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Liz is understanding to peter at the end because 1) she has bigger things to put it in perspective and 2) she can't blame peter for getting scared off by a "dad talk" from an actual supervillian, which is probably what she think happened to peter.
"what did he threaten to do? Beat you up? Shoot you?
"pick me up in his robot bird suit carry me up to 20,000 feet and drop me over a parking lot...
"..goddamit.
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I like those...
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Point is that Peter is allowing Flash to bully him. He could snap him like a twig. He's the better man.
I agree he does not fear him so much as being the better.
Edit: He hates Peter because Peter is smarter and despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness, he's granted the top spot on the decathlon and Flash is there as a backup, and all he had to say was "i wanna do it". Flash is decidedly not as smart as Pete (he got a lot of answers wrong, and peter didn't and he wasn't even trying to pay attention). He's jealous. Plus he's probably into Lisa and she only has eyes for Pete.
I do admit that is another part of the movie I did not like. Peter Parker despite his flakiness and general untrustworthiness get's a free pass because of it. Then again the script calls for him to get a free pass so no surprise.
Why do you care so much that I dislike some aspects of the movie. I have not told anyone here or elsewhere not to go see it. I gave it a good score a 8/10 despite what I feel were flaws. I know it's a very hard concept for some here to understand. Not everyone has the exact opinion like you do on a topic. Either respect that or move along and don't waste other people time. I'm not apologizing for how I feel about the movie.did they turn down your spider man homecoming script or something?
there's disliking aspects, then there's writing entire diatribes on the thing you dislike. Then again, I could go on for hours on my anti whedon theories, so there is that. I think you are taking my criticism of your criticism a bit too seriously.
there's disliking aspects, then there's writing entire diatribes on the thing you dislike. Then again, I could go on for hours on my anti whedon theories, so there is that.
So let me get this straight because I give my honest opinion about I'm a movie it's a bad thing. I mean really you went there. What do you think a honest opinion/review is. Just saying what a persons wants to hear.
Your post makes no sense imo I'm accused of writing entire diatribes. I admit sometimes I can make my post less wordy. Then in the same sentence say you can do the same. Makes a hell of a lot sense to me. No one forced you or anyone to read my so called "diatribes" or even respond to my posts.
I think you are taking my criticism of your criticism a bit too seriously.
Your trying to have your cake and eat it too imo. On one hand write a post that is guaranteed to get a reaction. The Internet equivalent of running your mouth. It gets a negative reaction. Like calling a person fat behind their bank they call you out on it. Then go "what I said was not serious..I was joking (nudge, nudge wink, wink). I have had posters respond to my posts about the movie. None of them on purpose tried to get a reaction out of me.
Don't like a post or thread. Don't comment or read the thread.
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Flash is more socially adept, and had the entire class calling him names. It's a different kind of bullying, and it works
I still wish they would have had a smart "jock" who was socially adept. Today they are usually both.
there's disliking aspects, then there's writing entire diatribes on the thing you dislike. Then again, I could go on for hours on my anti whedon theories, so there is that.
So let me get this straight because I give my honest opinion about I'm a movie it's a bad thing. I mean really you went there. What do you think a honest opinion/review is. Just saying what a persons wants to hear.
Your post makes no sense imo I'm accused of writing entire diatribes. I admit sometimes I can make my post less wordy. Then in the same sentence say you can do the same. Makes a hell of a lot sense to me. No one forced you or anyone to read my so called "diatribes" or even respond to my posts.
I think you are taking my criticism of your criticism a bit too seriously.
Your trying to have your cake and eat it too imo. On one hand write a post that is guaranteed to get a reaction. The Internet equivalent of running your mouth. It gets a negative reaction. Like calling a person fat behind their bank they call you out on it. Then go "what I said was not serious..I was joking (nudge, nudge wink, wink). I have had posters respond to my posts about the movie. None of them on purpose tried to get a reaction out of me.
Don't like a post or thread. Don't comment or read the thread.
you are going a bit overboard, don't you think?
Saw it.
It was good, but I'm getting to really be over "hero can't manage normal life and hero life at the same time" story lines. It's like tv/movie writers for super heroes can't get past this concept and think it's the only way to make them feel "real". Probably one of the reasons Captain America's movies have been better than many others, we don't have to suffer through the main character trying to be two people, we get to see him as a single complete person who navigates through problems with a consistent approach.
After this and Birdman, Michael Keaton really needs to be cast in more movies. There were a couple lines of dialogue or scenes that could have been adjusted slightly, but overall he's the best MCU villain to date IMO.
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Wow, I men, sheesh, when are people going to stop using tropes in literature? It's so 3rd century b.c.e and all
Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I forgot to get my dispensation for "not liking a thing" from the opinion police.
you are going a bit overboard, don't you think?
I'm not the one who decided to try and get a reaction from a poster. Then pretends they can't understand why that might just might elicit a negative response. I'm done with someone trying to push my buttons and thinks I won't notice. Keep quoting my posts in this thread as much as you like. I'm not responding to you anymore.
I kind of see what Irontruth point is as they kind of went overboard imo with Peter Parker wanting to be Spider-man 24/7 365 days a year. As soon school finished or whenever he had free time and nothing else to he was out as Spider-man. there is being a superhero and wanting to live that character twenty-four hours a day. Part of me wonders if perhaps the character is also a adrenaline junkie. Addicted to the thrill of the hunt of capturing villains. The others movies seemed to have more of a mix of a personal life and superhero life. Even in the comics he spent more time as Spider-man yet knew when to stop and smell the roses.
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I kind of see what Irontruth point is as they kind of went overboard imo with Peter Parker wanting to be Spider-man 24/7 365 days a year. As soon school finished or whenever he had free time and nothing else to he was out as Spider-man. there is being a superhero and wanting to live that character twenty-four hours a day. Part of me wonders if perhaps the character is also a adrenaline junkie. Addicted to the thrill of the hunt of capturing villains. The others movies seemed to have more of a mix of a personal life and superhero life. Even in the comics he spent more time as Spider-man yet knew when to stop and smell the roses.
He is a brilliant kid who is bullied in school and is bored by his classes because he isn't challenged by them. Of course he is going to be out as Spider-Man as much as possible, it's escapism for him. Out there he gets to be a superhero helping people, getting positive feedback and being cool.
He is a brilliant kid who is bullied in school and is bored by his classes because he isn't challenged by them. Of course he is going to be out as Spider-Man as much as possible, it's escapism for him. Out there he gets to be a superhero helping people, getting positive feedback and being cool.
Good point yet the other movies to me at least had the character trying to get some kind of social life out of costume. The Homecoming version to me looked like a addict missing his fix. For example I play rpgs to escape from the mundane of everyday life. I'm also not living my life completely immersed in them
Seriously, being Spider-man would be awesome. By far one of the most fun power sets around. It's really kind of amazing he can stand to go walk around on the ground like normal people. :)
Even when you're not actually hunting villains, just swinging around town, walking on walls and hanging around upside!
Agreed and seconded on all points. Maybe because I'm older and have more responsability yet for him to want escape so completely into the character he would need to reveal his secret identity to at least those he cares about. Whatever love interest he ends up with is not going to be too happy with a invisible boyfriend/husband who is never around. I'm not saying it's not fun. It would be a blast. If I was Spider-man I still have a family to take care off and godfather to a nephew. I can't be out joyriding all the time even if my powers make it a blast. I found that missing in the movie.
It'd be nice to see the trope be something other than "Always Letting People Down."
An even worse example was Daredevil season 2, IMO. In that, DD is always screwing over the people closest to him, like blatantly screwing them over. They get mad at him, and I agree with them, they should be mad at him. It made me question the value of him as a main character, because I actively stopped caring about this a&*#%~$ who doesn't seem to give a shit about others. He says he does, but his actions prove he doesn't.
Peter isn't nearly that bad in this one, but it's a lot of the same syndrome, he's just given better excuses for his action.
I guess part of the problem is that a comic-book movie doesn't do justice to deep conflicts within a character, and so dealing with them on a surface level feels unsatisfying. The trope has potential, but a movie needs to actually explore the trope, not just regurgitate it.
I did still enjoy the movie though.
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It's not just a matter of Pete enjoying being Spider-Man (although he clearly does)
At the start of the film, Pete is obsessed with becoming an Avenger. He's planning on dropping out of school and being a full time super hero. He spends all day being Spider-Man because that's the only way he knows how to impress Tony Stark.
The whole point is that Pete isn't living a balanced life. He's striving too hard toward the wrong goals. They intentionally don't show him taking some time to have a life outside of Spider-Man (until later in the film) because that would muddle his story arc.
And by the time he has a family to be responsible for, I'd expect him to have let them in on the secret.
Maybe not to a high school crush though.
Then again who knows who may know his secret identity already. He does a terrible job sometimes trying to hide it. Goes into his room makes sure not to check if anyone is there. Tries his old costume and leaves the door wide open for another character to catch him in the act.
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Well, yeah. He's 15.
you are going a bit overboard, don't you think?I'm not the one who decided to try and get a reaction from a poster. Then pretends they can't understand why that might just might elicit a negative response. I'm done with someone trying to push my buttons and thinks I won't notice. Keep quoting my posts in this thread as much as you like. I'm not responding to you anymore.
flagging And moving on.
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Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
a working class kraven? I don't know if that would work.
a working class kraven? I don't know if that would work.Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
I enjoyed the Amazing Spider-man 2 game's version of Kraven. Which of course MAY have been lifted from Ultimate Spider-man comic... I don't remember. Basically the star of the Ultimate Hunter Reality show. That was a neat take on him... that I could actually see happening in real life.
Heck... I don't like Reality shows OR Hunting... but if a man wanted to routinely wrestle lions and Rhino's to the ground I'd certainly turn in!!!
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a working class kraven? I don't know if that would work.Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
I enjoyed the Amazing Spider-man 2 game's version of Kraven. Which of course MAY have been lifted from Ultimate Spider-man comic... I don't remember. Basically the star of the Ultimate Hunter Reality show. That was a neat take on him... that I could actually see happening in real life.
Heck... I don't like Reality shows OR Hunting... but if a man wanted to routinely wrestle lions and Rhino's to the ground I'd certainly turn in!!!
now THAT is interesting...an evil Scott Irwin. Crikey!
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Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
AZ, you're gonna think I stalk you in these threads. However, I was just talking to one of my friend about how cool it would be for Kraven to have a tiny cameo in the upcoming Black Panther movie, and then show up in SM2.
AZ, you're gonna think I stalk you in these threads. However, I was just talking to one of my friend about how cool it would be for Kraven to have a tiny cameo in the upcoming Black Panther movie, and then show up in SM2.Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
thaaaaaat would be interesting.
But I think kraven is just too b list for black panther. Then again, why not butch the dude up a bit?
Yeah I'm talking about a super tiny cameo, like maybe he's on a TV screen in the background for 15 seconds or something. (If they go the "Reality TV Hunter" way) or maybe he's part of some rogue hunting group that crosses into Wakanda mistakenly and they all get beat down by the Panther.
Too "b list" for Black Panther, but not for Spider-man?
Seems weird.
Spiderman's always had a bit of silly, which includes a lot of C or further down the alphabet villains.
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AZ, you're gonna think I stalk you in these threads. However, I was just talking to one of my friend about how cool it would be for Kraven to have a tiny cameo in the upcoming Black Panther movie, and then show up in SM2.Saw it tonight with the wife. Although I thought a few things were off, overall I really enjoyed it.
Mostly, I thought the characters of MJ and Flash were what was off about the movie. They worked well, of course, and were well done in both writing and acting. However, the differences between movie and comic were a bit off-putting for me. Still, like I said, they worked well enough.
Keaton was great as Vulture. And they way they worked he and his crew (and their tech) into things was really good. It fit well into the world they built.
All in all, I look forward to what they might come up with for the next one. Personally, I'd love to see Kraven.
thaaaaaat would be interesting.
But I think kraven is just too b list for black panther. Then again, why not butch the dude up a bit?
Indeed, that would be interesting. However, I shall disagree with the esteemed young Mr. Freehold regarding the alpha-numeric listing of Kraven.
There's not great and then there's stilt man
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Lady stilt man is awesome.
Whatever actor/actress they use to play Stilt-man/Woman they need to get the CGI perfect. If not perfect at least decent.
If nothing else, his neck tattoo should be an indicator.
There's not great and then there's stilt man
We've already seen part of Stilt Man's armor in the MCU:
Mac Gargan is scorpions real name and yes that character should end up as scorpion. I love the actor choice for him.
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If anything, it's less of a thing in the movies than in comics. The movies have had less emphasis on secret identities and on even having a "day job".
Spiderman pretty much started that trope.