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The invisibility will be obvious for anyone on the other side, but that is beside the point. This is not about stealth.
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This is one of those wonky questions that GMs may rule differently from game to game.
By RAW, a door is an object, and invisibility can be cast on any object so long as it doesn't exceed the weight limitation (100 pounds per level of caster). Most interior doors do not weigh more than 100-200 pounds. Massive fortress doors may be too heavy for low level casters.
The question becomes if a door attached to a structure is considered a separate object. With different GMs, your mileage may vary.
Great idea though, fool opponents into running into solid, invisible doors - or simply spying what is awaiting you.
A related question:
If I were to cast invisibility on a 100 gp gem and toss it somewhere, would it lose invisibility from hitting the ground?
My idea is to cast it on the gem, then cast magic jar and put my soul in the gem. Then have someone else toss the gem near a group of enemies.
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Dropping an item only makes it visible if the Invisibility spell is cast on you, the holder of the item. If the object is the target of the spell, then it doesn't care whether anyone's holding it. It stays invisible.
Under what circumstances would you want to toss your gem into a group of enemies though? Magic Jar has a range of over 200ft, and most of the time, you buddies wouldn't be able to throw such an object anywhere near that far. Also, if you do end up that far away, what happens to you if, in the ensuing scuffle, your gem gets kicked away and falls in a crack or hole? None of your friends will be able to see where it landed and they'll have a pretty hard time finding it, even after the invisibility wears off, depending on terrain.
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You can absolutely do both of these things.
A GM who rules that a door is a wall is being deliberately obtuse.
Dropping an item only makes it visible if the Invisibility spell is cast on you, the holder of the item. If the object is the target of the spell, then it doesn't care whether anyone's holding it. It stays invisible.
Under what circumstances would you want to toss your gem into a group of enemies though? Magic Jar has a range of over 200ft, and most of the time, you buddies wouldn't be able to throw such an object anywhere near that far. Also, if you do end up that far away, what happens to you if, in the ensuing scuffle, your gem gets kicked away and falls in a crack or hole? None of your friends will be able to see where it landed and they'll have a pretty hard time finding it, even after the invisibility wears off, depending on terrain.
I wasn't planning on using it as a standard tactic. The idea is we're about to head into a castle, and I believe there is merit in potentially throwing the invisible stone over the castle walls. That way I can possess someone on the inside.
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So if I cast invisibility on your sword in a scabbard does just the sword go invisible or do you too?
Cast on attended object. It would only turn the sword invisible assuming the the swords attender (the one wearing it) failed the save.
If I cast invisibility on myself, does my gear become invisible?
Cast on creature. Yes. Per the spell.
Edit: I legitimately and non-sarcastically don't understand why this is a question.
Heck I'd allow a player to cast invisibility on an individual brick in a wall to create a window. A door seems like no problem at all.
Serious walls would be more than 1 brick thick. But it could potentially work on a regular house type brick wall.
I don't know if I would allow it on a single brick in a wall or not. It has never been brought up before.
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A door is obviously not a wall. If I try to sunder a thick wooden door and the GM declares if has stone hardness because it's part of the wall there's a problem. It's a separate object and a this is a legitimate, colorful use of the spell that obviously works both ways as any chance of surprise by either side is gone. I can imagine the Barbarian who held his turn in order to attack the 1st thing through the door (I doubt he has spell craft to ID the effect, and the party wizard/cleric are about to announce the spell, but simply decide otherwise seeing the Barb charge =) Ahhh, good times...
As for the gem question, invisibility is only dropped when the object is used for an attack. The Magic Jar attempt would qualify, but simply being thrown over a wall would not. I was going to say you might need See Invisibility, but line of sight is not a prerequisite to enter the gem so I see no problems at all with this approach other than you may attempt to dominate a stray dog, or the street urchin, rather than Guard_NPC_027 since you don't know whats on the other side of the wall at all.
A related question:
If I were to cast invisibility on a 100 gp gem and toss it somewhere, would it lose invisibility from hitting the ground?
My idea is to cast it on the gem, then cast magic jar and put my soul in the gem. Then have someone else toss the gem near a group of enemies.
It may be required that you are able to see the gem in order to use it for magic jar (though that's trivial to get around with a see invisibility if your of sufficient level to be casting magic jar).
I think it's technically within the rules, but I don't know that I'd allow it as a GM as I don't think it's within the spirit.
Are there any spells that do something similar to this and at what spell level?
invisible walls and doors still block line of effect.
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I think it's technically within the rules, but I don't know that I'd allow it as a GM as I don't think it's within the spirit.
Are there any spells that do something similar to this and at what spell level?
+1 against the spirit.
See Through Stone is a 4th level Druid spell, so this is a full 2 spell levels early.
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I think it's technically within the rules, but I don't know that I'd allow it as a GM as I don't think it's within the spirit.
Are there any spells that do something similar to this and at what spell level?
+1 against the spirit.
See Through Stone is a 4th level Druid spell, so this is a full 2 spell levels early.
Gloves of Reconnaissance, and I think a Cleric domain provides this ability, as well.
I believe nosig has a party who use this tactic regularly.
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So…if a 9th level Mountain Druid (immune to petrification) under the effect of Life Bubble were swallowed whole (4-point evolution) by an Eidolon that subsequently had Flesh to Stone cast on it, would they be allowed to concentrate on casting See Through Stone on the Eidolon? What if the Summoner cast Invisibility on their Eidolon? Since the Eidolon's an object now, would the Druid be visibly hanging, contorted, in mid-air?
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invisible walls and doors still block line of effect.
So, do you mean that say I make an invisible door and then a wizard tries to throw a fireball through the door (that he can't see) with a point beyond the door and the spell simply fails, or does it work but then the bead of the fireball hits the door and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM the wizard and his friends get barbecued?
It seems to me it would NEED to be the latter, otherwise how do you tell a player they can't target that spot because... what... ? What do you tell them?
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If the bead hits an object it explodes.
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If the bead hits an object it explodes.
Right, I know that but if an invisible door still blocks line of effect, can you still target past the door, not realizing that the door is going to prematurely detonate the Fireball, or do you have to tell the player You cannot target that orc, but I cannot say why. You just can't. is what I am asking
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If the bead hits an object it explodes.Right, I know that but if an invisible door still blocks line of effect, can you still target past the door, not realizing that the door is going to prematurely detonate the Fireball, or do you have to tell the player You cannot target that orc, but I cannot say why. You just can't. is what I am asking
No!! you let him target that orc! that's what illusion spells are for! for foooooolin' fools!
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If the bead hits an object it explodes.Right, I know that but if an invisible door still blocks line of effect, can you still target past the door, not realizing that the door is going to prematurely detonate the Fireball, or do you have to tell the player You cannot target that orc, but I cannot say why. You just can't. is what I am asking
Even if you can see someone and something like a wall of force(also invisible) is in the way, that does not change anything. You aim the bead to where you want it to detonate. However if it hits something it explodes. Most spell targeting just makes someone a victim. With fireball you have to send the bead to them. You can even make attack rolls if shooting it through a small space.
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So if I cast invisibility on your sword in a scabbard does just the sword go invisible or do you too?Cast on attended object. It would only turn the sword invisible assuming the the swords attender (the one wearing it) failed the save.
If I cast invisibility on myself, does my gear become invisible?Cast on creature. Yes. Per the spell.
Edit: I legitimately and non-sarcastically don't understand why this is a question.
just to add my 5 cents:
Gear of invisible person becomes invisible, BUT :
* dropped item becomes visible
* items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature
so :
* your own sword is invisible
* if you're disarmed, the sword becomes visible
* picking it back up does not make it invisible
You can't target specific enemies with magic jar
Under what circumstances would you want to toss your gem into a group of enemies though?
Understood, but normally, you'd keep your gem off to the side, out of harm's way. Whether you're 15ft away or 150ft away doesn't change the effectiveness of the spell, just the odds of losing/damaging your gem.
Ganryu's example of tossing the gem over a wall is an interesting one. Not really useful underground, but a legitimate tactic in some locations.
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One of my favorite ideas for a trap is a long, sloping hallway that has an invisible wall with spears (also invisible) sticking out of it. When the PCs enter the hall, a portcullis slams shut, and the rear wall, on rollers and with illusions over 'slots' for the spears to go into, starts rumbling after them. Mind, there are gaps in the wall of spears for someone to get through...but it's a nasty surprise. Plus, the spears aren't making attack rolls on people who run into them, so they shouldn't lose their invisibility (though blood drying on them might).
Edit: Illusions over slots, not invisible.
Very Grimtooth, that trap.
Cool ideas! I'd say yes, you can.
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No!! you let him target that orc! that's what illusion spells are for! for foooooolin' fools!If the bead hits an object it explodes.Right, I know that but if an invisible door still blocks line of effect, can you still target past the door, not realizing that the door is going to prematurely detonate the Fireball, or do you have to tell the player You cannot target that orc, but I cannot say why. You just can't. is what I am asking
I am soooooo going to troll my players with this.
You can't target a creature with fireball. It is an area of effect. ;)
You can choose a specific target with magic jar, and that specific target is "one creature," per the spell (the fact that you might not be able to tell who is who is besides the point). :P
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I am soooooo going to troll my players with this.No!! you let him target that orc! that's what illusion spells are for! for foooooolin' fools!If the bead hits an object it explodes.Right, I know that but if an invisible door still blocks line of effect, can you still target past the door, not realizing that the door is going to prematurely detonate the Fireball, or do you have to tell the player You cannot target that orc, but I cannot say why. You just can't. is what I am asking
Then, after they fall for that trap, have all the other hallways in the rest of the dungeon show the same enemy party but via silent image. They'll be like "we know there's a door there" whereas in fact, there's an actual enemy party or monster right behind the silent image... when they detect magic they'll even see the illusion school, for further foolin'...
The invisibility will be obvious for anyone on the other side, but that is beside the point. This is not about stealth.
Depends entirely on the kind of door, though experience tells me you're going to have a bit of a difficult time finding a working 'door' that isn't connected to the greater whole of the building somehow. If this is a sheet or curtain draped over an entrance and is only fastened at a few points on top, that seems like it would work. For just about any other scenario, though, hinges and whatnot would really make the door a feature of the building to which it's attached.
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a spell is not an object
mist is not an object
fog is not an object
gases are not objects... liquids are not objects... objects must be in solid form to be objects
Not quite sure I agree...a puddle of water should be an object IMO.
I would say that an object must be contiguous so something as ephemeral as fog would be a no-go.
I mean, if you have an invisible ice cube and it melts I would think the resulting water would still be invisible.
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The real question is, can you defeat obscuring mist or fog cloud by making it invisible?
I sincerely hope this is an attempt at humor.
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Is fire an object? 'Cause you can shrink it with the shrink item spell. Could you target gases/air with the spell for similar reason?