captain yesterday wrote:
I can do a spot on imitation of Spongebob Squarepants' voice, and Patrick, Mr. Krabs, Larry the Lobster, Plankton... any way the point is I've seen entirely too much Spongebob over the years:-)
But really, who hasn't?
Little kid: Those guys are dorks.
Too bad he's not from Cheliax. I suppose you could have a habit of always referring to Cheliax as Chillax.
There's always the standard issue exclamations: Chill! and Freeze!
When you're getting ready for a fight, tell the rest of the party to "Stay frosty."
Every time you kill something, mention how you "Iced him!"
Looks interesting. I've already started creating my own subclasses so I'll have to have a look at this before buying. I don't play outside of a local group of friends so I don't have a huge need for official material. Having said that, I won't be surprised if the group chips in to buy a copy or two.
I still have the issue where they introduced the werelagomorph (wererabbit) and the tin golem (old school toy soldiers). The April issues were the best.
I'm with you on that. Kingmaker was an interesting idea poorly executed.
What you did there, I see it.
I fail to see how B [given that you said you didn't mind] and C were boot-worthy. Concerned he'd end up hospitalized or dead mid-campaign and disrupt the story?
None of us are doctors and our limited knowledge of diabetes made us concerned that drinking a 6 pack of soda over four hours might not be a great idea. The teeth thing wasn't too bad except for the fact that he put them on the table.
So you've just decided that whoever comes after you automatically loses. Because you have an infinite number of explosive runes nukes stored somewhere that level 20 clerics are incapable of dealing with.
We had a guy that showed up for several sessions that:
A) Kept his laptop open and looked up every creature we got in combat with. "Just for curiosity, my character won't know anything."
B) Asked if we were ok with him taking his teeth out. When we said we didn't mind, he explained that he had diabetes and his false teeth were a bit uncomfortable.
C) Drank a 6 pack of Mt Dew at every session.
He stopped showing up before we had a chance to boot him.
How is Arkalion dealing with every 20th level cleric in existence? Surely clerics have stat blocks.
If gods have no power, why is Arkalion stopping souls from going to them?
If gods have no power, what ultimate goal does Arkalion hope to accomplish?
At this point, it seems like he's just doing what he's doing to be a jerk.
For the sake of context, could someone, preferably the OP, post a link to a thread where this actually happened, preferably the one that caused this one? I don't doubt that it did, I'd just like to see it in action.
Getting only one side is a bad way to evaluate a problem and, no offense, threads like this always give off a "somebody hurt my feelings, make them stop" vibe.
From page 167 - 168...
Lawful Evil: A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom he hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order, but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion.
Really? Trying to save people from hell "at all costs"? What group would that be?
It's possible that you could read what I put as a tongue in cheek response to the posters claiming they liked humans as antagonists because they could understand their motives.
My point was, if a human is running the game then every adversary is going to be human. Sure it might be a human interpretation of what an orc or a dragon or a vampire might think, but there's still a human sitting in the chair.
Now, if you could get your cat or dog to run the game, you'd see some pretty interesting results. However, I can tell you from experience that cats are great at rolling dice, but the story suffers a bit.
Simon's got it. [Which is amusing considering how often he and I disagree.]
I disagree with lots of people here. But like you I've been making an effort to not let things bother me so much and to step away if I don't think I can stay civil. If everyone thought the same things, the world would be a sucky place to live.
If the conversation looks like this:
Person 1: in my game, I've replaced rule X with XsubA
Person 2 is being an obnoxious a-hole. He made his point, the OP didn't agree with it, then he got all pissy about it. That, to me, seems pretty rude. And if I'm understanding kyrt-ryder correctly, that's what he's asking to have less of. That certainly seems like a reasonable request to me. You don't have to agree with the OP, but don't take a dump on the thread pushing your alternative.
You clearly don't see it this way, and morality is completely subjective, but as far as I'm concerned this behavior is utterly, disgustingly evil. The fact that governments operate this way doesn't suddenly make it not evil. And frankly anyone who doesn't see this as evil is pretty damn scary.
And doing it for your own gain, I might add, as you mentioned before about this character wanting to replace a God. Though how they haven't stopped this by now ..
This is what happens when a character is made at 20th level. If this character had been involved in any campaigns, I'd be willing to bet his own party would have killed him and destroyed his soul at level 5.
Establishing Order requires you to force your opinion on others. Now forcing your opinions on others *can* be Evil, but not inherently. Therefore, his actions (in this case) are Lawful. He is making them conform with good intentions.
I am completely gobsmacked how anyone could read this and not immediately think evil. This is as Hitleresque as you can get without actually being Hitler. Not only that, but this is straight out of the Sith handbook. This is the thinking of someone who should never, ever, ever, ever have the power to affect another person's life, ever.
There is really only one reason that what's being done is completely and utterly evil. That is, you are taking away a free thinking being's free will. There's no question that's exactly what is being done.
Edit: And denying souls to the outer planes so that your army of demon simulacra is all that's left...
You know, technically every antagonist is human. That is, unless your GM is actually a dragon or an undead or etc. Monsters are just masks that let humans express their darker side.
If you, Anzyr, actually believe this then I'll echo Kthulhu's sentiment in regards to your sanity. This is pretty much a textbook example of lawful evil behavior. This is the kind of person that is the BBEG in a campaign.
But whatever. Clearly you enjoy playing this and your GM lets you get away with it. I'll just be happy that you don't have the power to inflict your neutrality on the real world.
Choose to do things his way,give up their beliefs, and then if they say no you have your choice invalidated. An interesting way to describe self defense.
I know it's considered poor form on the Internet, but...
Following Anzyr's logic, you know who else was just engaging in self defense?
You don't really believe that's self defense, do you? I mean, really?
Just out of curiosity, have you looked at Dungeon World? One of the guys in our group threw some money at the Kickstarter so we got essentially a beta version of the rules and a few classes. It was a little too freeform for us so we didn't go far with it.
It looks to me like there are people who don't get that some people aren't capable of the same level of system mastery. Not everyone is a genius, hell not everyone is even above average. Some people are just flat out incapable of grasping the concepts.
Then there are the people who just want a casual game. Spending hours building a character is not their idea of fun.
That being said, Pathfinder is not really the best game for people in either of those groups to be playing. Especially if they're going to whine about everyone else being better.