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Aberzombie wrote:
Illinois fair: Dog-riding monkey races will go on despite protests

And nearby Freeburg high school athletes remain midgets despite objections.


Gars DarkLover wrote:
Dementrius wrote:
When you can't read, this sign apparently means "No Boomerangs"
To be fair, it is an easy to make mistake there, with the shape of the arrow.

It makes sense to me.


Actually we are all a computer simulation created in the '70s. We ran out of food then. Or maybe it was '60s.


Crystal Frasier wrote:

I don't think anyone in the trans community questioned for a second if the millionaire white woman with TV contracts and easy access to Hollywood surgeons would transition well.

I'm happy she's happy.

Don't forget the photoshopping. It wouldn't be the first time for that magazine.


102. An Ent named Group.
103. The planet.
103. 1000 Peregrines.


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Scythia wrote:

A slight deviation, instead of a website that might be a Poe, this time it's a website detailing something that might have been a Poe.

Saga of the Mall Ninja

I think I use to work with this guy. I had a coworker that participated in every combat action in the world between Viet Nam and Desert Storm. Every one, and it didn't matter who was fighting, he was there. Usually getting shot.


Not playing four Commoners, then you should be fine.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

25,000gp is 500 lbs of gold, which is 8,000 oz of gold, which means, at the $1,194 per oz current gold price, that 25,000gp is equivalent to 9.55 million dollars.

So that's the cost of a True Res... that's the worth of a life for those who have perished in ways where the body is not really recoverable. This means this is for the rich indeed. And the heroes... well... they better mean something to a well funded cause or temple... ;)

This one sold 10 millions, so you could say that's what you need for True Resurrection. Extremely rare (on Earth, anyway) so you might want to have a house rule that you need 25,000gp worth of diamonds (not a single diamond worth that... ;) )

Except that these prices were set in the early '70s when Gold was $100 an ounce or less.
that's the beauty of gold, or land: their value never change... it's the money's value that changes. One ounce of gold in the 70's is exactly one ounce of gold now.

If you want to compare it to real world pricing, then you need to use the conversion rate when the prices were set, because the game systems haven't taken inflation into account. Plus you can't convert with 16 oz. to the pound, because gold, silver and other precious metals use the Troy weight system, where one normal pound is 14.5833 ounces. Add in the fact that the original D&D gold pieces were 1/10 of a pound.

So when the books were written, 1 gp was worth about $87.50. so a 25,000 gp diamond was worth about 2.2 million dollars. So at $2000 a carat in 1972 prices, the diamond would be about .45 pounds, and rank 3rd or 4th on the list of largest diamonds ever found.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

25,000gp is 500 lbs of gold, which is 8,000 oz of gold, which means, at the $1,194 per oz current gold price, that 25,000gp is equivalent to 9.55 million dollars.

So that's the cost of a True Res... that's the worth of a life for those who have perished in ways where the body is not really recoverable. This means this is for the rich indeed. And the heroes... well... they better mean something to a well funded cause or temple... ;)

This one sold 10 millions, so you could say that's what you need for True Resurrection. Extremely rare (on Earth, anyway) so you might want to have a house rule that you need 25,000gp worth of diamonds (not a single diamond worth that... ;) )

Except that these prices were set in the early '70s when Gold was $100 an ounce or less.


A Pony's carrying capacity is 7.75 gallons, usually beer, or about 66 lbs.


Diamonds are overpriced in the real world, there is a near monopoly that keeps them that way.


Ansibelle wrote:
Cyrad wrote:
To be fair, if a cat had human intelligence, it could very well murder a human quite easily in their sleep. The only thing that bothers me is that a cat has 3 hit points whereas a rat and a bug (greensting scorpion) have 4 hit points. What's up with that?

I am similarly bemused by the fact that in a fight to the death, a well-played Pathfinder squirrel will probably beat a cat. They both have 3 HP and do 1 damage per hit, and the cat has 3 attacks, so it sounds like it should be easy for the cat - but the squirrel is a size category smaller and has 2 more dex, so winds up at +4 to hit and +4 to AC relative to the cat.

Thus, the squirrel hits on a roll of 6+ while the cat needs a roll of 14+. Still, if they just stood and fought head to head, the cat would still win, on average, because of its three attacks. But wait - the squirrel has Acrobatics +6 while the cat has a CMD of 6. So the squirrel can attack and then tumble away with a guaranteed success every round, denying the cat the ability to make more than one attack per round, at which point the cat is pretty much screwed, even if it won initiative, because it is making 1 attack/round at a 35% to hit, and the squirrel is making 1 attack/round at 75% to hit.

Of course, no rational DM would ever fight a squirrel that way - they would just have it run to the nearest tree and climb-speed away - but it's pretty silly that it is possible.

Squirrel legend


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Cyrad wrote:
Maybe roll randomly to see if your alignment changes like the Nameless One. And while we're at it, why not a whole new name, too? Your human paladin can't keep calling himself Steve when he reincarnates as a chaotic evil female kobold.

Steve is a very popular name amongst female Chaotic Evil Kobolds.


Assuming the characters are not evil, have none of the Divine casters spells work any more. Everyone remembers that Paladins can fall, but no one remembers

PRD wrote:
A cleric who grossly violates the code of conduct required by her god loses all spells and class features, except for armor and shield proficiencies and proficiency with simple weapons. She cannot thereafter gain levels as a cleric of that god until she atones for her deeds (see the atonement spell description).

If they are Good or Lawful, or likely even Neutral it sounds like they have violated that.


Irontruth wrote:

His suspension was announced Feb 11th, so he was tested prior to that. It also isn't his first suspension, he's a repeat offender. It wasn't even his first suspension in the last 365 days. He also wasn't the only Colt player suspended this year.

Still, my primary point... if you're going to take a moral outrage stance on the under inflated ball purely because it's cheating (regardless of it's actual effect) you better apply your moral outrage to ALL cheating, which includes PEDs.

Since you keep coming up with defenses for the PEDs, you clearly are not applying your moral outrage to ALL cheating, making your moral outrage bereft of any real substance.

Lastly, in an individual sport, such as boxing, cycling (technically there are teams, but teams aren't awarded victories, individuals are), punishing the individual by removing victories makes sense. In team sports, unless the cheating is systemic and organized by the team as a whole, it's more effective to punish individuals. If you punish the team for individual cheating, then when an individual on each team cheats, you HAVE to make the determination of which cheating was more severe. Individual punishments mean you can mete out penalties on a per case basis allowing you to hit both offenders equally hard if necessary.

If you want to make the claim that your moral outrage is without bias, you need to apply it more evenly in your comments. So far, you are not.

Actually he was cut by the Colts on Feb 11, his suspension was announced on Mar 6. http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/03/06/former-colt-laron -landry-suspended-10-games-for-ped-violation/24528217/

The NFL, MLB, and other sports have defined penalties for PEDs, and Mr, Landry is learning about them (his next penalty is 2 years, if he ever plays again). I am not making excuses for their use, in fact the penalties are too light. Since I doubt a lifetime ban for a first penalty would fly, I would find acceptable 8 games for the first, 16 games for the second, and out of the league for a third. I also believe that all pro and college sports should test all players regularly.

You must have missed my earlier suggestion that the referee kick the entire offense out of the game. Since the underinflated balls presumably aided them all.

Systemic - 11 of 12 balls seems systemic
Penalty - all of the offensive ball carriers, and anyone else that would be handling the ball should have been kicked out of the game. Or the team forfeit.

Cheating doesn't need to be systemic, it just has to happen once to be punished. Sammy Sosa was caught using a corked once, he was ejected from the game, and suspended for 7 more games. All 76 of his other bats were clean. He said it was a bat he used in batting practice. One equipment violation, and he was ejected and then suspended.


Irontruth wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
If the NFL had any sense, they would just have declared the Patriots losers of the game against the Colts, and advanced the Colts to the Superbowl. No worries about who was cheating on the team, just that the cheating occurred.

Can you prove that no one on the Colts was cheating?

PED usage is considered cheating. Odds are, someone on every team is using something at some point. I'm not saying that cheating should be tolerated, but rather that punishments should be targeted at offending individuals.

Also, what scale does the cheating have to be for the team to get the loss? Are you suggesting ANY level of cheating? For example, should the league get rid of in game penalties and just go to automatic forfeiture?

Nope can't prove a negative.

You must have missed the part that a Colt player got popped on PED's on Feb 11th of this year. So, we know they can't prove it, because there's proof that it happened.

I can post some numbers for some defensive players if you like, you see it a lot with them. Particularly linebackers who get lots of sacks. If they test positive for PED's and get suspended, often times the next year their numbers drop off dramatically. Two high profile ones that come to mind are Shawn Merriman and Von Miller. Both saw roughly a 30% drop in their sacks and their forced fumbles basically disappeared. Both players were significant pieces of their team's defense, drastically influencing games.

The Seahawks led the league in PED suspensions the past few years. They often drop those players later on, who go to other teams and perform significantly worse.

While not football, we know PED's can greatly improve performance capability, Lance Armstrong being the poster boy.

Dollars to doughnuts, with increased scrutiny on the air pressure in the Brady's footballs, his completion % stays within 3 points this season.

He got "popped" on Feb 11, doesn't prove he was using on Jan 18. (He likely was, but that doesn't prove it.)

Whether the deflated balls gave him an advantage or not, it is still cheating. If I copy wrong answers off a classmate while taking a test, I am still cheating.

Calling Lance Armstrong the poster boy is kind of funny, since as near as I can tell all the pro cyclists cheat, usually by using some sort of PED. (The first Tour de France was in 1903, the first people caught cheating were in 1904.)


I want to see stuff that is UNIQUE to a class.

For example: Fighters use to be the only class that got Weapon Specialization.

Go back to giving classes something special that no other class can get.


I think what people are missing from posts, is that I don't care if it is Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Rams, Seahawks, or if it is Brady, Rogers, Manning (either). Even if it were my favorite team, I would want the NFL to do the same thing.


Irontruth wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
If the NFL had any sense, they would just have declared the Patriots losers of the game against the Colts, and advanced the Colts to the Superbowl. No worries about who was cheating on the team, just that the cheating occurred.

Can you prove that no one on the Colts was cheating?

PED usage is considered cheating. Odds are, someone on every team is using something at some point. I'm not saying that cheating should be tolerated, but rather that punishments should be targeted at offending individuals.

Also, what scale does the cheating have to be for the team to get the loss? Are you suggesting ANY level of cheating? For example, should the league get rid of in game penalties and just go to automatic forfeiture?

Nope can't prove a negative.

As for penalties, I suppose that they could have just kicked all the offensive players (minus the guards and tackles) out of the game for the Patriots.

This isn't a case of one player using a PED or stickum, or taping his uniform down, effectively the entire offense of the Patriots were cheating.

Penalties and other forms of cheating have defined punishments (yards, downs, even scoring a TD for the other team can be awarded). Most penalties are only semi-intential or even accidental, but in some cases where it is intentional or flagrant, the player is ejected (and usually fined). In this case the entire offensive team is cheating, so I suppose the refs could have ejected the entire offense.

While the NFL hasn't forfeited a game, MLB has forfeited games for various forms of cheating, including one game where the home team banned one of the umpires from entering the stadium, and others for deliberately delaying the game, or failing to leave the field. (Most MLB forfeits were the fans fault though.)


Why don't you find a wine snob forum and ask there?


If the NFL had any sense, they would just have declared the Patriots losers of the game against the Colts, and advanced the Colts to the Superbowl. No worries about who was cheating on the team, just that the cheating occurred.


Grease Spell.


Atarlost wrote:
Gilfalas wrote:
Memory may be betraying me but I think the Halfling names for themselves from Tolkein was Kuduk whilst the other races called them halflings or hobbits.

Close. They called themselves Kuduk. Other races called them halfling (in elvish) or Kud-Dukan or if they had business dealings with them, Kuduk. Hobbit is a product of the translation convention Tolkien used, being "modernized" from holbytla (old english translating Kud Dukan, which I think might be proto-Adunaic). They would have called themselves hobbits if proto-Adunaic were old English. Or maybe I'm mixing my mannish and the proto-Rohirrim shared linguistic roots with the people of Haleth rather than that of Beor and Hador that became Adunaic.

TL;DR If you think anything in Tolkuen's languages is relatively simple and comprehensible you're probably wrong. And I am way too much of a geek.

KingmanHighborn wrote:
Mighty Squash wrote:
The lazy naming all around is a bit bothersome, but I think I may be more bothered by catfolk existing at all (especially as a player race) than by their name in particular.

I could say the same thing about humans too, lazy name, and more infectious in a world then the bubonic plague.

That said Catfolk have just as much a right to exist in a world as elves and dwarves. And especially humans.

No, they really don't. They're a lazy anthropomorphism. Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, and the various oriental and Indian races have a mythological basis. If anthropomorphic cats and rats had a mythological basis Paizo would have used the mythological terms like they did for the Indian races that many people don't recognize.

Halflings and Orcs at least predate D&D and halflings can be justified by runaway sexual selection.

It's okay to have modern anthropomorphic races, but they're hardly in the "you can't have a wide market fantasy game without them" territory that humans and elves fall in, nor do they come with the respectability of Asian mythologies.

Larry Niven wrote about Kzin in the 60s, thus predating the 70s Dungeons and Dragons.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I specifically meant spending money on defending bad workers. Sorry if I was unclear. Although, it's true, arbitration cases can cost a lot.

But, again, I don't really see how this is pertinent to the thread, so I'm inclined (but no promises) to ignore further posts on the matter.

Sorry, I was putting all those expenses just for defending the bad members, not just the day to day operations.

the Jeff wrote:

Obviously, if the unions are bribing people, they should be busted for that.

I'm sure it happens. I doubt it's a significant expense these days. (Unions have cleaned up a lot since the mob days.)

Whom do you expect to investigate the unions? The members of the unions? Bribery and payoffs are they way the system works. The union (or business, or rich citizen, or anyone with a bit of cash) needs something done, they find the person/politician/government official, slip them some cash/campaign donation/booze/whatever and it gets done.

I highly suggest you check out the book http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/78ndq5ty9780252078552.html Corrupt Illinois. It's specific to Illinois corruption, but is pretty good for showing how the corrupt system works.

As for the unions cleaning up, two union officials managed to scam themselves 6 figure pensions from the State of Illinois for working 1 day each as a substitute teacher. (That is their only time working for the State.)


86. Road construction (or at least path) - Get a bunch of undead and have them march along where your road goes, enough of them will beat the ground into a smooth path.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:

You are calling for unions to come out and protest against police violence.

Police are part of the unions.
Therefore
You are calling for police to come out and protest against themselves.

(Note that in the US, the police unions have a long standing history of protecting bad cops. Stopping them from being fired, getting them reinstated with back pay, helping hide their criminal activities, etc.)

Arcane Marxist shiznit: Not that it's really pertinent to this thread, but, for the record, the standard commie line is that cops aren't workers, they are agents of the state. Therefore, police unions aren't workers organizations but, rather, professional associations of agents of the state.

I don't call on them to do anything. I agree with the points you raise in your parenthetical paragraph, as my previous posts indicate.

Quote:
It's unfortunate that the unions spend so much time and money protecting bad members.

In my experience, they spend a lot of time, but not so much money. I mean, the disciplinary meetings are on the employer's dime, not ours. [Details may vary from shop to shop]

Some of those cop unions are AFL/CIO, part of the same unions as the workers.

They spend the money too, hiring their lawyers, setting up press conferences, bribing various people, all sorts of expenses.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out what point Citizen Canockers is trying to make and what he thought he saw in the post to which he initially responded.

You are calling for unions to come out and protest against police violence.

Police are part of the unions.
Therefore
You are calling for police to come out and protest against themselves.

(Note that in the US, the police unions have a long standing history of protecting bad cops. Stopping them from being fired, getting them reinstated with back pay, helping hide their criminal activities, etc.)

It's unfortunate that the unions spend so much time and money protecting bad members.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I have been too busy dealing with personal drama and building for our May Day event to pay much attention to the Baltimore Uprising, but here's a neat-o Facebook page:

Baltimore Fightback

And here's some exciting news for lefties recycled from my Fun-Timey Revolutionary Socialism thread:

ILWU Dock Workers to Shut Port of Oakland & March on City Hall, South Carolina AFL-CIO Calls for Workers Solidarity Across U.S.: Unions to Mobilize on May Day Against Racist Police Killings

And here's some shameless socialist self-promotion:

Lowell, MA: May Day action against low wages and police terror!

which we originally initiatied in the wake of the April 15th low-wage workers protest, but quickly added to in light of the ILWU/SC AFL-CIO call for action.

Finish the Civil War!
Smash Racist Police Terror!
For Black Liberation Through Socialist Revolution!

You do realize that the Police are union members for the most part, especially those in the big cities.
Yes. Why do you ask?

So you want the police to go out and protest the police?


They get the Run Feat for free.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I have been too busy dealing with personal drama and building for our May Day event to pay much attention to the Baltimore Uprising, but here's a neat-o Facebook page:

Baltimore Fightback

And here's some exciting news for lefties recycled from my Fun-Timey Revolutionary Socialism thread:

ILWU Dock Workers to Shut Port of Oakland & March on City Hall, South Carolina AFL-CIO Calls for Workers Solidarity Across U.S.: Unions to Mobilize on May Day Against Racist Police Killings

And here's some shameless socialist self-promotion:

Lowell, MA: May Day action against low wages and police terror!

which we originally initiatied in the wake of the April 15th low-wage workers protest, but quickly added to in light of the ILWU/SC AFL-CIO call for action.

Finish the Civil War!
Smash Racist Police Terror!
For Black Liberation Through Socialist Revolution!

You do realize that the Police are union members for the most part, especially those in the big cities.


Wanna come back to my place and polish my staff?

I know Rary's Breast Enhancer.

I also know Rary's Telepathic Bondage.


43. Giant hamster wheel turner. Put a couple in a giant hamster wheel and have them walk, instant drive wheel for your mill.

44. Yarn holder.

45. Call center operator.


Green Smashomancer wrote:

"Hey babe, did you lose your summoner? Cause you look outta this world."

I'm not sorry. This thread needed to be necro'd for the good of the dating lives of wizards everywhere.

Wizards get dates?


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14) Materials testing. Animate a bunch of skeletons and have them walk back and forth on various materials to see which wears out first.


fictionfan wrote:

Can you use fabricate in order to make carbon nanofiber?

Can you use fabricate to make Plastics?

How about kevlar?

If so what would the craft DCs be?

Why would you want Kevlar? It's a fairly useless material in fantasy world, about the only thing it would provide a decent AC against is sling bullets.

Kevlar is a fabric made of thread, it is fairly easy to cut, and a knife will cut through it easily. It is difficult to break, which is why it stops bullets. I suppose it would make good rope or nets.


Baleful Polymorph, anything can become a worg.


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When my nephew was small, he couldn't say Chicago, it would come out as Codger. So we would watch the Codger Cubs, the Codger Bears, the Codger White Sox, etc on TV.


Definitely has to have Disguise as a class skill.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Once again, not technically my *kid*, but...

I was at our corner store for one of my 3-4 times a week trips, but this time I actually used a cart and filled 3 shopping bags with various foodstuffs. The wonderful checker (the owner's wife, I believe) started asking me about my family, and was appalled to learn there were only 4 of us, since we're in the store so often.

I pointed out that Impus Major is 14, weighs 85 pounds, and eats 3000-4000 calories a day. I pointed to the bag of stuff for him (two frozen dinners, two pints of tomatoes, an avocado, and half a gallon of milk) and said, "For example, he'll eat everything in that bag as soon as he gets home this afternoon."

She cocked her eyebrow at me, so I re-looked at the bag...
...and saw the six-pack of beer at the bottom...

This is funny S#$& my kid says, not funny S#$& I say.


80 Let them be called Thieves.


IIRC, and it's been a while since I played that, there is a staircase that goes from the caves, two external staircases, a hole or two in the floors.

There is no easy way to go between floors. It is a horribly designed base of operations. Apparently done on purpose to keep the peons and clergy separate.


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70a Rounds. I want to go back to where combat was each round is a minute. None of this, we killed a dragon in 6 or 12 seconds.


UnArcaneElection wrote:

^What, like this?

* * * * * * * *

For the odd-numbered stats problem (other than Carrying Capacity and Feats that have an odd-numbered threshold), probably better to look to the future. Like in Mutants in Masterminds, just get rid of what we currently call the ability score and keep (and use) the modifier instead.

No, in AD&D, female characters had lower maximum strengths than male characters.


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67. Sex based stat differences.

Spoiler:
OK not really.


It really depends upon whether your players have a brain or not. The group I am in are just starting Book 6, and we did a lot that the AP as written wasn't ready for. Unfortunately we have a new GM, so there was a lot that he wasn't ready for either. Before you start each each book, you need to read it thoroughly and keep in mind what your players do, and what the AP says happens.

We had cases where the AP said this happens at this time to surprise us, but we had thoroughly explored the area, so there shouldn't have been a surprise. (The critter that has been living for years in an area, isn't discovered by the party that explores they area, because it is supposed to surprise the party later.)

A lot of the AP is written as if the players are idiots, and won't do anything to prepare. Other parts are written as if the PCs will automatically do this, even though it is pretty stupid. So you as the GM have to be willing to handle things on the fly.


58. Not being able to spam out magic items.


26 Armor and Wizards (Sorcerers too) Want to stop that mage from casting spells? Just put some armor on him. No more casting for you!

27 Class Unique Stuff I want to go back to where classes actually had stuff that was unique to them.


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Cutlass wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Queen Moragan wrote:
As an Archeologist, I would say long enough for any relatives of the occupant of the tomb, that were alive whilst the occupant of the tomb was also alive, to be all dead.
That can be arranged.
True, but committing mass murder/genocide in order to fulfill that requirement would most definitely put one in the grave robbing category.

No, that puts one in the grave-filling category.


alexd1976 wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:

As written, they are NPCs, so start with NPC gear. After that... up to the group.

My group doesn't give extra to people with Leadership, it helps keep it under control... After all, from a players perspective:

"It isn't MY follower, why should I give him MY money?" :)

My reply to this has always been, "You're not my Leader, why should I cast a cure spell on you?"

If you aren't willing to share a portion of the treasure with my cohort, don't expect my cohort to help you.

A valid response I suppose... another part of why Leadership can be annoying, it affects players who DON'T take it negatively... in several ways.

The person who took the feat usually gives their cohort extra gear, the cohorts usually help. We haven't really run into a situation where a cohort has refused help simply because they aren't being granted a full share... I wonder how my players would deal with that...

For me, as a player, I wouldn't grant a cohort a share of the treasure, I would expect their leader to do it from their share. If the cohort didn't help the group, the group would no longer be expected to help the cohort. Things would degrade fast. I was merely talking about money. We always go to great lengths to keep cohorts alive in combat, we just don't give money to them unless they are OUR cohorts.

Cohorts normally get half shares (they are 2 levels lower) so in a party of 4, instead of getting PCs getting 1/4 (25%) of the treasure, they get 2/9 (22%).

Where is that?

I saw an entry for XP, but not treasure...

It's not a rule, but how my group plays.


alexd1976 wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:

As written, they are NPCs, so start with NPC gear. After that... up to the group.

My group doesn't give extra to people with Leadership, it helps keep it under control... After all, from a players perspective:

"It isn't MY follower, why should I give him MY money?" :)

My reply to this has always been, "You're not my Leader, why should I cast a cure spell on you?"

If you aren't willing to share a portion of the treasure with my cohort, don't expect my cohort to help you.

A valid response I suppose... another part of why Leadership can be annoying, it affects players who DON'T take it negatively... in several ways.

The person who took the feat usually gives their cohort extra gear, the cohorts usually help. We haven't really run into a situation where a cohort has refused help simply because they aren't being granted a full share... I wonder how my players would deal with that...

For me, as a player, I wouldn't grant a cohort a share of the treasure, I would expect their leader to do it from their share. If the cohort didn't help the group, the group would no longer be expected to help the cohort. Things would degrade fast. I was merely talking about money. We always go to great lengths to keep cohorts alive in combat, we just don't give money to them unless they are OUR cohorts.

Cohorts normally get half shares (they are 2 levels lower) so in a party of 4, instead of getting PCs getting 1/4 (25%) of the treasure, they get 2/9 (22%).

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