'Taja the Barbarian' was my first Pathfinder character...and probably my second and third as well: I had finally reached the conclusion that my college friends just weren't going to be able to get together enough to hold a campaign together now that we were dispersed into the real world, so I should create a character that worked 'right out of the box' rather than something that took a few levels to come online (unlike one friend who often built characters around prestige classes that he rarely qualified when the campaign was abandoned). This turned out to be a fairly wise idea, as I created 'Taja the Barbarian' three separate times (twice in Sandpoint for APs, and once as a PFS character) and I believe she only managed to hit 3rd level once... As for the name Taja, I certainly stole it from somewhere, and her general background (exiled from her home for killing her father) was largely inspired by seeing the 'Mark of the Kinslayer' in a Scarred Lands setting book. Taja did actually achieve her 'Final Form' as 'Taja the Half-Elf Urban Bloodrager (with a dip into 'Fractured Mind' Spiritualist)' when we ran the last PF1 Runelord AP online a little while back: This time, I built her because the GM wanted us to start with a level in an NPC class and planned on resetting our characters to 1st level after running a prequel adventure, and the rest of the party (swashbuckler, rogue, cleric, alchemist, and bard) was looking pretty ineffective at first level (the NPC level idea was actually dropped during the reset). She is the only character of mine that has actually managed to finish a PF1 AP ('Electra the Oracle' came close, but apparently no one else was keen on actually playing the final module in Wrath of the Righteous, and I have hope that Mia the Evil Mesmerist will complete Hell's Vengeance, but that campaign is on hold at the moment). She turned out to be a strong 'all rounder' character with strong melee ability, some nice spell buffs, and some of the highest Diplomacy, Perception, and Sense Motive skills in the party despite only having an 8 Wisdom and 12 Charisma...
Mysterious Stranger wrote:
The OP is actually starting play at 10th level, so the effectiveness of the build at any earlier level is largely academic (though starting with a level of ranger is probably wise for the tiny boost in HP). Honestly, I think I'd probably just go with the actual Animal Companion class feature rather than the Animal domain: The domain benefits don't seem particularly good for the -3 level adjustment to the Animal Companion, even if you can offset this with a feat. I don't have a lot of personal experience with animal companions, but I'm under the impression that they typically lag behind when you hit double digit levels as their BAB is only slightly better than a Wizard, so I'm not certain if a Huge companion will be worth the complications it will likely bring (it will literally take up a huge amount of space on the map and will have issues in narrow hallways).
thorin001 wrote:
The -4 size penalty on Intimidate checks against foes larger than you makes this a bit problematic for a halfling or other small character: The Taunt feat will probably work better and probably save you a skill...
One real-world concept you might want to familiarize yourself with (if you aren't already) is 'Heir Presumptive' as it a kinda similar concept: The Heir Presumptive is the someone who is currently set to inherit but could be expected to reasonably lose that position: If my older brother were Duke and had no children, I'd be the Heir Presumptive until such time as he has a legitimate child, who would become the Heir Apparent and I'd be in line after that child (and any other legitimate children my brother might have, and any of their children in turn, etc.). In a fantasy world, there would probably be a 'statute of limitations' on resurrections where if they occur after a certain point, any inheritances aren't legally required to be undone (though they might be if the current holder of title and/or property is willing): If you wait 100 years to resurrect a King, he's legally not actually the King when he returns. Death would probably be considered similar to an abdication of some sort: If resurrected, you're alive, but you someone else now holds your position and you have no legal right to your old title. In fact, there might be a specific title-modifier for such a person to make clear they once held the position (and are due a certain amount of respect accordingly) but no longer do (like 'Pope Emeritus' in the real world).
One thing to note is that Fleet Charge takes a swift action, as does entering a combat style stance: This makes getting a full attack off with Dragon Style even more difficult in Mythic (assuming you aren't running solo and no one teleports you into melee, your partymates will kill most foes before you can get a full attack off). I was originally looking at using Jabbing Style, but that just doesn't work in mythic rocket tag with the swift action crunch: If there is a way around this issue, I'm not familiar with it (styles aren't really my area of expertise). A Master of Many Styles Monk can activate 4 style stances as a free action at level 15+, but I assume this won't make up for the loss of Flurry attacks. I suppose you could go Greater Two-Weapon Fighting + Double Slice but that's an awful lot of feats...
I ran some numbers the other day and was coming up with an average DPR that was pushing 500hp, and that's just using the basics (Large size with 50 Strength, Mythic Power Attack, +6 enhancement bonus to attack/damage, normal and greater weapon focus and specialization feats, Mythic Heroism, and Pummeling Charge). This is also without taking potential crits into account. 500 DAMAGE PER ROUND. Most of the published CR20+ mythic foes simply won't survive a single full attack routine like this, which means using maneuvers will typically just drag the fight out for no good reason...
First off, this thread should really be in the Advice forum: I've flagged it to be moved (I assume this is what Azothath's post is supposed to be communicating). Secondly, are you actually creating a level 20 tier 10 character, or is this a character that will play from level 1 to level 20 tier 10? If you are starting at level 1, are you playing the actual Wrath of the Righteous AP or something home-built? Thirdly, in my limited experience with Mythic, you are probably better off just pummeling your foe to death: Mythic play is rocket-tag on steroids, and if your foe actually gets a chance to act, you probably did something very wrong... Finally, combat maneuvers are generally just a bad idea as they tend to fall into one of the following categories with very little space in between:
Either way, maneuvers rarely make the game 'more fun' overall...
Chrion wrote:
The simple fact is this sort of encounter just doesn't work in a Hit Point based system and should just be avoided in actual play...
Not really my area of expertise, but I'd consider scaling the uses and speed boost by level as well: 30' bonus to speed 10/day with free action activation is a really strong item all by itself. Maybe something along the lines of:
Melkiador wrote: Honestly, the summon being ignored isn’t the worst, if you are helping set up flanks. But also, is it worth a 5th level spell to give someone a flanking buddy? If flanking is your goal, a much lower level summon can almost certainly get the job done without spending a MP on the templates. Alternately, you can send your companion in to flank. If you really need a tough flanker, a Spiritual Ally from the party Cleric is significantly faster to cast, uses a much less valuable spell slot, and basically can't be killed (except by SR, which might be an issue)...
Mysterious Stranger wrote:
With a one round cast time, if anything is still alive for a summoned creature to actually attack, it's either a fight where no one else felt like spending MPs, or your party has done something really wrong* *Seriously, our party's gunslinger literally obliterated a Vrock in the second module (I think) before anyone else even had a chance to act: He got lucky with crits, but there was no way it was going to survive long enough to actually act, and we were playing with watered-down mythic rules**
Also, remember your summons will still have to deal with demonic DR, which will be extremely common. This DR is a bit of a joke for martial characters since they just need to gear up with cold iron holy weapons (which are plentiful), but your under-level (due to your reduced spell progression) summons will likely have a hard time. A base CR5 Dire Lion isn't available to a Hunter until 13th level (using a 5th level spell slot) with base attack bonuses of +12/+13 and 1d8+7/1d6+7 damage, which is upgraded to +14/+15 attack and 1d8+9/1d6+9 damage with the Augmented Summons feat bonus. The mythic templates add some defense and extra attacks, but don't seem to actually improve attack or actual damage per attack (beyond the minor bleed damage from Savage). A mundane CR14 Nalfeshnee is AC 29, 203hp, and DR 10/Good, which means your Lion will arrive late, miss with 70%/65% of attacks, and only do 0-7/0-5 hp of damage. If that doesn't scream "IGNORE ME" to a level appropriate demon, I don't know what would...
A gambling addiction is fairly incompatible with an adventuring career as the game assumes a certain wealth level: Losing all your wealth (including gear) past the lowest of levels will seriously impair your adventuring, while a 'winning streak' will leave you with too much wealth (until you lose it all, of course). Realistically, PC wealth past the earliest levels is typically so ridiculously high that it would take forever to actually go broke as few people can afford to wagers hundreds or thousands of gold pieces against you... The best option for pulling off a perpetually broke character would probably be a back-rank caster character (Pyschic would probably be best, but Bard should work fine if you really want to follow the "Knight's Tale" inspiration). The actual addiction might be played out as a simple series of 'double or nothing' d20 rolls against the GM (with the assumption that the 'nothing' will catch up with the PC after a few rolls at most)...
Level 5 Mythic Hunter Spell Options:
Level 6 Mythic Hunter Spell Options:
Baleful Polymorph, Fire Snake and Stoneskin seem like the strongest options here. Final conclusion:
Level 3 Mythic Hunter Spell Options:
Named Bullet strikes me as the best option here, though only if your archer doesn't already have a x4 crit multiplier... Level 4 Mythic Hunter Spell Options:
Not seeing any really strong options here...
My immediate thoughts on low level mythic hunter spells Level 1 Mythic Hunter Spell Options:
Level 2 Mythic Hunter Spell Options:
The spells that look good to me are probably Endure Elements and Barkskin, though I don't recall how well DR/magic will hold up for Barkskin...
Remember that a hunter is a spontaneous caster, so they can only take the mythic version of a spell they already know, which will greatly limit the initial options: Your friend should review the mythic options for their current spells and see if they actually sound good or not. Mythic Spellcasting might be an option that will just work better if they delay taking it until a later tier when their spells known list is more appropriate. The other thing to keep in mind is these spells will cost MP to use, so play style / party role will be important here: Every MP you spend on a mythic spell is one you can't spend on feats or other abilities, which might be rough for a hybrid class. Potential options can be reviewed at https://www.aonprd.com/SpellsCustom.aspx:
One final thing to keep in mind is that Mythic Play is basically rocket tag, so any option that takes more than a round to fully come into play (like Heat Metal or Flame Blade) or requires you to act before the rest of the party (like a short duration buff) will often be wasted...
This is mainly a balance issue: Increasing your size is already a significant combat buff for martials (typically gaining reach and damage for an AC loss), and having it boost your speed as well would just make it an even stronger option... Merry and Pippen just getting picked up by the Urak-hai at the end of Fellowship of the Ring was probably the most realistic portrayal I've seen of the importance of size, but it doesn't really make for a good game, so they sacrificed the 'realism' to make a 'generally better' game.
Mysterious Stranger wrote: This is going to depend on how the GM interprets “You can cast any spell.” If you it grants you the ability to cast any spell in the game from any list, it is better than almost anything in the game. If you are limited to casting from your own spell list it is still good, but probably not better than some of the capstones. Yeah, this is a significant point: How your GM rules 'any spell' is intended (along with how well you personally know all the spells in existence) will greatly impact the actual power of the Secret of Magical Discipline feat. That being said, you can start taking this feat by ninth level, which means you'll get to use it for over half your adventuring career before any capstone option could come into play, so it's a really strong contender in my mind regardless of the GM's ruling (assuming you don't need the feat slots for anything else, of course).
Maniacwyrm wrote: Would a level 20 wizard benefit more from a alternate capstone like gaining an arch familiar or like a +8 to int compared to taking a level in lore master so he can take some secrets of magical discipline feats? I can’t decide so maybe you all can share some opinions? Generally speaking, most characters don't actually reach level 20, and those who do generally don't play for very long after reaching this point, which means the capstones don't actually come into play that often. If you do actually play for a while at 20, it's all going to depend on what you want for your character: You are already a 20th level caster, so capstones and prestige class bonuses are really just gravy...
OmniMage wrote:
Considering the Ring of Mysticism also exists, I wouldn't worry about boosting the prices because just because any caster can use it. Looking at Azothath's suggested prices again, it kinda seems more like an effort to come up with the 'formula' behind the official prices (with the 1st level ring being significantly off but the others being within 10% or so) than establishing what these rings should actually cost.... In order to effectively compete with Runestones (which work for all spontaneous casters), the base pricing should be along the lines of:
Assuming a ring grants 4 extra spell slots, that means 4,000g for a 1st level ring, 16,000g for a 2nd level ring, 36,000g for a 3rd level ring, and 64,000g for a 4th level ring. Honestly, I still think that Runestones/Pearls are the better option as you can start getting them earlier (when those spell slots are most important) and they never become truly obsolete (A level 1 ring should eventually be unequipped in favor of a better ring, but you can 'equip' your Runestones/Pearls forever even if you don't actually use them most days) I do have to admit that my 'nearly 4th level' Mesmerist would be sorely tempted to spend her 4k gold 'life savings' on a 'four level 1 slots' ring if one became available before a Headband of Alluring Charisma does...
Azothath wrote: 1) the ring works for any arcane caster. Yes, prepared casters need to use pearls, but those function just differently enough that I'm trying to avoid using them in this comparison. Basically, Pearls are great for spells you only want to cast once per fight (like perhaps Shield) or multiple times outside of a fight (like perhaps Mage Armor) but not very good for spells you want to cast multiple times in one fight (like perhaps Magic Missile), while Runestones (like rings) function equally well in all of these situations.Azothath wrote: 2) Runestone cost = 200% Pearl of power cost. Both are slotless. Yep, making your rings comparatively more expensive for prepared casters than they are for spontaneous casters, as long as you accept their limitations (which you often can without significant issue). Azothath wrote:
I'm guessing (and it is just a guess) that most of the extra cost for a runestone is the fact that it doesn't cost you an extra standard action to use. Azothath wrote: 4) MY base calculation for values of these things. Yes, you can price items however you like, but pricing them so high that most people will just ignore their existence (like the official versions) kinda just wastes your time... Azothath wrote: 5) The ring takes up a slot. Ring slots are common so you keep it through most polymorphs. The finger that bears this ring is a finger that can't bear another ring, and there are a lot of good ring options out there. I'm not certain if you just phrased this poorly or have forgotten how Polymorphs actually operate RAW (perhaps after playing with 'house rules' for too long):
Azothath wrote: 6) 4 or 6 Spl slots [ring] is better than 1 Spl slot [none]. But '1 Spl slot [none]' * 4 is better (and generally still cheaper) than '4 Just looking at the level 1 versions combined with the 'Wealth By Level' and 'Purchasing Magic Items' guidelines:
The real test would be to survey people playing actual arcane casters and ask which of the following options their character would go for:
Azothath wrote:
First off, the 'no stacking' rule is not good when you are effectively competing against an 'easier to acquire' (with their low cost, individual runestones will likely be available long before your rings are) 'fully stacking' slotless item. The fundamental issue with your pricing is how it compares to the equivalent Runestone costs (all percentages are rough, and reversing the 'unslotted' adjustment includes applying the 'additional power' +50% for each stone past the first):
Basically, spontaneous casters will just pretend these rings don't exist (like everyone does with the official versions) and prepared casters will likely make do with their even cheaper (though more limited) pearls...
Azothath wrote: normally rings run 150% Wondrous Item cost How are you coming up with this? The Ring of Protection definately doesn't have a 150% modifier in its pricing, nor does the Ring of Climbing and the like. There is a suggested 150% modifier for moving an 'standard item' to a different slot (like the Ring of Resistance instead of a Cloak of Resistance) but I don't think this comes into play here.
Note that for a Prepared Caster:
A Ring of Wizardry, on the other hand, requires no action to activate and can be used to prepare an completely different set of spells in the new spell slots it provides. Even if you decide to prepare multiples of the same spell, you don't have to take three rounds to cast two copies of the same 'standard action casting time' spell. Basically, Pearls are cheaper, but much more limited than the Rings. For a Spontaneous Caster:
Ideally, a ring should be about half the price of a collection of Runestones providing the same number of slots (since it takes a specific item slot), but this will make your new rings really cheap (just 2,000g for a ring providing a pair of level 1 spontaneous spell slots)...
My personal 'Lawful Evil disconnect' is Ardad Lili* who has a 'make promises you have no intention of keeping' vibe going on ('Manipulate others with false promises' is literally an edict for her in PF2e). I guess her 'use the lust of others against them, but don't be lustful yourself' is disciplined and therefore vaguely lawful, but the whole 'Manipulate others with false promises' really feels more Neutral or even Chaotic to me with its complete lack of honor (actual or imagined). *Disclaimer: I'm currently playing Hell's Vengeance and picked this goddess for my NE Female Halfling Mesmerist, so I've looked into her a lot more than any of the other lawful and/or evil deities...
Yeah, this is basically D&D5e Bounded Accuracy System (where proficiency goes from +2 to +6 over 20 levels). The major impacts would probably be:
I know there is at least one other recent thread on this general idea in this forum, and I'm betting there are many more if you are willing to search a little bit...
Knicknevin wrote:
Ah, so it is: It didn't look familiar, but we adopted the narrative starship combat rules pretty quickly... My apologies. If you can't find an official clarification on this, you are rather unlikely to get one now...
Knicknevin wrote:
I'm assuming this is a SF2 playtest question and flagging it to be transferred to an appropriate forum.
moosher12 wrote:
Here's the key problem with the entire class concept: Most of these functions just don't work well in a typical PC party because they fundamentally require you to leave 'non-ninja' party members behind and play solo... Ninjas in most media tend to operate solo or with other ninjas, which is a fundamental issue with a group-based game like Pathfinder. On a side note, skirmishing is probably a horrible idea for a Ninja as your foe running away from you and raising an alarm is probably your worst nightmare: You need to kill your foes quickly and quietly, which is basically infeasible in a hit point based game.
Azothath wrote:
Wands are limited to 4th level or lower spells, so you should never see a Wand of Fey Form II [alchemist 5, arcanist 6, druid 5, hunter 5, investigator 5, magus 6, shaman 5, sorcerer 6, witch 6, wizard 6]. If the GM is ignoring this limit, a Druid or Shaman could create one with a price of 33,750g (Spell Level 5 * CL 9 * 750g).
Just a reminder of how tiny creatures work in melee combat (assuming you don't have a reach weapon like a Elven Branched Spear)*: Source Tiny, Diminutive, and Fine Creatures: Very small creatures take up less than 1 square of space. This means that more than one such creature can fit into a single square. A Tiny creature typically occupies a space only 2-1/2 feet across, so four can fit into a single square. 25 Diminutive creatures or 100 Fine creatures can fit into a single square. Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can’t reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent’s square to attack in melee. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent. You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally. Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them. You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity. They also can’t flank an enemy.
*RAW, even a reach weapon doesn't actually help you here (doubling your natural reach of 0' is still 0'), but I believe ruling that a tiny creature with a reach weapon has a 5' reach is fairly common...
St0nemender wrote:
You really need to read the Polymorph rules and the Fey Form spells before moving forward: There is A LOT to study here... Also, note that Tiny size Fey and Fly 60' both require Fey Form II or higher to achieve, which is a 5th or 6th level spell at best and puts it well out of potential potion range even if you ignore the personal spell limitation.
St0nemender wrote: Fey are not one of the form types that specifically lose their gear: Polymorph wrote: PRPG Core Rulebook Definition Type Subschool ... When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body. Items that provide constant bonuses and do not need to be activated continue to function while melded in this way (with the exception of armor and shield bonuses, which cease to function). Items that require activation cannot be used while you maintain that form. While in such a form, you cannot cast any spells that require material components (unless you have the Eschew Materials or Natural Spell feat), and can only cast spells with somatic or verbal components if the form you choose has the capability to make such movements or speak, such as a dragon. Other polymorph spells might be subject to this restriction as well, if they change you into a form that is unlike your original form (subject to GM discretion). If your new form does not cause your equipment to meld into your form, the equipment resizes to match your new size. ...The big issue is the Fey Form spells are all Personal, which means they can't be put into potions. PRPG Core Rulebook pg. 551 The creator of a potion needs a level working surface and at least a few containers in which to mix liquids, as well as a source of heat to boil the brew. In addition, he needs ingredients. The costs for materials and ingredients are subsumed in the cost for brewing the potion: 25 gp × the level of the spell × the level of the caster. All ingredients and materials used to brew a potion must be fresh and unused. The character must pay the full cost for brewing each potion. (Economies of scale do not apply.) The imbiber of the potion is both the caster and the target. Spells with a range of personal cannot be made into potions. The creator must have prepared the spell to be placed in the potion (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires.
Source When in doubt about whether two characters flank an opponent in the middle, trace an imaginary line between the two attackers’ centers. If the line passes through opposite borders of the opponent’s space (including corners of those borders), then the opponent is flanked. Exception: If a flanker takes up more than 1 square, it gets the flanking bonus if any square it occupies counts for flanking. Only a creature or character that threatens the defender can help an attacker get a flanking bonus. Creatures with a reach of 0 feet can’t flank an opponent. If you are just looking for mobility, a simple potion of Fly would grant you a 60' Fly speed for 5 minutes...
For example, if you have levels in both barbarian and bloodrager and you take the Extra Rage feat, you gain 6 extra rounds that you can either use to rage or bloodrage or split between the two. The feat does not give both an extra 6 rounds of rage and 6 rounds of bloodrage—it gives you exactly 6 rounds each day that you can use for either one of these abilities. One day, you might use 4 of these rounds for rage and 2 on bloodrage; the next day, you might use 3 on each.
I grok do u wrote:
Per the general interpretation*, worshipers of Desna still need to be Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, or Chaotic Neutral to get any mechanical benefit, while a Paladin (Divine Hunter) needs to be Lawful Good. Even the Grey Paladin archetype doesn't work for Desna's faithful as they still 'must still follow a lawful good, neutral good, or lawful neutral deity.' Desna is just too much of a free spirit... *Please note that if you ignore the cleric's 'alignment must be within one step of her deity's, along either the law/chaos axis or the good/evil axis' alignment restriction because the Paladin's entry doesn't explicitly state it, then Baphomet, Deskari, and Nocticula are also completely valid options for a paladin's worship...
Occultist strikes me as particularly bad as they lost access to spells without their implements.
Most other casting classes, pet classes, unarmed attack classes, and shifting classes would probably work just fine. The other martial classes would probably be fairly build dependent. The fact that some classes/builds are completely screwed by losing their gear is the reason this just doesn't happen in most campaigns...
Arkat wrote:
Perhaps not for a 20th level character like yours, but it will provide more followers (at least for a while) for anyone who takes it at lower levels: It is a '1st tier' power, so you could take it while still in your single digits if getting mythic ranks like Wrath of the Righteous gave them out. Admittedly, it sounds like your campaign might be using mythic ranks as a post-20 leveling system, which would probably limit this particular power's utility.
Arkat wrote:
'Follower' and 'Cohort' are two distinct categories: Crusader grants more 'followers' than Leadership does (as you add your mythic rank to your leadership score) and grants them a free surge usage, but does not give you a 'cohort' or even boost any cohort you might already have. Crusader (Ex) (Mythic Adventures pg. 21):Your prowess and ability draw countless followers to your banner. You gain followers as if you had the Leadership feat. In addition, you add your tier to your leadership score when determining the number of followers you gain. Whenever you are within 100 feet of such followers, each follower can use the surge ability once per day without needing to expend mythic power. The followers use the same die type as your surge ability. If you have or gain the Leadership feat, you gain followers from both this ability and the Leadership feat (in effect doubling the number of followers gained).
D&D3.0 Swim had a '-1 penalty per 5lbs of gear you are carrying or wearing' instead of the normal armor check penalty.
Source ... Not all items adhere to these formulas. First and foremost, these few formulas aren’t enough to truly gauge the exact differences between items. The price of a magic item may be modified based on its actual worth. The formulas only provide a starting point. The pricing of scrolls assumes that, whenever possible, a wizard or cleric created it. Potions and wands follow the formulas exactly. Staves follow the formulas closely, and other items require at least some judgment calls. Higher Caster Level = More Powerful Item = More Expensive Item. There are no 'hard and fast' rules for Caster Level here because there are a lot of judgement calls to be made: Boosting the CL on a Ring of Invisibility does make it a better item, but most of the time no one would really notice the difference, while boosting the CL on a set of Vampiric Gloves would be a major boost to both damage inflicted, temporary HP granted, and SR penetration chances. As such, the existence and pricing of non-standard items (including 'standard' items with higher caster levels) is left up to the GM*... *To be fair, the existence and pricing of standard items is technically also at the GM's discretion, as the GM decides what is and isn't allowed in the campaign...
Considering you are playing a demon-centric campaign, Antilife Shell is an incredibly horrible option:
Self-Necro for a follow-up question: Is Hideous Laughter from an evil caster blocked by Protection From Evil? I've been reviewing the relevant FAQ and can't quite tell if forcing someone to RotFL falls under 'exercise control over the target' or not. Protection From Evil: Does this work against all charm and compulsion effects? Or just against charm and compulsion effects where the caster is able to exercise control over the target, such as charm person, command, and dominate person (and thus not effects like sleep or confusion, as the caster does not have ongoing influence or puppet-like control of the target)? The latter interpretation is correct: protection from evil only works on charm and compulsion effects where the caster is able to exercise control over the target, such as command, charm person, and dominate person; it doesn't work on sleep or confusion. (Sleep is a border case for this issue, but the designers feel that "this spell overrides your brain's sleep centers" is different enough than "this spell overrides your resistance to commands from others.") At first glance, I'm thinking this spell fundamentally denies actions rather than controlling them, so PfE does not protect against it, but I'm not particularly confident in this conclusion...
Azothath wrote: There is also the following spell option: Sacred Bond wrote: Advanced Player's Guide pg. 240 School conjuration (healing); Level cleric 3, inquisitor 2, oracle 3, paladin 2, warpriest 3 Casting Casting Time 1 round Components V, S, F (a pair of golden bracelets worth 100 gp each worn by both you and the target) Effect Range touch; see text Target creature touched Duration 10 minutes/level (D) Saving Throw Will negates (harmless); Spell Resistance yes (harmless) Description To use this spell, you first touch the intended recipient, creating a sympathetic field of healing energies between you. Once the spell has been cast, you and the target may cast conjuration (healing) spells with a range of touch upon each other so long as you are within close range (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels). Should either you or the target remove your bracelet, the spell immediately ends. Mythic Sacred Bond
Augmented (6th): If you expend two uses of mythic power, casting a healing spell through the link heals the caster the normal amount instead of the minimum amount. You and the target can use the link to heal each other with targeted healing abilities such as lay on hands. Unlike with healing spells, a character using a healing ability in this way doesn’t heal herself.
Minigiant wrote:
Aasimar Spirit Guide Oracle [Heavens] with Touched by Divinity[Desna] campaign trait and Charisma pumped to the mid 40s by the time we stopped playing (we never did play the final module): The exact build isn't going to help you as we played with a 'watered down' mythic system (no mythic spells or feats, but mythic stats and extra 'normal' feats), but there was nothing particularly tricky about it as I recall... Spells Known
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Clerics have some very good '[good]' offensive spells when fighting Evil Outsiders (which are typically rather resistant to the 'classical elements' generally used by Arcane casters):
You will need to worry about SR with an offensive list like this.** *My WotR Aasimar Oracle had her Holy Word caster level boosted so high that I largely stopped using it because is was basically an 'I Win' button (Celestial Contact trait, Spell Specialization feat, Varisian Tattoo feat, Spell Perfection feat, and Orange Prism [Normal] Ioun Stone). **In addition to her caster level boosts, my Oracle also had Desna's Obedience that added her +15 charisma mod to her caster level checks, so SR was a bit of a joke for her (If I had to actually roll, no one else would have had a chance of succeeding). Mysterious Stranger wrote:
The major boost from Mythic Power Attack is the 'You can expend one use of mythic power when you activate Power Attack to ignore the penalties on melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks for 1 minute.' clause...
'Iaijutsu Strike' and 'Called Shot' (an optional rule from Ultimate Combat) are each distinct full-round actions, so you can't combine them.
Fangmccloud1 wrote: I do have surprise strike but my GM does not believe deadly throw would count for the gun chemist because of he's not throwing or something like that I can't remember specifically Yeah, Deadly Throw is useless for you, but Surprise Strike should work perfectly fine (as would Fleet Charge). I'd probably would have recommended taking the 'Fleet Charge' option as it makes it easier to get within the first range increment of your pistols and get your 'bonus' attack - and - your full attack routine in the opening round, giving you a very nasty Alpha Strike potential (which is kinda the point of Mythic).
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