So are we definitely getting WAR designed Iconics for the ten new classes?
Confirmed?
I asked WAR about this personally on Facebook, and even gave him some iconic suggestions. This is what he said:
Thanks for your suggestions Aaron. However, I'm not allowed to discuss current WiP projects with anyone. This is due to the NDA (Non-Disclosure Clause) in the artist's contract. Consequently, it's not really viable for me to take suggestions regarding the Advanced Class Guide from anyone other than the design team at Paizo. Sorry.
My guess is because he could not say anything means he will be involved.
So are we definitely getting WAR designed Iconics for the ten new classes?
Confirmed?
I asked WAR about this personally on Facebook, and even gave him some iconic suggestions. This is what he said:
Thanks for your suggestions Aaron. However, I'm not allowed to discuss current WiP projects with anyone. This is due to the NDA (Non-Disclosure Clause) in the artist's contract. Consequently, it's not really viable for me to take suggestions regarding the Advanced Class Guide from anyone other than the design team at Paizo. Sorry.
My guess is because he could not say anything means he will be involved.
Most excellent!
A catfolk iconic could be cool.
A catfolk iconic with a completely different body type from any of the varied designs we've seen so far would just be cruel. Funny, but cruel. ;)
The thing is that Wayne Reynolds does some of the coolest anthropomorphic character designs EVER, so I'd be totally down with that.
Plus Paizo allows Wayne to define so much of their art style, it makes sense that they would say to him, "Oh Wayne, end this petty dispute on the likeness of catfolk once and for all!"
If Wayne did do it, however, I'd be please. Most pleased indead.
A Suave, Zorro-esq Half-Orc Swashbuckler would be pretty awesome, and would play well against Half-Orc Stereotypes.
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She also has a real interesting backstory; her elven mom had a lengthy (by human standards) relationship with her human dad, but left them in a moment of capriciousness while Liri was young. I'm pretty sure it tied in to her fascination with stories of faeries and princesses and dragons and knights, which in Alkenstar are almost as fantastical as they are here.I know Seltyiel is the male half-elf, but who's the female half-elf?Lirianne, the iconic gunslinger.Ooh, she does have little points on her ears! I had not noticed!
That last part tied into what kickstarts her adventuring career are a big part of what makes her one of my favorites. Not only is she the iconic whose schtick is among those turning the most heads, but everything in the world is turning hers as well. She's a character in a fantasy world who still has an unjaded sense of wonder. :)
"Oh my gods you guys, look at that! :D"
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Bloodrager: Male Mwangi Bloodrager! As a counterpoint to Amiri.
Hunter: Female dwarf, or even better gnome! As a counterpoint to Harsk.
Shaman: Male human. As a counterpoint to Alahazra
Slayer: Male half-orc, or male half-elf. As a counterpoint to Merisiel
Warpriest: Male half-orc of Abadar/Gorum. As a counterpoint to Imrijka
Swashbuckler: Still sticking with a female Halfling, gnome or dwarf (cos a squat swashbuckler is cool and these races are under-iconiced) but a female counterpoint to Valeros might be more appropriate.
Mind you I'd also like to see a goblin or kobold vesrsion of every iconic.
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Shaman: Male human. As a counterpoint to Alahazra
More male divine caster goodness would be cool. The primary divine casters (cleric, druid, oracle) seem to be pretty heavily weighted towards the fairer sex.
Mind you I'd also like to see a goblin or kobold vesrsion of every iconic.
I haven't seen We Be Goblins 2, but if the trend of free We Be Goblins products continues, it's entirely possible that new parties of 4 goblin PCs could be introduced in those products, to make, after a few years, 'goblin iconics' for almost every class (instead of reusing Poog and the-others-who-are-not-Poog-and-therefore-I-do-not-care-about).
More male divine caster goodness would be cool. The primary divine casters (cleric, druid, oracle) seem to be pretty heavily weighted towards the fairer sex.
Not just the primary casters. Two out of three of the other divine casters (Imrijka, Harsk, and Seelah) are female, for 5/6 total.
I personally think that a male Mwangi would be perfect for the shaman, after all the mwangi religion is -shamanism- :)
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I think it's time for a Bloodrager Goblin iconic!
FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! ANKLE-BITE! ANKLE-BITE! ANKLE-BITE! AAAARRRRGGG!!!
This is my complete list...
Bloodrager: Dwarf Female
Hunter: Halfling Female
Shamen: Human Male (of obvious Shoanti heritage)
Slayer: Half-Orc Male
Warpriest:Human Male
Swashbuckler: I'll stick by my Red haired female Tiefling...but id they are going to be hard about core only races...Elf Female.
And one that was possibly teased at Dragon Con I believe...
Arcanist: Dwarf Male
After thinking about it for awhile, here's what I'd really like to see...
Bloodrager: Either a male half-orc (since we don't have one and the class would be a nice fit for the race) or a female dwarf (mostly because I think a female dwarf casting spells while raging would be pretty bad-ass).
Hunter: I think I'd have to go with a male human (probably Kellid or Ulfen) or half-orc.
Shaman: Female Shoanti Human, and as mentioned before, they could use the Shoanti in Varisia: Birthplace of Legends & Faiths & Pantheons (which I think would look pretty cool in Wayne's style).
Slayer: Female Halfling.
Warpriest: Male or Female dwarf.
Swashbuckler: Male Human (probably Chelaxian, Taldan, or Varisian) or Female Elf.
Erutaki Shaman seems a better fit than Shoanti to me...
Besides don't we already have a Female Shoanti Iconic?
Ah I always forget that Seoni is Varisian.
Female human or elf Swashbuckler, please.
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Ah I always forget that Seoni is Varisian.
To be fair, I don't think anyone told Wayne Reynolds that she was supposed to be a little bit Romani in appearance...
The artwork occasionally makes her look like a gender-swapped Raistlin (gold skin, white hair) borrowed an outfit from Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.
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Ah I always forget that Seoni is Varisian.The artwork occasionally makes her look like a gender-swapped Raistlin (gold skin, white hair) borrowed an outfit from Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.
The mental image...!
You are a horrible person, and I thank you for it!
Well I think she seems more to be of Varisian-Shoanti hybrid.
No, if you read the published description of Varisian in the ISWG, she falls squarely within their range. The difficulty is that none of the artists ever seem to portray Varisians as anything other than Romany-esque.
Well, except for the Tower Girls...
The difficulty is that none of the artists ever seem to portray Varisians as anything other than Romany-esque.
Why would you want to? Gypsies are hot! I want to look like a fantasy stylized gypsy!
Varisians are based on the Romany aren't they? And yeah she seems to have a bit of Shoanti in her.
Creative Director
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Ah I always forget that Seoni is Varisian.To be fair, I don't think anyone told Wayne Reynolds that she was supposed to be a little bit Romani in appearance...
The artwork occasionally makes her look like a gender-swapped Raistlin (gold skin, white hair) borrowed an outfit from Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.
In fact, we told Wayne "Make Seoni into a type of ethnicity that isn't immediately recognizable as a specific earth ethnicity; nearly white blonde hair and light olive colored skin with exotic eyes and strange tattoos" or something along those lines.
Not all Varisians should look like Tower Girls, in any event.
And absolutely not all artists paint a character alike—many of them end up giving Seoni white hair, for example, which isn't 100% accurate—compare Wayne's Seoni to his Merisiel (who DOES have white hair) and you can see the difference.
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In fact, we told Wayne "Make Seoni into a type of ethnicity that isn't immediately recognizable as a specific earth ethnicity; nearly white blonde hair and light olive colored skin with exotic eyes and strange tattoos" or something along those lines.
Bronze-ish skin and blonde-ish hair that don't resemble any natural ethnicity? We've discovered Seoni's darkest secret, she's part of the Jersey Shore tribe!
Hopefully she hides the accent well. :)
Hmm. 7 core races, 10 new classes. If they decided to go with 1 of each race, that leaves 3, which would more than likely mean 4 total humans, at the least. Seeing as there are already a large number of human iconics *grumble grumble*.
As for me, I would love to see:
female dwarf
male half-orc
male elf
female halfling
male-half-elf
another female half-orc (because the greenies don't get much love)
male gnome
and 3 humans I guess.
+1 for female dwarf.
They never get any love. :/
That said, I'm annoyed by the, "We can only use Core Races for our Pathfinder Iconics," stance, especially considering that the iconics supposedly fall in line with Golarion's racial deviations. Why?
Because they have to assume that any given group may only have the CRB and Bestiary 1 to draw upon.
Hmm. 7 core races, 10 new classes. If they decided to go with 1 of each race, that leaves 3, which would more than likely mean 4 total humans, at the least. Seeing as there are already a large number of human iconics *grumble grumble*.
As for me, I would love to see:
female dwarf
male half-orc
male elf
female halfling
male-half-elf
another female half-orc (because the greenies don't get much love)
male gnome
and 3 humans I guess.
I wouldn't mind at all of they stepped outside of the core races for the hybrid iconics....
Changeling Shaman...
Tiefling Slayer...
Orc Bloodrager..
Etc...etc...
The problem with non-core races is there are a lot of groups that only allow the core races for PCs. That means that group wouldn't be able to use the newer Iconics if they were non-core.
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No, no, no. There is an injustice that needs to be righted.
So the new iconics need to be ...
Ettin Bloodrager/Skald (one head is a Bloodrager, the other head is a Skald).
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Brawler: Male Gnome, Bald, Luchadore mask, Goes by the name "El Gnombre"
That is all I want.
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I'd want to see one of the melee martial classes represented by a gnome or halfling, no preference on gender. (Sorry, OSW.)
I'd love to see an Ekujae elf in any of them.
A scary badass female halfling slayer would be awesome.
I know she was only meant to be a one-shot and isn't a core race, but could The Powers That Be please, please, please consider making the tiefling cleric in the ARG (pg. 172)/Blood of Fiends (pg. 11) an (goodly-aligned) iconic? Investigator or Arcanist could be good fits, but any iconic slot would work.
Edit: And Chiwetel Ejiofor or Idris Elba as the iconic swashbuckler.
I think we need more humans. All human iconics. And they should be male, because we all know diversity is bad for business.
Honestly though, I like the humanocentric track they are on, it makes the fantastic races more exciting to see. I think at least half should be human, with a good spilt in male/female.
I am going to guess there to be an Ulfin human bloodrager or skald.
No more humans, elves, or half-elves.
Beyond that I don't care.
I am going to guess there to be an Ulfin human bloodrager or skald.
Ooo, I like that idea! I'm all for them exploring the ethnicities a bit more heavily. I love Ulfen after playing Skyrim and watching Vikings on History earlier this year :3
When the Creative Director says the Humans should out number the other races, I think it's gonna keep happening.
Female catfolk hunter
Male vanara shaman
Female dwarf warpriest
Female Halfling swashbuckler
Male nagaji bloodrager
Male half-orc brawler
Female samsaran arcanist
Male elf or half-elf investigator
Female goblin skald
Male tengu slayer
