rogue levels stack to determine total sneak attack.
most archetypes and prestige classes that grant sneak attack has the wording that it stacks with other sneak attack. There are a few archetypes and the slayer that don't say that, features that don't say they stack don't stack.
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Including the source is helpful.
Channel Energy: If I have this ability from more than one class, do they stack?
No—unless an ability specifically says it stacks with similar abilities (such as an assassin's sneak attack), or adds in some way based on the character's total class levels (such as improved uncanny dodge), the abilities don't stack and you have to use them separately. Therefore, cleric channeling doesn't stack with paladin channeling, necromancer channeling, oracle of life channeling, and so on.
Assassin says the abilities stack. Unlike rogue and slayer sneak attacks.
Like rogue and slayer, the paladin and cleric do NOT say that they stack with each other. The two abilities are different in some way and therefore can't be used at the same time
Same applies to the two different sneak attack sources
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Assassin says the abilities stack. Unlike rogue and slayer sneak attacks.
Like rogue and slayer, the paladin and cleric do NOT say that they stack with each other. The two abilities are different in some way and therefore can't be used at the same time
Same applies to the two different sneak attack sources
The difference between channel energy and sneak attack is that channel energy is a standard action that causes Xd6 worth of dice as an effect, while sneak attack is a trigger that adds Xd6 damage to your standard damage when certain conditions are met. Once the condition is met, all sources of sneak attack should add Xd6 damage to the standard damage roll independently.
Channel Energy: If I have this ability from more than one class, do they stack?
No—unless an ability specifically says it stacks with similar abilities (such as an assassin's sneak attack), or adds in some way based on the character's total class levels (such as improved uncanny dodge), the abilities don't stack and you have to use them separately. Therefore, cleric channeling doesn't stack with paladin channeling, necromancer channeling, oracle of life channeling, and so on.
How do you use a slayer's sneak attack separately from a rogue's sneak attack? They both trigger off the same condition, an unlimited number of times per day.
Assassin says the abilities stack. Unlike rogue and slayer sneak attacks.
Like rogue and slayer, the paladin and cleric do NOT say that they stack with each other. The two abilities are different in some way and therefore can't be used at the same time
Same applies to the two different sneak attack sources
The difference between channel energy and sneak attack is that channel energy is a standard action that causes Xd6 worth of dice as an effect, while sneak attack is a trigger that adds Xd6 damage to your standard damage when certain conditions are met. Once the condition is met, all sources of sneak attack should add Xd6 damage to the standard damage roll independently.
How do you use a slayer's sneak attack separately from a rogue's sneak attack? They both trigger off the same condition, an unlimited number of times per day.Channel Energy: If I have this ability from more than one class, do they stack?
No—unless an ability specifically says it stacks with similar abilities (such as an assassin's sneak attack), or adds in some way based on the character's total class levels (such as improved uncanny dodge), the abilities don't stack and you have to use them separately. Therefore, cleric channeling doesn't stack with paladin channeling, necromancer channeling, oracle of life channeling, and so on.
An example might be Sap Master. If you had +2d6 sneak attack from Slayer and +3d6 sneak attack from rogue, you would only add the extra dice from rogue.
This is an example of how to apply them separately, not what I am advocating.
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Technically they don't 'stack' in that each pool of sneak attack dice is unique and separate. A Rogue 1/Slayer 3 doesn't have a +2d6 sneak attack, they have two +1d6 sneak attacks. For the most part, this is a distinction without a difference, as both will trigger on the same conditions, so you will do two dice worth of sneak attack damage on appropriate attacks.
Where it could matter is if you have prerequisite requirements for things. For example, the Arcane trickster prestige class requires a +2d6 sneak attack. Technically from what I understand, our Rogue/Slayer wouldn't qualify.
That being said, I wouldn't both with that distinction in my games, and I would be surprised if even PFS would.
Also you could look at is as overlapping, meaning you choose which of the two you use when the condition is met.
Similar to rage and bloodrage, FAQ says when you activate both you choose 1 to actually be active and the other is ignored.
Same here, when you flank attack, you choose which pool of sneak attack you are applying to the hit.
So the real question is if I have sneak attack from a non-parent class but it lacks text about stacking does it stack?
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No, as mentioned in the quoted FAQ.
Whether or not you get to add two 1d6 Sneak Attacks to damage for a total of 2d6 is less clear. (The distinction being that we know you don't stack levels like for uncanny dodge, but we don't know that '1d6 Sneak Attack' is a redundant effect of what have you. The call out of assassin's sneak attack suggests that it is.)
Just glancing through classes and prestige classes, it seems like most prestige classes include stack language and most base classes don't.
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I will try to look for source, but sneak attack damage from multiple sources should stack... with the caveat that you can't have more dice of sneak attack than a Rogue would at the same character level. In other words, if two classes grant Sneak Attack 1d6 at 1st level, (like Rogue and Vivisectionist Alchemist, for example), and you take 1 level of each, you don't hit 2d6 until you take another level of one of them.
wasn't sneak attack being dipped one of the reasons for that rule?
It seems to me it's pretty clear that it's 1d6. If a GM wants to not play by the rules and do 2d6 that's his perogative, but it's not supported by the rules.
Thats not what anyone is doing. You can disagree without accusations of cheating.
Choosing to not play by the rules as written is not cheating. It's just altering the game. I don't play with the rule that says you need to have an ability before you can take the FCB for it. That has nothing to do with cheating, it's just a rule I don't like so I don't use it.
I don't agree with it but i can see how someone could read +1d6 sneak as different than sneak attack as a seperate ability.
Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified. If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline). The new classes presented here are all hybrids of two existing core or base classes.
Thats putting me heavily at 1d6.
The animal companionone is cause that first feat was at its 1st HD which was 0 bab. It's the same rule as when you make a lv 2 pc with non full bab, it's first feat needs to be one with 0 bab, even though this guy you're making has 1 bab now
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It seems to me it's pretty clear that it's 1d6. If a GM wants to not play by the rules and do 2d6 that's his perogative, but it's not supported by the rules.
While I agree with your interpretation that the character would add 2d6 damage, I don't agree with your the tone of stating that anything that isn't your interpretation is a house rule. This is a legitimate rules dispute. It obviously isn't clear given that there are many people on both sides of the argument, unlike, say, the sorcerer core only spells known thread.
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It's clear,they don't stack and you don't get to apply both. The "debate" is that people don't want that answer so are trying to debate that they stack.
Mark has said that if you have inspiration from two separate instances of inspiration that you have two pools that progress separately, but you couldn't apply both to the same check.
Same here, two separate sneak attack but you can't add two sneak attack to the same attack
It's clear,they don't stack and you don't get to apply both. The "debate" is that people don't want that answer so are trying to debate that they stack.
Mark has said that if you have inspiration from two separate instances of inspiration that you have two pools that progress separately, but you couldn't apply both to the same check.
Same here, two separate sneak attack but you can't add two sneak attack to the same attack
This situation can be seen differently though. For the inspiration, for your example, is it's own action and explicitly says you can only use an inspiration once for a roll. Sneak Attack is a passive ability that relies on conditions to be met to trigger. No sneak attacks say that they can only be applied once. Nothing says that +1d6 (rogue SA) and +1d6 (slayer SA) can't both be applied to a flanked foe. Like Mark says, there are two pools so both SA are there.
the distinction about getting 1d6 SA from each class, while also NOT counting as having "2d6" sneak attack for anything that may require it as a prerequisite is compelling.
this allows the rule to hold. the individual damage pools get applied on relevant attacks, but they doesn't stack into a single pool of non-class-specific sneak attack.
you don't count as having 2d6 sneak until one of your two classes had 2d6 sneak on is own
the distinction about getting 1d6 SA from each class, while also NOT counting as having "2d6" sneak attack for anything that may require it as a prerequisite is compelling.
this allows the rule to hold. the individual damage pools get applied on relevant attacks, but they doesn't stack into a single pool of non-class-specific sneak attack.
you don't count as having 2d6 sneak until one of your two classes had 2d6 sneak on is own
That is just incredibly confusing, i would rather be outright wrong than try to remember that.