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Q.1 I have a +1 Adamantine Nodachi, can i add the "Called" property to it and what would the cost be? I'm not looking to make it a +2 weapon but would like to keep it at a +1 Called Adamantine Nodachi.
Called is a +1 equivalent ability, so the cost would be the same as increasing the bonus from +1 to +2.
Presumably you paid 5360 gp for your weapon. Adding the called ability would cost an additional 6000 gp. However, you must have the Fame score for the full weapon cost of 11360 gp, i.e. 27 Fame.
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Odd question... I know that upgrading named armor/weapons is not legal, but if the item's description allows it, does that supercede the general rule?
Specifically - Equestrian Plate
Shined to a mirror finish, this suit of +2 full plate is decorated with gold inlay. As a move action when the wearer is mounted, the plates of the armor expand and reposition to protect the wearer’s mount. In this form, the armor becomes a suit of +2 banded mail for the wearer and a suit of +1 banded mail barding worn by the mount. A second move action merges it back into +2 full plate. Equestrian plate cannot transform and protect a mount more than one size larger than its wearer or a creature that cannot wear barding. It can create exotic barding, however, such as for a griffon or dragon.
If extra enhancements or spells are placed upon equestrian plate in full plate form, they affect only the wearer’s armor when the suit is split. Effects on the barding are suppressed when it is merged into the armor. If either suit of armor is broken while separated, the other half immediately gains the broken condition as well. Destroying one suit destroys the other as well.
Thanks for any thoughts on this.
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Looking thorough this whole thread, I saw mention that elven chain CAN be enchanted/upgraded, as it is a non-magical (mundane) item, though named. This is still true I presume?
Also, due to it's specially crafted property allowing it to be treated as light armor, wouldn't it make a better baseline for consideration of attempting to upgrade it to celestial armor, which shares that ability?
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Looking thorough this whole thread, I saw mention that elven chain CAN be enchanted/upgraded, as it is a non-magical (mundane) item, though named. This is still true I presume?
Also, due to it's specially crafted property allowing it to be treated as light armor, wouldn't it make a better baseline for consideration of attempting to upgrade it to celestial armor, which shares that ability?
Mike Brock responded to me directly on this question. Yes, you can enchant non-magical specific armors, including elven chain. Celestial Armor, however is magical, and so can not be further enhanced.
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Looking thorough this whole thread, I saw mention that elven chain CAN be enchanted/upgraded, as it is a non-magical (mundane) item, though named. This is still true I presume?
Also, due to it's specially crafted property allowing it to be treated as light armor, wouldn't it make a better baseline for consideration of attempting to upgrade it to celestial armor, which shares that ability?
You can enchant non-magical unique armor like the elven chain.
However, celestial armor must be purchase as is and cannot be "upgraded" into:
There is no upgrade path to achieve Celestial Armor.
Original post is on page 3 of this thread, about 9 post down.
I didn't see it referenced in the top post so I was curious, can
Shifter's Headband be upgraded from +2 to +4 and 6 in PFS?
As you can see from HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE, and in many other threads, this is most certainly a Frequently Asked Question.
Let's not bog down this thread with it.
For the record the Official answer to that question is in the third link, This One. Post #97 and 98. You use the normal non-mithril weight to calculate the price for a mithril item.
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A quick question about purchasing rather than upgrading. Can you purchase potions or scrolls with higher than normal Caster Level, paying the appropriate price and meeting the fame requirements of course.
Could I, for example, buy a Scroll of Barkskin with a CL of 12 so it will last 2 hours and grant +5 natural armour?
Not unless you find it on a chronicle sheet.
All items are considered to be purchased at the minimum caster level for the applicable spells.
EDIT: Also, all magic items are considered to be created by a cleric, druid or wizard, unless the requisite spell does not fall on any of those 3 spell lists.
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A quick question, and I apologize if it was mentioned already but after searching through here I can't find it.
I have a +1 Adaptive Composite Longbow. I'd like to add seeking to it bringing it's total enhancement up to +3 but I'm not sure if it would cost 10,000 (the difference between +2 and +3) or 15,000 (the difference between the Adaptive Cost and +3).
Adaptive is a flat +1,000g cost and does not increase the effective 'magical plus' of the weapon for cost calculations.
Seeking is a +1 enchant for cost calculations.
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I'm aware. I'm also aware that it is listed as a +1 bonus equivalent.
No, it is not listed as a plus 1 bonus equivalent. Just like the various set price armor enhancements are placed on the random generation table, so is adaptive. Neither Glamered for armor, nor Adaptive for bows are +1 enhancements.
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So even though Adaptive is listed under the +1 enhancements it doesn't count as a +1 bonus for costs to upgrade? Is this written somewhere?
You'll notice the 'Special Ability' charts have a '%' column: These tables are intended for random treasure generation, which is why there are 'non plus' enchants listed.
For the purposes of Random Treasure generation (and for this purpose only), a 3,400g '+1 Adaptive Composite Longbow' is considered equivalent to a 8,300g '+1 Frost Sling' (both would be the result of a '+1 weapon with one +1 special ability' roll).
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So what you are saying is that I could potentially have a +5 Composite Longbow with 6 special abilities.
As long as one of those abilities is Adaptive, the total cost is within your Fame limits, and you can come up with the money for it, sure.
For a true +10 weapon with Adaptive, the total cost is 201,000 gp, so you would need 72 Fame, and, of course, 201,000 gp, to be able to purchase it or upgrade to it.
Best case: 72/6 = 12, so for the Fame, if you always get max Prestige, never play a module or AP segment, you can get it when your PC reaches 13th level.
For gold, I am not sure, but by the Wealth by Level table, it wouldn't be until sometime in the middle of 14th level, if you never spend anything on much of anything else.
For an arcane type, with their bow as their bonded item, it might be doable when you get the Fame needed, due to cheaper enhancement costs for arcane bonded items...
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So what you are saying is that I could potentially have a +5 Composite Longbow with 6 special abilities.
a weapon is hard-capped at +10, but there are other enchantments that don't count a a 'plus'. They are just a direct cost and don't count toward that limit.
Benevolent, Glamered and Hosteling for armor, and Adaptive, Impervious, and Glamered for weapons.
So, yes, you could have a +5, Vorpal (+5 bonus), Glamered and Impervious sword.
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Fame/Prestige not withstanding, you could have a +1 weapon with every special ability in the books...
Not sure if that's quite right. I thought I remembered reading a rule that the maximum value of a magic weapon could be 200,000gp, but can't seem to find it, so I may be mistaken. However, you would still be limited by the following ;
Some magic weapons have special abilities. Special abilities count as additional bonuses for determining the market value of the item, but do not modify attack or damage bonuses (except where specifically noted). A single weapon cannot have a modified bonus (enhancement bonus plus special ability bonus equivalents, including from character abilities and spells) higher than +10. A weapon with a special ability must also have at least a +1 enhancement bonus. Weapons cannot possess the same special ability more than once.
Emphasis mine. So, you could have a weapon with +1 and every gold cost special ability, but there are far too many + equivalent special abilities to have a weapon with all of them and not breach the +10 equivalent limit.
- Adaptive - 1,000
- Dry Load - 1,500
- Dueling - 14,000
- Glamered - 4,000
- Impervious - 3,000
- Transformative - 10,000
- Adhesive - 7,000
- Benevolent - 2,000
- Creeping - 5,000
- Delving - 10,000
- Determination - 30,000
- Energy Resistance - 18,000
- Energy Resistance, Greater - 66,000
- Energy Resistance, Improved - 42,000
- Etherealness - 49,000
- Expeditious - 4,000
- Glamered - 2,700
- Harmonizing - 15,000
- Hosteling - 7,500
- Jousting - 3,750
- Martyring - 18,000
- Poison Resistant - 2,250
- Putrid - 10,000
- Radiant - 7,500
- Rallying - 5,000
- Righteous - 27,000
- Shadow - 3,750
- Shadow, Greater - 33,750
- Improved Shadow - 15,000
- Slick - 3,750
- Slick, Greater - 33,750
- Improved Slick - 15,000
- Unbound - 27,000
- Undead Controlling - 49,000
- Unrighteous - 27,000
- Vigilant - 27,000
- Wyrmsbreath - 5,000
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Fame/Prestige not withstanding, you could have a +1 weapon with every special ability in the books...
How about:
With sufficient Fame and gold, you could have a +1 weapon with every statically priced weapon special ability in the books, including those yet to be published.
Equally:
With sufficient Fame and gold, you could have a +1 armor or shield with every statically priced armor or shield special ability in the books, including those yet to be published.
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I tried to look this up in this thread but I did not see it mentioned. If I want to take a listed item that normally has charges per day and buy a version of it that is constant instead, using the formulas in magic item creation from the core rule book to find the increased price, as there are very clear rules as to how this item would be priced, is this allowed?
It's not allowed.
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Could someone please confirm to me if I am getting the following sequence correct, and if I am wrong, where?
Step 1:
Purchase Cloak of Resistance +1(Cost: 1000g)(9 Fame Required - 1500g or less)Step 2:
Using the 'Adding New Abilities' Rules for Magic items:Add Muleback Cords to the Cloak (Cost: 1.5 x 1000g = 1500g)(13 Fame <3000g as the final value is 2500g)
Step 3:
Upgrade the Cloak of Resistance +1/Muleback Cords to Cloak of Resistance +2/Muleback Cords (Cost: 3000g - Difference between +1 to +2)(22 Fame <8000g as the final value is 4000g + 1500g)Step 4:
Carry on upgrading the Cloak of Resistance at the normal cost difference, with the Fame having to cover the final value of the item (Resistance Cloak value +1500g)?
Custom magic items such as this are not allowed in PFS. You can have a Cloak of Resistance +1, and you can upgrade that Cloak of Resistance to +2, but you cannot add Muleback Cords to a Cloak of Resistance in PFS.
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I did not notice that it was disallowed in the PFS Primer v6.0 nor in the PFS FAQ, but I probably missed it. Could you please direct me to where I can read about it?
By this time, its more understood than spelled out, but the base rule restricting this is coming from character creation in the Guide.
Step 5: Feats
Characters select feats according to the guidelines in
the Core Rulebook. Certain Core Rulebook feats are not
available to Pathfinder Society characters. These include
Brew Potion, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Rod,
Craft Staff, Craft Wand, Craft Wondrous Item, Forge
Ring, Leadership, and Scribe Scroll.
Neither the craft feats nor the item creation section of
the magic items chapter in the Core Rulebook are legal for
play.
You can not make your custom magic item without using the item creation section of the magic items chapter. That chapter is not allowed in Society, ergo custom magic items are not allowed in Society.
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I did not notice that it was disallowed in the PFS Primer v6.0 nor in the PFS FAQ, but I probably missed it. Could you please direct me to where I can read about it?
This FAQ clarifies that the only upgrade allowed to a +X cloak is to increase it to +X+1.
If you want a more clear statement, see this post from the campaign coordinator:
We don't allow creating custom items in PFS
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I guess, at the end of the day, I just don't see the difference between being able to do what I listed a few posts up, and upgrading a +1 Longsword into a +2 Vorpal Longsword (both of which are listed in that same section of the 'Adding New Abilities' Section), which is allowed in PFS.
The difference is that the custom magic item section of the book is a guideline, and it is spelled out as such. It is very, VERY breakable and it knows that, and says it explicitly. The limiting factor on it is the DM who can look at an item and tell whether or not this thing is broken , not the rules themselves. Without it, you wind up with things like use activated true striking swords
Mike brock doesn't have time to banhammer ever single loopholed, munchkined item 100,000 rules lawyers can come up with, so the process isn't allowed.
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I created a more undated version of this thread a while back, How to Upgrade Your Gear in PFS (2014), that better addresses this type of confusion. I was hoping at the time that it'd replace this thread, but I suppose the longevity of this thread's existence is worth keeping.
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Most of those Q&As were just polished versions of the ones Kyle Baird posted in this thread. I only added a few, and although I can't recall at this point where I sourced all my answers, I only posted responses I was sure of.
Regarding this specific question, I believe I relied on this quote:
You can not upgrade items into items that don't clearly exist in a legal PFS source.
Although it's also possible I relied on the common understanding that custom magic items are not available.
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A recent chronicle brought up a few questions. It includes a few items that, following the custom magic item rules, combine 2 items that ordinarily would share the same slot. They have unique names, so I suspect they act as unique items. The questions are though...
1: Could one of the "base" items found in the CRB be upgraded into one of the custom items?
2: Since they end with +1 or higher, can they be upgraded further? I suspect not, since the "upgraded" items don't exist in a legal additional resource, except possibly...
3: Can one of the +1 items found in the low tier be upgraded to the matching +3 item found on the high tier by paying the difference?