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In a number of scenarios there are faction notes that give additional reputation for completing specific requirements. It’s left pretty open wether it goes only to people who slotted the faction boon or to all PCs. RAW it reads that it goes to all PCs, but that gives no reason for people to get more than 1 faction boon.
Which is it?
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They are explicitly designed to convince you to try other factions. They also contribute to your General reputation rank, which is the sum total of all your reputation, and gives you access to the General Society boons.
The boons are why you would pick different factions. Each factions boons are different, and maybe your character needs access to boons from two different factions.
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You gain the extra faction Reputation regardless of your specific champion boon. The intent is that a character might end up with a handful of Reputation in factions they don't typically champion, just by virtue of playing scenarios associated with those factions. This is the intended method, and while some may view it as "sub optimal" in terms of overall Reputation, that's part of the reason why these points are bonus points.
We'd like to avoid having situations where people don't play X/Y/Z scenario because they're associated with a faction that the PC doesn't care about. Instead, it's a bonus and not a penalty.
On that note, this month's Wayfinders scenario is sure going to be a scenario I think a lot of players will want to try out...
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Does anybody (at Paizo or elsewhere) have a copy of a correctly filled-out SFS chronicle sheet with the reputation/fame explained for one of these scenarios that deal with multiple factions (1-05 would be a great one). To me it's not obvious where GMs write the additional faction reputation ("+1 *insert faction* reputation" in the margin?). Also, for keeping track of multiple factions' different reputation, we have three Faction: _________ Reputation: __|__ slots and then an infamy slot. There are currently five factions, and if a PC plays every scenario they'll have reputation for all five, so what/where should they be keeping track of that information? Or are the factions on the sheet just for the factions in the scenario?
Keeping track of different faction reputation is one of the most confusing book-keeping things about SFS because it's 1) different from the PFS system, and 2) I can't find any annotated examples of somebody doing it the right way. Any help?
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For the Reputation: __|__, the number before the vertical line is how much Reputation the PC had in that faction coming into the session, and the number after the vertical line is how much they have into the faction after the session is complete. So, it might look like: 6/8 if they had 6 coming in and gained 2 more.
I agree with you that only having room for three factions on each Chronicle is annoying. Perhaps that's the intended limit on the number of factions any individual scenario will award Reputation for? It might necessitate flipping to older Chronicles to see the current Reputation with other factions not listed on the newest sheet.
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For the Reputation: __|__, the number before the vertical line is how much Reputation the PC had in that faction coming into the session, and the number after the vertical line is how much they have into the faction after the session is complete. So, it might look like: 6/8 if they had 6 coming in and gained 2 more.
I know this is the consensus online, but it's not actually what the SFS guide says.
It says players fill out their faction info and how much reputation they have. It later says the GM fills the gray area of the Fame section and repeats this number plus bonus below in Section X.
Direct quotes Pg. 14 Step 1:
"Each player should also list the factions for which her character earned Reputation during the adventure (V) and her current Reputation with those factions (W)."
W is the first blank under Reputation. V is the section for the factions name
Pg. 14 Step 3:
"Enter the number of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. Repeat this process for the character’s Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X)."
L is the shaded section under fame and X is the second blank under Reputation.
So per the guide a player who starts with 6 reputation and gained 2 would have the following on their chronicle sheet.
Wayfinders 6/+2
or maybe even 6/+2 and GM initials
There really needs to be a filled out example from the Organized play staff setting the record straight.
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For the Reputation: __|__, the number before the vertical line is how much Reputation the PC had in that faction coming into the session, and the number after the vertical line is how much they have into the faction after the session is complete. So, it might look like: 6/8 if they had 6 coming in and gained 2 more.
I know this is the consensus online, but it's not actually what the SFS guide says.
It says players fill out their faction info and how much reputation they have. It later says the GM fills the gray area of the Fame section and repeats this number plus bonus below in Section X.
Direct quotes Pg. 14 Step 1:
"Each player should also list the factions for which her character earned Reputation during the adventure (V) and her current Reputation with those factions (W)."W is the first blank under Reputation. V is the section for the factions name
Pg. 14 Step 3:
"Enter the number of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. Repeat this process for the character’s Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X)."
L is the shaded section under fame and X is the second blank under Reputation.
So per the guide a player who starts with 6 reputation and gained 2 would have the following on their chronicle sheet.
Wayfinders 6/+2
or maybe even 6/+2 and GM initialsThere really needs to be a filled out example from the Organized play staff setting the record straight.
In my lodge, we've been doing it the same way as Jhaeman's example. We've interpreted "update the field for the appropriate faction" to mean that you enter the total end reputation amount. But I can also see how you arrived at your interpretation.
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I've seen it done 4 different ways. Entire regions do it one way and you go to a different area and that entire area is filling it our differently.
Until there is an official statement from the organized play leaders confusion reigns on this issue. An example is really needed to set the record straight.
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I suspect this is something I'll be revisiting in the next month or two, as we begin to pin down all the necessary errata/clarifications required for the next version of the guide.
Similarly, I can understand the request to have more than two faction lines on future Chronicle sheets. This was all something that came out of us having to design Chronicle sheets around the same time we were working on rules, which also coincided with when we were determining scenarios. (We hadn't really considered multiple faction mission scenarios until later in the game, which messed up a bit of the spacing on Chronicle sheets.)
I'll keep this under advisement for my internal updates and officially clarify when I can.
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Since you will be reviewing it, I would like to express my personal preference for the GM clearly showing how much reputation was gained during the scenario.
For someone with a Dataphiles Champion boon slotted in a scenario where they also got bonus in Wayfinders, the GM would have something like:
(new total)
(new total)
Venture-Captain, Australia—NSW—Greater West
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So another question: in the above example where you have earnt:
Dataphiles +2
Wayfinders +1
What do you put in the reputation section of the chronicles sheet (in the section under experience earnt), is it two or three? I have been putting two, but now I am thinking it should be the total of all reputation, including the bonus for other factions.
What do people think?
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Since you will be reviewing it, I would like to express my personal preference for the GM clearly showing how much reputation was gained during the scenario.
For someone with a Dataphiles Champion boon slotted in a scenario where they also got bonus in Wayfinders, the GM would have something like:
(new total)
(new total)
How do you keep track of the beginning and ending reputation?
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Venture-Agent, Minnesota—Minneapolis
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How do you keep track of the beginning and ending reputation?Since you will be reviewing it, I would like to express my personal preference for the GM clearly showing how much reputation was gained during the scenario.
For someone with a Dataphiles Champion boon slotted in a scenario where they also got bonus in Wayfinders, the GM would have something like:
(new total)
(new total)
I ask them what their beginning value was (off their previous chronicle) and do the math. The beginning value doesn’t show up.
I would rather the amount earned be clearly visible. Math errors happen, but it is much less common for someone to write down the wrong amount earned.
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For the Reputation: __|__, the number before the vertical line is how much Reputation the PC had in that faction coming into the session, and the number after the vertical line is how much they have into the faction after the session is complete. So, it might look like: 6/8 if they had 6 coming in and gained 2 more.
I know this is the consensus online, but it's not actually what the SFS guide says.
It says players fill out their faction info and how much reputation they have. It later says the GM fills the gray area of the Fame section and repeats this number plus bonus below in Section X.
Direct quotes Pg. 14 Step 1:
"Each player should also list the factions for which her character earned Reputation during the adventure (V) and her current Reputation with those factions (W)."W is the first blank under Reputation. V is the section for the factions name
Pg. 14 Step 3:
"Enter the number of Fame earned in the shaded Fame Gained field (L) and initial the adjacent box. Repeat this process for the character’s Reputation and update the field for the appropriate faction (X)."
L is the shaded section under fame and X is the second blank under Reputation.
So per the guide a player who starts with 6 reputation and gained 2 would have the following on their chronicle sheet.
Wayfinders 6/+2
or maybe even 6/+2 and GM initialsThere really needs to be a filled out example from the Organized play staff setting the record straight.
That's not how I read it at all, I read it as saying that box X should be the final reputation, "update the field
for the appropriate faction (X)." Does not say to me that X should be the reputation gained as that would not be an updated amount that would be a gained amount.|
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A lot of DMs simply aren't going to check and record starting amounts. Its a genuinely annoying amout to keep track of, especially online.
Something as simple as ____|___|____ would let the DM fill in the middle number with a +1 or +2 and leave either the dm (if they're being deligent) or the player (if the dm isnt, which lets be honest is far more likely) fill in the start values.
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A lot of DMs simply aren't going to check and record starting amounts. Its a genuinely annoying amout to keep track of, especially online.
Something as simple as ____|___|____ would let the DM fill in the middle number with a +1 or +2 and leave either the dm (if they're being deligent) or the player (if the dm isnt, which lets be honest is far more likely) fill in the start values.
I just ask for starting rep in the faction of the faction boon and any bonus faction reps when I ask for day job rolls, haven't felt any additional annoyance with it in the 15 games I've run online or 13 I've run face to face.
That being said, I don't think any of my GMs in the 25 games I've played both online and in person have done this, some have tried to do it but usually end up writing "0 | 2" or something equally inaccurate.
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A lot of DMs simply aren't going to check and record starting amounts. Its a genuinely annoying amout to keep track of, especially online.
Something as simple as ____|___|____ would let the DM fill in the middle number with a +1 or +2 and leave either the dm (if they're being deligent) or the player (if the dm isnt, which lets be honest is far more likely) fill in the start values.
I like this idea.
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I just ask for starting rep in the faction of the faction boon and any bonus faction reps when I ask for day job rolls, haven't felt any additional annoyance with it in the 15 games I've run online or 13 I've run face to face.
Not sure how you're doing that unless you have a second monitor up with 5 chronicles open or something.
That being said, I don't think any of my GMs in the 25 games I've played both online and in person have done this, some have tried to do it but usually end up writing "0 | 2" or something equally inaccurate.
They're probably writing in the amount added. I think.
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Not sure how you're doing that unless you have a second monitor up with 5 chronicles open or something.
I ask people to post their day job, SFS number, faction and starting rep in that faction in the roll20, I copy it into a notepad and have the notepad up while I fill out the chronicles. Its no different than what I'd do if I just had the day jobs and the SFS numbers.
They're probably writing in the amount added. I think.
Looking through its mostly 2 | [blank] so they're just writing the amount earned.
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Not sure how you're doing that unless you have a second monitor up with 5 chronicles open or something.I ask people to post their day job, SFS number, faction and starting rep in that faction in the roll20, I copy it into a notepad and have the notepad up while I fill out the chronicles. Its no different than what I'd do if I just had the day jobs and the SFS numbers.
Every time i try to get people to do that they leave things out, start chatting about other stuff, do other rolls, and its scrolling through 5 pages to get the info so... yeah . no. +2 . Blip. done.
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Something as simple as ____|___|____ would let the DM fill in the middle number with a +1 or +2 and leave either the dm (if they're being deligent) or the player (if the dm isnt, which lets be honest is far more likely) fill in the start values.
Per the Guide, it is the players job to fill out the beginning values. It is same with PFS. The problem is that for the sake of saving time, a lot of GMs don't make the players fill out the beginning value, they just put in what the GM needs to put to and trust the player will do everything correctly.
No reason for me go more because I know I am in the minority by making players follow the Guide in PFS and likely for SFS as well.
But still, the players should be filling out the beginning values for everything including factions.
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Regardless of whether GMs are being diligent or not, I'd like to echo the suggestion of three lines ( ____|____|____ ). Given how many different interpretations there were for the two lines, it would be great to be able to clearly record [u](incoming)|(earned)|(outgoing)[/u]. I've been adding a third blank to do this when I fill in chronicle sheets, because both as a player and a GM it's nice to be able to quickly reference the final total in each faction on a chronicle sheet.