Whenever the Magus class is mentioned, I think of Hawke, the new lead character in Dragon Age II. He blends powerful magic with a 2 handed weapon. From the looks of it, it seems that it is part sword and part staff.
I would love to see that sort of weapon and fighting style for the Magus. There is a video on the DA2 website that shows off his style. I'm not going to turn this into a DA2 commercial though.
The ability to use your weapon as a conduit for your spells/powers.
I would also like to see a dark Magus. One who uses demonic/infernal energies that make you stronger temporarily with a cost.
Whenever the Magus class is mentioned, I think of Hawke, the new lead character in Dragon Age II. He blends powerful magic with a 2 handed weapon. From the looks of it, it seems that it is part sword and part staff.
I would love to see that sort of weapon and fighting style for the Magus. There is a video on the DA2 website that shows off his style. I'm not going to turn this into a DA2 commercial though.
The ability to use your weapon as a conduit for your spells/powers.
I would also like to see a dark Magus. One who uses demonic/infernal energies that make you stronger temporarily with a cost.
Seconded, it looks like a really fluid mixing of spellcasting and hitting people. But the be honest the Magus reminds me more about Sith and folce lightning .. funny^^
But the be honest the Magus reminds me more about Sith and folce lightning .. funny^^
I could see that. Use of Mage Hand, Chain Lightning and Haste would probably get the desired effect there. Toss in a Charm spell and I thnk you pretty much capture it.
I was thinking about this the other day...
What about an archetype that grants sneak attack and trapfinding, adds disable device as a class skill?
I dunno what you'd remove...more than likely at the very least casting in full plate, maybe spell pool...
Or maybe these things are better served as Arcana?
I think it'd be neat to provide something that fit the flavor of the old F/M/T from 2nd ED.
Magus / Rogue / Arcane Trickster
BOOM
Well how about an elementalist Magus that instead of using INT they use CHA and Elemental Bloodline from the Sorcorer class to augment it spells that deal elemental spells.
Hawke
OMG Paizo, plz? <3 Said video bleeds awesome. I don't care if the rip off is obvious (so long as there is no copyright infringement issue, of course). Forgive the lolfanboi moment, but DANG. The videos BioWare has been pumping out for their games lately... (The Old Republic, anyone?)
The video of Hawke does indeed idealize the magus in my mind, my love for BioWare not withstanding.
Arguments can be made for and against. I don't see anything wrong with there being the option of cast spontaneously. If they print it and you don't like it, don't use it.
Also: I want a shield magus who uses shields to hurt things. :) Kinda like this, but with some bull rushing and boxing-in, maybe. (The rest of that anime is decent, but this is probably the best part out of 13 episodes.)
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Also: I want a shield magus who uses shields to hurt things. :) Kinda like this, but with some bull rushing and boxing-in, maybe. (The rest of that anime is decent, but this is probably the best part out of 13 episodes.)
Actually that idea has a lot of potential. A Magus who used the Shield spell for attacks and AC would be very interesting.
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Speaking from the standpoint of the my campaign's needs, I would very much like to see:
1) Two weapon using magus. Perhaps with auras dedicated to raise his AC or offer some other types of protection.
2) Pistol wielding magus. Since some parts of my world have steampunk feel to them, this is very much needful. In fact, if Paizo doesn't do it, I'll have to do the archetype myself.
Also, I'd like to see some specific feats or traits for the class. For instance, feat chain that will allow magus to exchange STR with INT when calculating attack bonus and further down the chain deal additional damage because of high INT. Call it "Precise strikes" or "Thought-out blows" or whatever.
That would be awesome!What about an archetype that grants sneak attack and trapfinding, adds disable device as a class skill?
I dunno what you'd remove...more than likely at the very least casting in full plate, maybe spell pool...
Or maybe these things are better served as Arcana?
I think it'd be neat to provide something that fit the flavor of the old F/M/T from 2nd ED.
I'd be totally down with that. The rogue is currently the only class that does magical trap finding and disarming now. There are replacements for just about every other role in a party right now except the rogue in that capacity.
At the very least an archetype with trapfinding and disable device as a class skill.
That would be awesome!What about an archetype that grants sneak attack and trapfinding, adds disable device as a class skill?
I dunno what you'd remove...more than likely at the very least casting in full plate, maybe spell pool...
Or maybe these things are better served as Arcana?
I think it'd be neat to provide something that fit the flavor of the old F/M/T from 2nd ED.I'd be totally down with that. The rogue is currently the only class that does magical trap finding and disarming now. There are replacements for just about every other role in a party right now except the rogue in that capacity.
At the very least an archetype with trapfinding and disable device as a class skill.
Unless Urban ranger from the APG has been changed in the recent errata they can disarm magical traps at level 3.
Please please please create a spontaneous caster version.
Also, create a feat in Ultimate Magic that works like the Magus' medium/heavy armor class abilities. These would replace Arcane Armor Training.
+1 on the Grammaton Cleric idea. I've been struggling for years to create a good d20 version.
no way, if there was a spontaneous caster version it would a) unbalance things (that he works like a wizard is a nit of a limit he needs) and b) outshine classes like bard (spell sword comes to mind)
if you would have feats that work like the magi class abilities why would you not have a feat that gave you "all martial weapons" (an ability from fighter and other classes.
the point is not to be able to do what the magus can do with other classes, or to have a magus variant out shine another base class, arcane armor training is still there for other gish type clasess and multi classes, and it is more limiting for them, where as the magus gets full armor but doesnt get access to the amount of spells the other types of gish do, thats balanced.
letting the others do what the magus can would be unbalanced.
as is the magus has a niche (with limits and weaknesses) incomaparison to other gish types, and thats a good thing.
Also a Magus whos more tomb robber style (disable device from distance etc.). I think the treasure hunter theme fits very good for a magus, not searching for gold but for ancient wisdom.
Try to find some fitting PCs from the 3.5 Canon to clear it up:
Maybe the Loredelver from Races of Destiny or the Temple Raider of Olidamara.Little more Dungeoncrawling/rougish would be nice. :)
More martial Magus:
Medium Armor replaces Pool Spell at 4th.
Fighter Training replaces Medium Armor at 7th.
Heavy Armor replaces Knowledge Pool at 7th.
Pool Spell replaces Fighter Training at 10th.
Armor Training (1 only) replaces Improved Pool Spell at 11th.
Weapon Training (1 only) replaces Heavy Armor at 13th.
Improved Pool Spell replaces Greater Pool Spell at 19th.
]Unless Urban ranger from the APG has been changed in the recent errata they can disarm magical traps at level 3.
My appologies, I missed that archetype. That makes only two classes for that slot when there are closer to 3 classes that can take over other party roles. It would still be nice to see a tomb raider magus archetype.
]Unless Urban ranger from the APG has been changed in the recent errata they can disarm magical traps at level 3.My appologies, I missed that archetype. That makes only two classes for that slot when there are closer to 3 classes that can take over other party roles. It would still be nice to see a tomb raider magus archetype.
Guess now would be a bad time to point out the sandman bard, and several other bard archtypes that can get trapsense too uh?
Also you are aware that all trapsense does is give a bonus on two specific uses of two skills and allow you to disarm magical traps with a skill check (as opposed to disarming them some other way -- like magic) right?
It's not exactly a "niche" ability anymore -- which does make sense to me, after all wizards building magical traps but not being able to find them made little sense to me just as the fact that anyone could make a mundane trap (even making a living at it) but never be able to find one with a DC over 20 was equally absurd.
]Unless Urban ranger from the APG has been changed in the recent errata they can disarm magical traps at level 3.My appologies, I missed that archetype. That makes only two classes for that slot when there are closer to 3 classes that can take over other party roles. It would still be nice to see a tomb raider magus archetype.
I agree a "Tomb Raider" archtype would be intresting and probably not too hard to do perhaps he could use the energy from disarmed magical traps to replenish his (presumably smaller than a normal magus's) arcane pool.
what about a magus that could borrow, from ore than just the wizard's spell list? Expand a bit on the "broad study arcana", but what about a magus that could cast druid or ranger spells too?
What would we call it? I dunno Wild magus, spend an arcane pool point to be able to spontaneously drop a memorized spell to cast a spell of equal level from the rangers spell list? (for example)
Wild Magus could be restricted to light or medium armor... i dunno what else he would loose to be able to do that, it it might be cool.
I'll throw my ideas out there.
Daggerspell Mage: Basically trades much of their armor proficiencies for light armor, TWF and spellcombat while using twin daggers, kukris, punching daggers or similar weapons. Also a touch of sneak attack damage.
Iron Magus: Trades in spellstrike for the ability to cast while using a shield amongst other defensive goodies.
Ranged MAgus: Soemthign more based on ranged weapons, can channel their touch spells through ranged/thrown weapons, etc.
Muscle Wizard:He casts Fist! Anyway *ahem* think like an unarmed monk without the bonuses to AC and a slightly slower progression for unarmed strike and no flurry of blows. The upside is he gets a bigger arcane pool, can enchant his unarmed strike, and uses Strength as his main casting stat (to balance it we could say that he still needs int to calculate DC's).
Arcane Protector: A fun little bodyguard/tank archetype. Essentially they can project an aura that allows any spells that are affecting the magus to affect their allies as well. Kind fo like a bard with a customizable bardic music. Could replace their weapon enchanting and arcane pool abilities with it.
Bone Knight: A necromantically focused Magus. Pretty strightfoward imho.
Witch Hunter: Basic anti-magic archetype.
Dimension Shifter: A high mobility teleportation specialist. Loses spell combat and spell strike but gains ways to bamf around like nightcrawler and cast spells/attack while moving.
Fleshwarper: Kind of a thematic archetype more than anything. Essentially they replace their arcane pool and arcanas with a lot of passive stuff and natural attacks. Kind of like the alchemist can turn themselves intoa warped nightmare so does the fleshwarper. Perfecting the body for combat through severe applicaion of magic to themselves. That kind of thing.
I'll throw my ideas out there.
Daggerspell Mage: Basically trades much of their armor proficiencies for light armor, TWF and spellcombat while using twin daggers, kukris, punching daggers or similar weapons. Also a touch of sneak attack damage.
Trademark violation not possible.
Iron Magus: Trades in spellstrike for the ability to cast while using a shield amongst other defensive goodies.
Not a bad idea, has been suggested several times.
Ranged MAgus: Soemthign more based on ranged weapons, can channel their touch spells through ranged/thrown weapons, etc.
Wouldn't this just be the arcane archer at the basic level?
Muscle Wizard:He casts Fist! Anyway *ahem* think like an unarmed monk without the bonuses to AC and a slightly slower progression for unarmed strike and no flurry of blows. The upside is he gets a bigger arcane pool, can enchant his unarmed strike, and uses Strength as his main casting stat (to balance it we could say that he still needs int to calculate DC's).
Probably strays too far from the original -- but something like this could work if not so extremely off from the original class.
Arcane Protector: A fun little bodyguard/tank archetype. Essentially they can project an aura that allows any spells that are affecting the magus to affect their allies as well. Kind fo like a bard with a customizable bardic music. Could replace their weapon enchanting and arcane pool abilities with it.
I posted something like this upthread but changing out for an aura would again probably drift into subclass instead of archtype.
Bone Knight: A necromantically focused Magus. Pretty strightfoward imho.
Above thread again -- but hey at least we are hitting some similar thoughts!
Witch Hunter: Basic anti-magic archetype.
Seems like something the exact opposite of what the magus is -- maybe you mean something more like a counter spell/dispel mastering abjuration magus?
Dimension Shifter: A high mobility teleportation specialist. Loses spell combat and spell strike but gains ways to bamf around like nightcrawler and cast spells/attack while moving.
Now this idea would be interesting.
Fleshwarper: Kind of a thematic archetype more than anything. Essentially they replace their arcane pool and arcanas with a lot of passive stuff and natural attacks. Kind of like the alchemist can turn themselves intoa warped nightmare so does the fleshwarper. Perfecting the body for combat through severe applicaion of magic to themselves. That kind of thing.
This reminds me that I wanted to post up my transformation specialist archetype called the Alter -- thank you for reminding me.
I would very much like to see a magus with a dash( no pun intended) of rogue, something along the lines of trapsense/trapfinding/disable device. By the way thank you for making this Magus!!!!
I'm going to agree with many of the ideas proposed here:
Mobile Magus: Light armor only, perhaps int to AC, speed bonus.
2-weapon magus: replace spell combat with a different ability, maybe? Or allow spellstrike to work on both weapons? Restrict to light weapons?
Hexblade: Hexes instead of arcanas? Altered spell list? Maybe a dash of rogue?
School Magus: Granting abilities (hopefully different ones than the wizard), based on arcane school chosen.
Ranged Magus: This might overrule the arcane archer. But if done right, I think you could pull it off.
And disregarding archetypes for a second, PLEASE replace fighter training. It's so boring...
I'm going to agree with many of the ideas proposed here:
Mobile Magus: Light armor only, perhaps int to AC, speed bonus.
2-weapon magus: replace spell combat with a different ability, maybe? Or allow spellstrike to work on both weapons? Restrict to light weapons?
Hexblade: Hexes instead of arcanas? Altered spell list? Maybe a dash of rogue?
School Magus: Granting abilities (hopefully different ones than the wizard), based on arcane school chosen.
Ranged Magus: This might overrule the arcane archer. But if done right, I think you could pull it off.
And disregarding archetypes for a second, PLEASE replace fighter training. It's so boring...
why is fighter training boring? It allows the magus at higher levels to take some fighter only feats.
Magus shouldnt get school specialties that would steal from wizard.2-weapon magus, please stop, please stop with the two weapon magus, if you want to fight two weapon style there is fighter, ranger, rogue, heck there is Even EK.
Hexblade concept sounds kinda cool, replacing arcana with hexes.
What would you call it?
War-Witch?
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I’ve been looking at the Magus and, so far it is as close to the perfect Gish as I’ve ever seen. Before now, if I wanted to be able to swing a sword and cast utility spells, I had to wait until at least level 6. Now, I can do it from level 3 or even sooner. Even with that, though, I can see that it is not a perfect class. In this thread, I have read some ideas that I think would be good for the Magus, some that I think would be good for a Magus prestige class, and others that, while I think are good, I don’t think are right for the Magus class as it has been presented to us. Anyway. Here’s my wish list. I tried to keep the changes simple and maintain the feel of the class while allowing for a greater degree of flexibility in how the class does its thing mechanically. From my observations, I’ve only played the class a few times and only as a first level character, it seems to me that the Magus Arcana, like the Rogue Talents, are the way to do this. For this to work, the number of Magus Arcana would need to increase. I suggest the first one at level 3 and another every other level.
Skills: Add Knowledge (Architecture) and Knowledge (Engineering) to the list. The Magus is the first mage type that I like for these two skills, like a war mage that specializes in sieges and defensive installations.
Add Linguistics. The Magus is as studious as he is brawny. Knowing different languages is a part of that, at least in my mind.
Armor: As others have pointed suggested, make at least casting in Heavy Armor a Magus Arcana with a minimum level requirement. Doing the same for casting in Medium Armor is a fair idea as well, though I’m not a fan of it.
Magus Arcana:
- Add two handed fighting as a Magus Arcana. I just like the idea of the staff wielding or two handed weapon Magus. Note that I do not suggest a two weapon option. The Magus fights with sword and spell not sword and sword.
- Add the option of allowing the enhancement bonus to work defensively on armor.
- Give an option for thrown weapons. I can’t support the idea of an archer Magus. It would just kill the Arcane Archer. Also, it’s time to show some love for thrown weapons.
- Give a bonus to save DC. Let’s face it, the Magus will only have a 16 Int. Allowing him to spend a point of his Arcane Pool for a +2 Save DC isn’t going to be overbearing.
Fighter training is one of the most appealing abilities to me, I just wish it kicked in at lvl8!
a magus can fight sword and staff (see wand weilder) he just doesnt use the staff as a weapon, just to trigger spell effects.
Less armor and no armor, please. :)
The magus spell comabt, does that provoke? it dosen't say if it dose or dosen't
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The magus spell comabt, does that provoke? it dosen't say if it dose or dosen't
Spell Combat in and of itself doesn't provoke but you're casting a spell and follow the rules for that as normal. So yes, you do provoke unless you cast defensively and again if you cast a spell with a ranged touch roll.
I'm surprised I've not seen more mention this sooner, what with all the love being given to two-hander staff-fighting magi, but I'd like to suggest something in a similar, albeit slightly different direction.
Something more Silat meets Escrima, shade of (obligatory Street Fighter Reference) Eagle with his stick-wielding two-weapon fighting style, or perhaps the Big Boss of Southtown in the Art of Fighting series.
Perhaps a concept of being lower-armor, smaller arcane-pool, but your weapon of choice is a pair of rods that can be 'charged' with specific metamagics that do not pull from your arcane pool. Alternately, the rods serve as the handles for 'weaponized' spells that, on cast, leave just the rods afterward. That may infringe too much on a soulknife's schtick, though.
Obviously the ability to cast with gestures even with the rods in hand would be a feature.
A gunmage sounds heavenly, allowing it to make magic bullets and pump spells into its gun is a awesome concept
I don't know what all is involved with it -- but the up coming ultimate combat already has a prestige class with that name listed as being in it.
I saw mention of Muscle Magus, and immediately had a bit of a spontaneous nostalgasm at a potential Magus patterned after the Mystics of Nog from the Complete Sha'ir's Handbook. Drastically reduced Arcane Pool in exchange for stat improvement, possibly with a casting option involving self-innervation.
I definitely want to see an unarmed magus.
A natural-weapon or unarmed-based Magus. Probably involves a lot of minor shapeshifting.
A sorcerous magus, with spontaneous casting and a bloodline instead of some of their pool spell features.
Archer magus, preferably one that works equally well with bows and guns.
A life force to magic themed magus would be nice. Ritual sacrifice and sacrificing HP for additional pool points, regaining points and self hp through a deathknell effect.
This also offers an opportunity for an alternative tank. Pool points in exchange for immediate bonuses, to saves, temp HP, and AC or even a blur effect. Specializing in armor and shield enhancement.