The rules where you can rebuild your character at level two made me think about figuring out who is the toughest level one to exist. A character who doesn't plan to see level 2, and goes all in investing for level one. A character who shows up to a table where everyone wants to play up, and the character assures everyone not only should they not worry about you, but you might be carrying the team.
What do you think is the best level one build that has no concern for the future, and is pfs legal?
The Porter the first level character bought with prestige?
Unless you're going slow track, it's hard (not impossible) to get 5 PP to buy the porter and still be 1st level.
There's a build around here somewhere with a 20 AC and high HP someone used to play up until 2nd level and rebuild before 2nd into the actual character, but my search-fu is weak tonight.
Not sure about the build you're referring to, but I have a L1 Tank Fighter Build I use sometimes, especially for crunchy tables of all new players...
I put it together when trying to figure out how to build a slightly moronic defensive fighter. He's got 21 AC & 21 HP at 1st...Adolphus Brigg, Gentle Giant
AL NG
STR 16
DEX 13
CON 18 (includes +2 racial bonus)
INT 8
WIS 9
CHA 10
HP: 21 (10hp base, +4 HP for CON, +6 HP for tribal scars, +1 HP for favored class)
AC 21 (+6 armor, +1 dodge, +1 dex, +3 shield)
Skills: Climb 1 rank, Profession (Soldier) 1 rank
Traits: Defender of the Society (+1 armor in Med or Hvy Armor), +1 (usually shield bearer or wary of danger)
Feats:
1st L ~ Dodge
Human ~ Tribal Scars (Raptorscale)
Fighter-1 ~ Dodge
Equipment:
Heavy Steel Shield
Scale Mail
Long Sword
Bardiche
Cold Iron Dagger
Alch. Silver Light Mace
Pathfinder's kit
Cooking Kit
Flint & Steel
Flask of Acid
Sling
Toughest? Human Barbarian with a 20 con, Toughness, favored class (HP), and Tribal Scars. 27 HP at 1st level, 29 while raging. Best I can come up with off the top of my head.
Well I am a big fan of unarmed fighter with crane wing at level 1. I have never done it though because I don't play characters until at least level two. Barring a desperate situation at a Con to make a table fire.
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A human tattooed sorcerer can show up with a 5d4+5 burning hands at first level.
20 CHA
Bloodline: Draconic or orc
1st Level: Spell Focus(Evocation)
Human: Spell Specialization(Burning Hands)
Tattooed Sorcerer: Varisian Tattoo(Evocation)
Gifted Adept(Burning Hands)
A human tattooed sorcerer can show up with a 5d4+5 burning hands at first level.
20 CHA
Bloodline: Draconic or orc
1st Level: Spell Focus(Evocation)
Human: Spell Specialization(Burning Hands)
Tattooed Sorcerer: Varisian Tattoo(Evocation)Gifted Adept(Burning Hands)
Tattooed sorcerer can not get dual blooded they both change features of the same class feature.
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A human tattooed sorcerer can show up with a 5d4+5 burning hands at first level.
20 CHA
Bloodline: Draconic or orc
1st Level: Spell Focus(Evocation)
Human: Spell Specialization(Burning Hands)
Tattooed Sorcerer: Varisian Tattoo(Evocation)Gifted Adept(Burning Hands)
Tattooed sorcerer can not get dual blooded they both change features of the same class feature.
Reread the post, he suggested one bloodline or the other, not both.
Of course a crossblooded orc/dragon could have 4d4+8 burning hands at first.
Reread the post, he suggested one bloodline or the other, not both.
Of course a crossblooded orc/dragon could have 4d4+8 burning hands at first.
Ohh yes thank you for correcting me
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If you don't want to "waste any gold", I suppose you could just go Oni-spawn barbarian with adopted (orc) and tusked trait, maw and claw option on the Tiefling, and go all naked, clawed barbarian.
In fact, since everyone can rebuild, I think everyone should just be this at level 1: 6 naked, raging oni-spawn living off the land, each with 3 attacks doing 1d4+9 - that's a party output of 18d4+162 damage/round! (let's just call it 207).
(I suppose, for decency's sake, they could all spring for kilts and boots.)
Well, all characters get a free set of clothing...
That's true, but half a dozen oni-spawn barbarians walking into town need to at least cut some kind of punk-anthem silhouette, hence the kilts and boots (ideally, whatever Golarion's version of steel-toed Doc Martens are).
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Hmmm.
Looked back over what I typed, the #'s are right, but the 2nd "Dodge" should read "Shield Focus".
Copy paste errors for-the-d'oh!.
-TimD
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Ledford's Bane is the toughest 1st level build. Ever.
Add Pesh from Adventurer's Armory into the mix. 42 Hit Points at Level 1 anyone?
Bonus: If you are really going the distance with Maximum Hit Points (no retraining for Hit Points or special boons and the like), here are the two layouts to Level 12:
Barbarian 12:
27 - Level 1 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness, Tribal Scars) [27]
13 - Level 2 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20) [37]
13 - Level 3 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20) [50]
14 - Level 4 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [64]
14 - Level 5 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [78]
14 - Level 6 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [92]
14 - Level 7 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [106]
14 - Level 8 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [120]
14 - Level 9 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [134]
14 - Level 10 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [148]
14 - Level 11 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [162]
14 - Level 12 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [176]
48 - Raging (Raging Vitality Feat) [224]
36 - Belt of Constitution [260]
12 - 4/8/12 [272]
15 - Pesh (Temporary) [287]
Barbarian 11/Alchemist 1
27 - Level 1 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness, Tribal Scars) [27]
13 - Level 2 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20) [37]
13 - Level 3 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20) [50]
14 - Level 4 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [64]
14 - Level 5 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [78]
14 - Level 6 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [92]
14 - Level 7 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [106]
14 - Level 8 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [120]
14 - Level 9 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [134]
14 - Level 10 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [148]
14 - Level 11 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [162]
11 - Level 12 (Alchemist, CON 20, Toughness) [173]
48 - Raging (Raging Vitality Feat) [221]
36 - Belt of Constitution [257]
12 - 4/8/12 [269]
24 - Alchemical [293]
15 - Pesh (Temporary) [308]
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My two go-to picks without regard for anything other than murdering skills (the bad will saves can be tragic in some first level content, fair warning if you choose to copy / paste for a game):
Human Sorcerer [Crossblooded] 1
Hp 8; AC 12, touch 12, f-f 10; Init +2; SV Fort +1, Ref +2, Will -2
Abilities: Str 7, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 13, Wis 7, Cha 20
Skills: Acrobatics +3, Bluff +9, Perception +2, Use Magic Device +9
Feats: Spell Focus (evocation), Spell Specialization (burning hands)
Traits: Gifted Adept (burning hands), Precocious Spellcaster (burning hands, daze)
5/day 5d4+10 burning hands (DC 17)
Equipment: 2 potions of cure light wounds, potion of mage armor
Human Fighter 1
Hp 13; AC 19, touch 13, f-f 16; Init +3; SV Fort +4, Ref +3, Will -2
Melee lucerne hammer +7 (1d12+7); +6 (1d12+10) w/Power Attack
Abilities: Str 20, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 7, Wis 7, Cha 7
Skills: Acrobatics +4
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (lucerne hammer)
Traits: Defender of the Society, Heirloom Weapon (+1 trait bonus on AoO)
Equipment: scale mail, lucerne hammer
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I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. Those Poor, Poor GMs....GMing those level 1 games...
GM: The boss attacks the barbarian *Rolls* "Critical Hit for 17 Damage"
Player 1: "Still Standing"
GM: "What? How many Hit points do you have!?"
Player 1: "27!"
GM: "Eew, okay. Sorcerer, you're up!"
Sorcerer: "I cast Burning Hands!"
GM: "Rolling Reflex. I assume a 16 Passes"
Sorecerer: "Nope! You take full damage of..." *Rolls* "22 Damage"
GM: ;_________;
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Ledford's Bane is the toughest 1st level build. Ever.Add Pesh from Adventurer's Armory into the mix. 42 Hit Points at Level 1 anyone?
Bonus: If you are really going the distance with Maximum Hit Points (no retraining for Hit Points or special boons and the like), here are the two layouts to Level 12:
"Rukk never use Pesh. Drugs cloud the mind, and a leader needs a clear head.
Cao Phen, did you forget about Greater Rage at level 11? And increasing your Constitution as you level?
Also, if you get Diehard, then you can add your Constitution score to your effective HP. Combine with a ring of ferocious action for maximum effect. The best combats are the ones where you teeter a dozen HP from true death.
And what a glorious death it would be."
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I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. Those Poor, Poor GMs....GMing those level 1 games...
GM: The boss attacks the barbarian *Rolls* "Critical Hit for 17 Damage"
Player 1: "Still Standing"
GM: "What? How many Hit points do you have!?"
Player 1: "27!"
GM: "Eew, okay. Sorcerer, you're up!"
Sorcerer: "I cast Burning Hands!"
GM: "Rolling Reflex. I assume a 16 Passes"
Sorecerer: "Nope! You take full damage of..." *Rolls* "22 Damage"
GM: ;_________;
Combine with 2 PP worth of combat trained tiger after your first scenario for maximum facepalm.
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Combine with 2 PP worth of combat trained tiger after your first scenario for maximum facepalm.I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. Those Poor, Poor GMs....GMing those level 1 games...
GM: The boss attacks the barbarian *Rolls* "Critical Hit for 17 Damage"
Player 1: "Still Standing"
GM: "What? How many Hit points do you have!?"
Player 1: "27!"
GM: "Eew, okay. Sorcerer, you're up!"
Sorcerer: "I cast Burning Hands!"
GM: "Rolling Reflex. I assume a 16 Passes"
Sorecerer: "Nope! You take full damage of..." *Rolls* "22 Damage"
GM: ;_________;
Meanwhile, the newbie with the Ezren pregen goes:
"Uh, I guess I use Hand of the Apprentice? On the corpse? Oh..."
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If you want to be useful and not just survive playing up - I think that a beefy bard with the extra performance rounds feat would be the way to go.
You can get an AC of 20ish - decent HP, and help out by buffing. Just stay near the back and chuck javelins when it comes to the fight.
edit: and you can always buy a bison to fight for you (CR4) for cheap (50 gold)
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Ledford's Bane is the toughest 1st level build. Ever.Add Pesh from Adventurer's Armory into the mix. 42 Hit Points at Level 1 anyone?
Bonus: If you are really going the distance with Maximum Hit Points (no retraining for Hit Points or special boons and the like), here are the two layouts to Level 12:
"Rukk never use Pesh. Drugs cloud the mind, and a leader needs a clear head.
Cao Phen, did you forget about Greater Rage at level 11? And increasing your Constitution as you level?
Also, if you get Diehard, then you can add your Constitution score to your effective HP. Combine with a ring of ferocious action for maximum effect. The best combats are the ones where you teeter a dozen HP from true death.
And what a glorious death it would be."
Greater Rage has been applied to the Rage Hit Points calculation (48 = 24 base + 12 Greater + 12 Raging Vitality)
Ability points to stats are marked as "4/8/12"
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Gotcha. The main section just confused me.
14 - Level 4 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [64]
14 - Level 5 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [78]
14 - Level 6 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [92]
14 - Level 7 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [106]
14 - Level 8 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [120]
I was expecting the "HP gained each level" column on the left to increase by 1 at level 8.
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I'm just saying if I am seeing a caster doing that kind of burning hands damage at my table, 5 archers with long bows suddenly target the player.
You you could audit the character at creation and say no instead of a targeted "rock's fall everybody dies". One is upfront and acceptable. The other is being a passive-aggressive jerk.
This was for PFS anyway, so you are locked to the scenario.
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I'm just saying if I am seeing a caster doing that kind of burning hands damage at my table, 5 archers with long bows suddenly target the player.
This conversation began for PFS specifically, but was moved.
In a home game you just ask the player to tone it back to a level you are more comfortable with. In PFS, a good GM rolls with it and keeps the story and session moving. A bad GM makes attempts to "correct" the players wrongbadfun.
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yah, but i don't wanna play with that guy.
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Gotcha. The main section just confused me.
I was expecting the "HP gained each level" column on the left to increase by 1 at level 8.14 - Level 4 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [64]
14 - Level 5 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [78]
14 - Level 6 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [92]
14 - Level 7 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [106]
14 - Level 8 (Barbarian, Favored Class, CON 20, Toughness) [120]
Ah, no worries. I had separated it at the bottom for out of the base advancements to Hit points from Level 1 onwards.
As a tidbit, I had pretty much a similar character in a Reign of Winter homegame. Had Lesser Celestial Totem, Fast Healer, and Fey Foundling. Moreover, I had the Stalwart Feat chain. This also includes a Lifesurge Weapon with the Skin of Klendar the Troll King. DR 18/- with about 250 Hit points and regenerative Temporary Hit Points. Our healer was pretty surprised that a Cure Moderate can heal so much.
Well, if you wanna hit -really- hard at level 1...
Human Order of the Flame Cavalier [Gendarme], max STR
Feats - Mounted Combat
HBF - Ride-by-Attack
GBF - Spirited Charge
x3 damage on a charge, Order of the Flame's crazy damage boost stacking, and if you want to make your GM cry (or just turn enemies into red mist), use a Large lance instead of a medium one (while mounted, Lances are 1-handed).
my builds vary depending on what I wanna do:
toughest level 1 high ac character: monk. You can have a monk who clocks in at 19 AC (wis 18 +dex 18 +dodge feat). Good saves, good touch ac and only average ff ac. Add in mage armor (750 for a wand, assuming you have someone at your table who can cast it).
toughest level 1 HP character: 20 con dwarven unbreakable fighter, which gets endurance and diehard for their 1st level bonus feat. with Toughness and favored class thrown in, you only have 19 HP, but you can keep going into negatives (to -20 to be specific). add in the fact that you can be wearing heavy armor and thus less likely to be hit, and you're incredibly robust.
toughest level 1 arcane caster: bard. they fight about as well as a fighter of the same level for 4+cha mod times a day (triple that with lingering performance). can heal themselves, get unique abilities and some interesting defensive things. plus the can contribute outside of combat, which is always a boon.
toughest level 1 divine caster: Druid. cause shileleigh is a thing.
I don't understand why this was moved to advice when this is to discuss pfs.
I am playing a level one only game tomorrow and might do one of these.
I can't find the racial trait "tusked" to use with the adopted trait. Any help?
