
captain yesterday |

captain yesterday wrote:You'll notice I only do it when it's a light hearted topic and people interject politics or social issues :-)
And if you're using the word Ironic in a sentence aren't you legally required to link it to Alanis Morrisette:-D
No, because she used it wrong in almost that entire song.
In any case, I'm surprised you don't have some Galactus the thread-eater or J Robert Oppenheimer destroyer of threads alias yet.
I confess, no idea who those are :-)

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Except you don't 'decide' what is normal normal is a statistical fact. Statistical facts aren't biased.
It doesn't make the people, who aren't normal or standard worth any less but they are not standard or normal by definition. Part of the problem a lot of people have is the insistence on certain shibboleths on what you are allowed to say or call things which constantly keep changing. As soon as you get used to using one the entire quiltbag is dumped over, the words changed and you become a bad person again unless you learn whatever the new term of the moment is. Most people aren't going to bother to keep up with that. Sorry, however much you might want them to, it isn't going to happen.
Getting rid of blatantly offensive terms is one thing starting to declare everything offensive and trying to wholesale change the language is something entirely different.
First off, old line: Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Second, it depends the sense of normal you are using.
Take being a southpaw. The norm is to be right hand dominant. That does not mean that being left hand dominant isn't normal.
The word normal is heavily overloaded, and that is part of why the norm is more commonly used than normal in statistical contexts.

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I've got a great idea, how about we give them all symbols to wear on their clothes, so you can identify your "nonstandard" folks from a distance?
How about we round them up into their own special section of town, so you can know where they all are?
Better yet, how about we take all the "nonstandards" and ship them off to a camp by train, so you don't have to deal with them at all?
Hell, while we're at it, how about we gas them, shoot them, work them to death, experiment on them, and torture them?
"Nonstandard"
We've heard talk like that before.
Never again.
Thank you for Godwining the thread.
I hope you're prod of yourself, you monster.

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Rynjin wrote:Y'all is a legitimate contraction y'all.
Even some language experts agree the English language needs a proper 2nd person plural.
What about thee and thine? English has a 2nd plural pronoun, "you" and the older "ye," but for some odd reason "you" has stolen the spot for 2nd plural subjective and two forms of 2nd singular, "thee" and "thine."
So why not put them all back where they belong?
English had different words for singular and plural 2nd person, much like many other languages.
In the vast majority of those languages, the use of one or the other (or both) took on additional connotations. French, for example, uses 'tu' if the speaker is talking to a friend/child/pupil, but 'vous' if talking to a (singular) adult superior, social 'better', stranger, etc. The use of the two terms stops being merely about singular/plural and gains all sorts of other meanings.
In England, calling an adult 'thou', despite being the correct singular term, became a pejorative. In a court case, the sentence, "I 'thou' thee, thou traitor!", was used to Sir Walter Raleigh, to make it absolutely clear that he was worthy of insult.
So the singular form eventually died out, though at different times in different places. In Sheffield, within a generation ago, a mother might beat her child for saying 'thou' to her, even though she says it to him. "Tha's not 'thou' me! Tha 'you's me!"
So, I guess I shun those who wonder why English 'doesn't have a 2nd person plural', and wants to invent one.

thejeff |
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Its kind of sad that everyone seems to want to discuss their topic du jour on every thread, even when the thread has nothing to do with what they want to talk about. Maybe we do actually need "on topic police."
OT: I really dislike the art style in the core books. Especially goblins.
Not on every thread, but this thread is particularly prone.
Someone says something they think they'll be shunned for and other people want to discuss it. Shouldn't be surprising. It's barely even off topic.I'm not fond of the art style either, though the goblins don't particularly bother me. The character designs especially are too busy for me.

Simon Legrande |
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Simon Legrande wrote:I confess, no idea who those are :-)captain yesterday wrote:You'll notice I only do it when it's a light hearted topic and people interject politics or social issues :-)
And if you're using the word Ironic in a sentence aren't you legally required to link it to Alanis Morrisette:-D
No, because she used it wrong in almost that entire song.
In any case, I'm surprised you don't have some Galactus the thread-eater or J Robert Oppenheimer destroyer of threads alias yet.
For this, you ought to be shunned until the end of your days. There is no excuse for this.

Simon Legrande |

The fun of this topic isn't reading a dull list of shunning ideas. No the fun thing about this thread is the mini debates that spring up in the wake of each shun. Even a moderator joined in. THAT is what the topic is all about.
It would actually be more interesting if it didn't always lead to someone saying "Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
Edit: I don't know if you can rightly call two groups of people screaming at each other a debate.

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3) I don't think the Gunslinger is broken
It still amazes me that people call other classes broken, when the Wizard was broken in the Core Rulebook, and every book since then has broke it even futher.
The gunslinger isn't even remotely broken using those standards. Nor are 99% of 3PP products.

Aranna |

Aranna wrote:The fun of this topic isn't reading a dull list of shunning ideas. No the fun thing about this thread is the mini debates that spring up in the wake of each shun. Even a moderator joined in. THAT is what the topic is all about.
It would actually be more interesting if it didn't always lead to someone saying "Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
Edit: I don't know if you can rightly call two groups of people screaming at each other a debate.
With the exception of Captain Yesterday I certainly didn't read it as two groups yelling at each other. Oh sure some passionate words were used but I read them in a friendly tone.

thejeff |
Simon Legrande wrote:With the exception of Captain Yesterday I certainly didn't read it as two groups yelling at each other. Oh sure some passionate words were used but I read them in a friendly tone.Aranna wrote:The fun of this topic isn't reading a dull list of shunning ideas. No the fun thing about this thread is the mini debates that spring up in the wake of each shun. Even a moderator joined in. THAT is what the topic is all about.It would actually be more interesting if it didn't always lead to someone saying "Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
Edit: I don't know if you can rightly call two groups of people screaming at each other a debate.
Agreed from the other side of the table.
Edit: In a thread like this, it's best to keep them to a mini-debate, not spiral into a thousand post week long argument.

thegreenteagamer |

I confess I read past the first definition in a dictionary, and am capable of identifying that ironic has more than one proper use, regardless of what people may think due to English being an evolving language.
Until I see those exact same people only ever saying prithee, ye, nay, yonder, verily, and every single archaic word that has since evolved into newer ones such as please, yes, no, there, truly, etc, I will continue to use ironic to mean "wryly amusing due to an unexpected poetically just scenario", because it's a lot shorter to type.

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Simon Legrande wrote:With the exception of Captain Yesterday I certainly didn't read it as two groups yelling at each other. Oh sure some passionate words were used but I read them in a friendly tone.Aranna wrote:The fun of this topic isn't reading a dull list of shunning ideas. No the fun thing about this thread is the mini debates that spring up in the wake of each shun. Even a moderator joined in. THAT is what the topic is all about.
It would actually be more interesting if it didn't always lead to someone saying "Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
Edit: I don't know if you can rightly call two groups of people screaming at each other a debate.
Agreed completely.
Confession: I like everybody I've interacted with on the Paizo forums. Without exception. Whether I agree with them in any particular discussion or not.

TheRedbulljackandCokegamer |
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I confess I read past the first definition in a dictionary, and am capable of identifying that ironic has more than one proper use, regardless of what people may think due to English being an evolving language.
Until I see those exact same people only ever saying prithee, ye, nay, yonder, verily, and every single archaic word that has since evolved into newer ones such as please, yes, no, there, truly, etc, I will continue to use ironic to mean "wryly amusing due to an unexpected poetically just scenario", because it's a lot shorter to type.
Bro! Ye need gander hither at the fine lass bringing alcoholic nourishment over yonder, I shall call to her verily and seek carnal discourse... Dude! Prithee! she said nay!...

TheAlicornSage |

Blackvial wrote:3) I don't think the Gunslinger is brokenIt still amazes me that people call other classes broken, when the Wizard was broken in the Core Rulebook, and every book since then has broke it even futher.
The gunslinger isn't even remotely broken using those standards. Nor are 99% of 3PP products.
What makes you think the wizard is broken?

Scythia |
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Aranna wrote:Simon Legrande wrote:With the exception of Captain Yesterday I certainly didn't read it as two groups yelling at each other. Oh sure some passionate words were used but I read them in a friendly tone.Aranna wrote:The fun of this topic isn't reading a dull list of shunning ideas. No the fun thing about this thread is the mini debates that spring up in the wake of each shun. Even a moderator joined in. THAT is what the topic is all about.
It would actually be more interesting if it didn't always lead to someone saying "Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Now you see the violence inherent in the system!"
Edit: I don't know if you can rightly call two groups of people screaming at each other a debate.
Agreed completely.
Confession: I like everybody I've interacted with on the Paizo forums. Without exception. Whether I agree with them in any particular discussion or not.
You're a better person than I, in more than one way.

Simon Legrande |

thegreenteagamer wrote:Bro! Ye need gander hither at the fine lass bringing alcoholic nourishment over yonder, I shall call to her verily and seek carnal discourse... Dude! Prithee! she said nay!...I confess I read past the first definition in a dictionary, and am capable of identifying that ironic has more than one proper use, regardless of what people may think due to English being an evolving language.
Until I see those exact same people only ever saying prithee, ye, nay, yonder, verily, and every single archaic word that has since evolved into newer ones such as please, yes, no, there, truly, etc, I will continue to use ironic to mean "wryly amusing due to an unexpected poetically just scenario", because it's a lot shorter to type.
My troubles number ninety and nine, but the females be not amongst them.

thegreenteagamer |
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*BRETHEREN, THOU NEEDEST gander hither at THINE fine lass bringing alcoholic nourishment over yonder, I SHALT CALLETH to her verily and SEEKITH carnal discourse... Dude! Prithee! She SPOKETH nay!...
*MINE TREVAILMENTS number ninety and nine, but the females be NARY amongst them.
Take it from a dude who's read a lot of KJV, much to his chagrin as a youth.
Verily.

Simon Legrande |

I think this thread has lost all of its momentum without the political derails.
Oh well, sometimes good things need to come to an end, or they become the Simpsons.
Yea, verily. Perhaps we must wait until the morn for some good fellow or lass to lay forth a new topic upon which we might heap our scorn.

thegreenteagamer |
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Thou dost speaketh falsitudes, for verily, if we keepeth hope and press onward in this time of trevailment we shalt inherent a promised reward of rebirth, not of flesh, and not of spirit, but yay, of topic and discourse.
Or, should that fall victim to circumstance, for salutorial consulation thine captain of before today shalt not pour his wrath and vengeance upon our people, who are called by Paizo's name.

knightnday |
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Confession: I consider the amount of damage one can do one of many elements of a character, not unlike MPG for a car. It's one of the things I look at, but I don't base my decision solely on that one aspect. Often, I might overlook it entirely for something else that interests me like leather seats or heated drink cup holder.

RDM42 |
Confession: I consider the amount of damage one can do one of many elements of a character, not unlike MPG for a car. It's one of the things I look at, but I don't base my decision solely on that one aspect. Often, I might overlook it entirely for something else that interests me like leather seats or heated drink cup holder.
All of my characters have a heated drink cup holder. It's mandatory.

Simon Legrande |

Confession: I consider the amount of damage one can do one of many elements of a character, not unlike MPG for a car. It's one of the things I look at, but I don't base my decision solely on that one aspect. Often, I might overlook it entirely for something else that interests me like leather seats or heated drink cup holder.
And then you can split your heated drink cup holder into heated (drink cup holder) and heated drink (cup holder).