P. 172 “Archdevils (Belial)” wrote: …ruler of the molten layer Hell’s fourth circle… Should this be ‘…ruler of the molten layer of Hell’s fourth circle…’, with the insertion of an additional ‘of’’?
“Archdevils (Mammon)” wrote: Hell’s treasurer and accounant… ‘accounant’ should be ‘accountant’?
Charles Evans 25 wrote: For DM Reference:
Some updates on Zon-Kuthon that I’ve edited together from recent Pathfinder Chats:
Regarding Star-towers:
“James Jacobs” wrote: Zon-Kuthon put in the star towers before he "went away" if I remember correctly... he did the towers before his transformation, and they started falling apart after he got back, and he hasn't neglected them but he's no longer as interested in what they were originally for. But they're still sacred or special to him, so he does have guardians there.
The whole thing isn't 100% worked out yet regarding the Star Towers. I had it mostly figured out somewhere, but haven't thought about it for a long time.
<There was a question for James Jacobs here asking if the deflected prayers [deflected by the star towers] benefit Zon-Kuthon directly in anyway?>
Unknown.
I'd have to go back and re-read what was in Pathfinder 11 to spur my memory.
We'll probably not say much more about the Star Towers until Pathfinder #23, I suspect, when we do the big article about Rovagug.
On the subject of how Zon-Kuthon shows favour/displeasure: “James Jacobs” wrote: Zon-Kuthon is never pleased. He's always pissed off.
<James Jacobs consulted personal files at this point…>
Alas... no news about Zon-Kuthon's methods of showing displeasure. I suspect he'd show it by having the unlucky soul suddenly bleed from an unexpected orifice, or suddenly manifest hideous painful wounds, or suddenly go blind.
After some research in Pathfinder #12, an update, on how Zon-Kuthon shows favour:
“James Jacobs” wrote: Lightning crackles and chains of iron are indeed signs of Z-K's favor.
P. 172 “Demon Lords” wrote: …Yet numerous other demon lords have worshipers on the Material Plane as well, particularly among the drow, the northern regions of the world (most notably in the Worldwound), and in the Mwangi Expanse… Should ‘…the northern regions of the world’ be ‘in the northern regions of the world’?
P. 174 “Demon Lords (Abraxus)” wrote: …cause great devastaiton and pain… ‘devastaiton’ should be ‘devastation’?
“Demon Lords (Baphomet)” wrote: …secretly venerated in rual areas… ‘rual’ should be ‘rural’?
“Demon Lords (Cyth-V’sug)” wrote: …a mishapen monstrosity the size of a house that constantly sees ways to infect creatures and plants… ‘mishapen’ should be ‘misshapen’? (NB I have checked with Microsoft Word that ‘mishapen’ is not the correct US version of the spelling, although MS Word could be wrong on that count, I realise.)
Should ‘…sees ways to infect…’ be ‘…seeks ways to infect…’?
“Demon Lords (Dagon)” wrote: …Not quite fish nor octopous nor eel, the Shadow in the Sea often sends his spawn into the depths of Material Plane oceans to serve as high priests for vicious oceanic monstrostities like…’ ‘octopous’ should be ‘octopus’?
‘monstrostities’ should be ‘monstrosities’?
“Demon Lords (Deskari)” wrote: …many scholars of demonoligy believe Deskari be the … ‘demonoligy’ should be ‘demonology’?
‘…believe Deskari be…’ should be ‘…believe Deskari to be…’?
“Demon Lords (Deskari)” wrote: …the demon armies that emerged speak to Deskari’s growing influence… Quibble: Should ‘…speak to…’ be ‘…speak of…’?
“Demon Lords (Kostchtchie)” wrote: …His current goal is the destruction of the nation of Irisen, the next step in his vengeance against the Witch Queen Baba Yaga… ‘Irisen’ should be ‘Irrisen’?
“Demon Lords (Nocticula)” wrote: …The Red Mantis is a fierice… ‘fierice’ should be ‘fierce’?
P.175 “Demon Lords (Shax)” wrote: …His cultits are killers… ‘cultits’ should be ‘cultists’?
“Demon Lords (Socothbenoth)” wrote: …Sister and lover to lady Nocticula… Socothbenoth is consistently referred to throughout the rest of the entry with him/his/he; should the section I quote therefore be ‘…Brother and lover to lady Nocticula…’?
Curious, is there a compilation of errors for easy reference somewhere around here?
Jason Beardsley wrote: Curious, is there a compilation of errors for easy reference somewhere around here? Not really. I've been using this thread to track errors and mark them in a copy of the PCCS at my desk, though, for hopeful correction in a reprint some day (although I haven't had time to catch up on this thread for several weeks and probably won't for at least one or two more weeks). And despite this thread's length, the majority of the errors mentioned here are relatively minor ones that vex editors but don't mess with the books usefulness, or aren't errors as much as requests for more information.
Ah.. so, nothing I really have to worry about, right?
Jason Beardsley wrote: Ah.. so, nothing I really have to worry about, right? The biggest problem that I've seen thus far that you need to pay attention to if you're running a game, is that some of the national boundaries and town locations have become misplaced on the Campaign Setting map, as has been mentioned several times on this thread. If you have it, you can use the Gazetteer map instead though, which suffered none of these problems... :D
This thread is worth digging through I think for the occasional posts from Boomer, clarifications from Erik Mona, or responses by other contributors regarding other points left unclear.
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
This thread is worth digging through I think for the occasional posts from Boomer, clarifications from Erik Mona, or responses by other contributors regarding other points left unclear.
Don't do yourself down too much though, Charles. I'm sure your contributions will be valuable if/when it is reprinted or updated.
Charles Evans 25 wrote: ...This thread is worth digging through I think for the occasional posts from Boomer, clarifications from Erik Mona, or responses by other contributors regarding other points left unclear. I'm flattered! This thread has been a lot of fun, as well as very insightful - I'm just glad to have been a helpful part of such an ambitious undertaking!
P. 176 “Four Philosophies (Diabolism)” wrote: …A diabolist sees each of the archdevils as architects of the purest form of society, and Hell itself as the model for which such a society must be based… Uncertainty: Should ‘…and Hell itself as the model for which such a society must be based…’ be ‘and Hell itself as the model upon which other societies must be based…’?
“Four Philosophies (Diabolism)” wrote: …Many don’t view their interest and admiration in Hell as evil… ‘…interest and admiration in Hell…’ should be ‘…interest in and admiration of Hell…’?
P. 177 “Four Philosophies (The Green Faith)” wrote: …Peasants and farmers show their adherence to “the old ways” by hanging bundles of fresh herbs over their doorways, tending to their regions without disturbing the natural order, and… Suggestion: Would ‘…tending to their holdings…’ read better than ‘…tending to their regions…’?
“Four Philosophies (The Whispering Way)” wrote: On a basic level, the Whispering Way is a formula for becoming a lich. But it is much more than that. Domination of the gate from life to eternal undeath – even the mere pursuit of it – breeds arrogance and entitlement… Quibbles: ‘…becoming a lich. But it is much more than that…’
Sentence spotted beginning with ‘but’, and not even a sentence that is reported speech!!! I would suggest replacing the full stop after ‘…becoming a lich…’ with a semicolon, or change it to a dash and make ‘…But it is much more than that…’ into ‘…but it is also much more than that…’?
‘…breeds arrogance and entitlement…’ should be ‘…breeds arrogance and a sense of entitlement…’?
P. 179 “Elemental Plane of Fire” wrote: …From its border with Elemental Plane of Earth to the edges of the Astral Plane… ‘…border with Elemental Plane of Earth…’ should be ‘…border with the Elemental Plane of Earth…’?
“Elemental Plane of Fire” wrote: …and sheets of flame oscillating with a panoply of colors like burning rainbows.
Outside of the animalistic fire elementals, the most recognizable natives are…
Quibble: Something about this passage seems jarring to me. I think it may be that after a paragraph describing the elemental plane of fire, the next one begins with ‘…Outside of the animalistic fire elementals…’ with the ‘outside’ seeming peculiar since in some way it seems to imply to me that a discussion was just going on somewhere about fire elementals which I seem to have missed. Maybe it reads better to other people though.
If there is a problem, then might it be fixed by opening that sentence with ‘…Apart from the plane’s animalistic fire elementals…’ instead?
“Elemental Plane of Fire” wrote: … that float atop the flames on hemispheres of iron and steel and – for their imperial capital – upon gleaming brass… Minor Quibble: Would ‘…upon a hemisphere of gleaming brass…’ or just ‘…of gleaming brass…’ be more correct than ‘…upon gleaming brass…’?
“Elemental Plane of Fire” wrote: …Within a massive lake of molten copper on the border of Elemental Plane of Fire and Elemental Plane of Earth rise nine Great Spires of gold-veined crystal, the Ninefold Towers of the Matriarch of Holy Sublimation… Missing ‘the’ in front of ‘Elemental Plane of Fire’ and ‘Elemental Plane of Earth’?
Query: Should ‘Great Spires’ have capitalised letters indicating that the phrase is apparently a proper noun?
“Elemental Plane of Fire” wrote: …their golden impurities remain perpetually molten and locked within a cycle of deposition and sublimation within the quartz… ‘Within’ is repeated twice in close succession. Could the first one be replaced with ‘into’, for ‘locked into a cycle’, or perhaps even fleshed out to something like ‘locked into a ceaseless cycle’?
NB
The next sentence starts with ‘Within’, too.
DM Reference Questions:
On Page 180, it is mentioned that pockets of breathable air which have broken off from the adjacent Elemental Plane of Air drift occasionally through the Elemental Plane of Water. Do these ever go ‘stale’ with use (unless magically renewed/refreshed) or does something in their fundamental nature keep them somehow ‘fresh’?
How is ‘down’ determined on an elemental plane?
Whilst specific overall rulers are named for efreet and shaitans, do the djinn or marids have overall rulers?
On pages 230 and 231 there is gender confusion with the “Spells”, “Prayer Attack”, “Red Shroud”, “Mantis Form”, and “Mantis Doom” abilities. In that the third person switches from female to male at times. While the rest of the prestige class article uses a female perspective.
Within the “Prayer Attack” ability it states that “DC 10 + the assassin’s class level + the assassin’s Charisma modifier”, the Assassin is a different prestige class if taken as rule as written. This is also done in the “Fade”, “Mantis Form”, and “Mantis Doom” abilities but it looks like it was done to save space for the page layout. This is all semantics but there are players out there who would argue the point.
The prestige class qualifications use the skills Move Silently and Hide and the class skill list have additional skills which are condensed within the current Pathfinder Hand Book.
The “Fade” ability referrers to the character as a definite article while previous abilities have used indefinite articles.
The spell box uses a definite article again. Unless the character has been very busy and is the only Red Mantis assassin.
ntin wrote: On pages 230 and 231 there is gender confusion with the “Spells”, “Prayer Attack”, “Red Shroud”, “Mantis Form”, and “Mantis Doom” abilities. In that the third person switches from female to male at times. While the rest of the prestige class article uses a female perspective.
Within the “Prayer Attack” ability it states that “DC 10 + the assassin’s class level + the assassin’s Charisma modifier”, the Assassin is a different prestige class if taken as rule as written. This is also done in the “Fade”, “Mantis Form”, and “Mantis Doom” abilities but it looks like it was done to save space for the page layout. This is all semantics but there are players out there who would argue the point.
The prestige class qualifications use the skills Move Silently and Hide and the class skill list have additional skills which are condensed within the current Pathfinder Hand Book.
The “Fade” ability referrers to the character as a definite article while previous abilities have used indefinite articles.
The spell box uses a definite article again. Unless the character has been very busy and is the only Red Mantis assassin.
With regard to the skills, I think that this may be because the first edition of the Campaign Setting is a 3.5 product, rather than a PFRPG product.
Bt nice to see somewhere else flagging up errata!
P. 181 Material Plane wrote: ...who have in the past - or even now - influenced events on Golarion. Minor Quibble:
The verb/tense interaction. I would prefer something like '...who have influenced in the past - or do even now - events on Golarion.' but even that seems a bit awkward.
Hmmm. Tricky.
Have these errors/quibbles been logged recently? I've been waiting partially for a 'logged' confirmation before going on again.
Edit:
And another one.
P. 181 Negative Energy Plane wrote: ...nearly invisible against the darkness if not for its own gravity well... How does a gravity well make an object 'visible'? Was something like 'undetectable' or 'unnoticeable' meant here instead of 'invisible'?
From another thread on the subject of Lamashtan race-changing (*link*), a spell from the Paizo files…
“Sean K Reynolds” wrote: Well, then here's the spell, in non-Paizo format:
Lamashtu’s Blessing
Transmutation
Level: Clr 4, Drd 4
Components: V, S, DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Willing creature touched
Duration: 1 day/level
This spell functions like polymorph, except as noted above and that you can only transform the target into a beastlike monstrous humanoid (gnoll, goblin, and so on) or a hybrid form somewhere between that of their original form and an animal (resembling a lycanthrope’s hybrid form). For example, you could make someone hyena-like (and thus resembling a gnoll), lizard-like (resembling lizardfolk), lion like, and so on. The change is purely cosmetic and the creature gains none of the abilities of the new form (gnoll-form does not grant natural armor, darkvision, increased strength, and so on), though it does disguise them as a creature of the appropriate race (a human transformed into a gnoll with this spell looks like a gnoll, even to other gnolls).
Successive uses of this spell on a target eventually make the change permanent (an instantaneous effect that cannot be dispelled), as if it were their true form. A target permanently affected in this manner breeds true as if they were a creature of their apparent shape, and can have children with creatures of their original or new form (for example, a human blessed with a gnoll-form can have offspring with gnolls or humans). The young look like a mix of their parents’ actual forms and most have the racial abilities of their untransformed parent (a child of a transformed human and a gnoll is usually a gnoll, a child of a transformed human and a human is usually a human). If there is no clear example of what sort of creature the offspring should be (such as two human-cheetah hybrids), use the game statistics for gnolls.
Priests of Lamashtu use this spell to help new tribesmen of a different race to mix with the tribe or when two tribes of different races must combine for survival. When this occurs, within a generation most of the tribe is racially mixed, and within two generations there is enough blending that all members are essentially one of the original races, though there may be some indications of the minority heritage (such as an exceptionally tall goblin, a barefaced gnoll with a short snout, and so on). A priest may use this spell to help infiltrate an enemy camp or to hide a fugitive. Rumors exist that the cult has a reversed form of this spell that makes bestial humanoids less bestial, allowing them to enter places where “monsters” are forbidden but merely ugly humans are not.
P. 181 “Positive Energy Plane” wrote: …Spoken of by some as the embers of creation’s forge, blown and tended by the gods, or something that existed even prior to the deities, it is the source of vitality and souls themselves… Minor Quibbles: When I read it, I want to add an ‘as’ for ‘…or as something that existed…’ and an ‘of’ for ‘…source of vitality and of souls themselves…’ for a better flow of words.
“Shadow Plane” wrote: Where cities appear on the Material Plane, the corresponding This is one of those lines in the print version of the Campaign Setting with the words squashed up close together.
P. 182 “Shadow Plane” wrote: …Although the deity long ago ripped free from his bonds, his eons of brewing hatred infected whole regions of the plane, and even now, the landscape there unconsciously enacts the imprisoned god’s ancient desires, as if his dreams and nightmares sullied the plane’s very fabric… The deity in question (Zon-Kuthon) is no longer trapped/imprisoned, as the first part of the sentence quoted makes clear, yet the latter part can be read as if he is still imprisoned. Since it is made clear that the plane is enacting ‘ancient desires’, would it be possible to have the sentence adjusted to read something like ‘…enacts the once imprisoned god’s ancient desires…’? I have a sense that what you’re trying to convey is that what he was like then imprinted on the plane and the plane still remembers in the current day what he was like then and acts accordingly; a kind of trauma-induced deific haunt.
This is a serious piece of work!
Way to go. A good read, especially with those few issues solved, i.e. Estrid.
Senghor had interested me. After reading Boomer's tease I'm in love with the idea.
I couldn't find it brought up in a forum search, but here's my question:
Have the printing issues regarding the poster map from the Campaign Setting HC been addressed? I notice that many cities and places are WAY off (ex. - The city of Egede in Mendev appears to be about 40 miles off the coast INTO the Lake of Mists and Veils, while in Brevoy, Port Ice appears about 60 miles INLAND!)
A minor quibble to be sure, as the Gazetteer map is fine, but the map from the HC is on sturdier paper.
I love the book, tho!!
So one good way to tell that we at Paizo have managed to ship out the 950 or so extra pages of work that have been looming over our shoulders for the past several months is the fact that I've now updated my error log copy of the PCCS with all the errors that Charles (and a few others) have brought to my attention in this thread. Thanks again for all the work, and I'm sorry that it took me so long to post the following:
Errors Logged to this point.
But I figured that logging errors in a book that's still many many months away (at least) from being reprinted was behind getting the PFRPG, the Bestiary, and the constant juggernaut that is the Pathfinder Adventure Path on schedule and shipped to the printer.
Speaking of which... back to work on PF #27 for me!
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Just found something small. Did a search on this thread, but I don't think it's been mentioned.
CS-221 wrote: Despite the long animosity between their races, the native language of the orcs uses the alphabet of Dwarven for its written form - a development many suspect originated from dwarves trying to understand the language of their enemies. Given how that sentence is constructed, and judging from how orcs and dwarves in general act, I'm guessing that what this is supposed to say is that orcs took the dwarven alphabet, not the other way around.
James Jacobs wrote: So one good way to tell that we at Paizo have managed to ship out the 950 or so extra pages of work that have been looming over our shoulders for the past several months is ... ... going to be when you guys are all ripped on Absinthe and posting rants on the messageboards willy nilly ? ^_^
As a reminder, the Holy Warrior variation for the cleric class on page 43 of the Campaign Setting will need an update, since I gather that in the final PFRPG all clerics will be proficient with the weapon of their deity anyway.
However, since in 3.5 (with an eye on backwards compatability) they will not, it might be an idea to offer some sort of choice along the lines of: 'either heavy armour proficiency or proficiency with deity's weapon' alongside the HD, BAB progression, etc that the variation grants.
Update on Achaekek's origins from *another thread*.
Delabarre wrote:
Pathfinder #9, p. 81: Quote: Yet Achaekek is not a true god, but rather one of the first creatures given life by the gods. Even early on, long before mortal life came dominate the Material Plane, some of the gods realized they would need an agent to carry out their divine justice... Pathfinder Chronicles: Gods & Magic, p. 3 Quote: Late in this age, mortals and deities alike were shcoked when the Whispering Tyrant (technically a mortal undead and certainly not a god) killed Arazni. Never before had a god been slain by mortal hand, and the gods realized they were more vulnerable than even they had feared. Many drew together to create the mantis god Achaekek to protect them from such threats... So, which version of Achaekek's creation is accurate, now?
James Jacobs wrote: If I were forced to pick one of the two, it would be the first one, since Achaekek has been around a LOT longer than Arazni's death. The Red Mantises didn't start worshiping him unitl relatively recently, but he's been around for quite some time.
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I have a trouble with Natu Tuata's stat block and the prerequisites of One Finger (page 219). One Finger states: BAB +8. Natu has BAB +4, but has One Finger in his feat list.
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The AC of Stronfeur Uherek (page 246) should be 22 (flat-footed 20) instead of 19 (17 flat-footed). His shield was missing from the equation.
P.180 “Ethereal Plane” wrote: …dreams and nightmares taken animate form within the mists… Quibble: I am uncertain if ‘taken’ is the correct verb form to use here. This may be use of an American verb form however.
P. 182 “Astral Plane” wrote: …Like the rushing air of a forge bellows, or the solar wind of a true star, the flames of Elemental Plane of Fire whip and churn the Astral’s metaphysical substance… ‘of Elemental Plane of Fire’ should be ‘of the Elemental Plane of Fire’?
“Astral Plane” wrote: …Like blind, anemic giants hybridized with translucent jellyfish, these fiends act like sharks within the Astral seas… Minor Quibble: Double use of ‘like’ reads as slightly clumsy. Would something such as ‘Like blind, anemic giants hybridized with translucent jellyfish, these fiends are the sharks of the Astral seas…’ read better?
Information from the Ustalav thread from a while back which I neglected to cross-post at the time:
Charles Evans 25 wrote: Some Ustalav related discussion from Last Tuesday's chat. The discussion started off with whether or not Vellumis was ever an Ustalav city, which is what Wes is commenting on at first:
Pathfinder Chat (18th November, 2008) wrote: ‹Wes Schneider› Actually I don't think it hurnts anything to say that it was in the way back, before the Whispering Tyrant screwed with the whole region. Since there's not really an honest to god country east of Ustalav - esspecially in that time period - its possible Virholt or Gradluch extended that far south. Even if that seems like a bit of a stretch, it's possible it was just settled by Ustalavic folk.
21:42:37 ‹Wes Schneider› I suspect Ustalav's western borders got a major revision after the wars with the W. T.
21:45:19 ‹Charles Evans› Wes Schneider: Is it possible that Ustalav might once have extended as far south as the river which currently marks the northern boundary of Nirmathas? (since rivers make for fairly popular national bundaries?)
21:47:40 ‹Wes Schneider› C.E.: Doesn't sound unreasonable. I don't think any place else was claiming it.
There was also some discussion of the two 'unnamed' counties of Ustalav, and Wes commented (if I recall correctly) that he thought one of them had been incorporated into Ardeal, but I cannot currently provide a quote regarding that.
P. 183 The Fifth Archdaemon (sidebar) wrote: Rumors abound that the Four Hoursemen serve a greater master, unknown to any outside of the daemonic courts. In truth, there is a region of Abaddon loosely bound by the four citadels, surrounded by a ring of ancient monoliths, cairns of skulls, and carved and petrified trees where space itself seems to bend, preventing entry to whatever lies within... Request for clarification:
I find the description of the mysterious area outlined in the sidebar to be confusing. Could somebody please clarify what is meant with regard to the mysterious area when it is said that is is 'loosely bound by the four citadels' and also what is meant by 'preventing entry to whatever lies within'? At the moment I'm imagining some very long stretched-out citadels (sort of like four 'great walls of China') running around the edges of the mysterious region and some weird distortions of space and time inside the mysterious region, with the fifth archdaemon in the area but simultaneously not in the area, trying to get inside to get at itself but prevented by some means for some unknown reason - this makes for an interesting situation to say the least, but I'm not quite sure if it is what is officially intended... :D
Edit:
Does 'preventing entry' mean 'denying those outside access'?
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p. 248
The Pathfinder Natu Tuata in Appendix C is described as being from an island chain in Tian Xia named "Minata". Is this supposed to be Minkai, or is this an as-yet-undocumented island chain?
Thanks,
BrOp
Oliver von Spreckelsen wrote: The AC of Stronfeur Uherek (page 246) should be 22 (flat-footed 20) instead of 19 (17 flat-footed). His shield was missing from the equation. Sorry for threadjack:
Oliver, Radavel is willing to restart Rise of the Kobold King. So far, three people have opted to continue (Me, Flash and Franz).
Clarification on the sugar situation:
Charles Evans 25 wrote: So: Does refined sugar exist in Golarion, either made from beat or cane, and if so who trades in it/sources it? James Jacobs wrote: My take: If the Golarion Cookbook is intended to present recipes that people in the real world are expected to make and enjoy, then you should use refined sugar. And since that's a fair assumption to make, it's fair to assume that refined sugar exists in Golarion. It's certainly no more anachronistic a concept than printing presses, pianos, and firearms, all of which are in Golarion.
Put another way, the Inner Sea region's had a lot longer to figure out how to refine sugar than Earth did, so I'm sure that it exists.
Also, since it appears molasses is a by-product of sugar refining, and molasses is something that I'm pretty sure has been mentioned in a Pathfinder product somewhere (and if it hasn't it will be some day!), I'd say sugar refining is a part of Golarion.
Charles Evans 25 wrote: As a reminder, the Holy Warrior variation for the cleric class on page 43 of the Campaign Setting will need an update, since I gather that in the final PFRPG all clerics will be proficient with the weapon of their deity anyway.
However, since in 3.5 (with an eye on backwards compatability) they will not, it might be an idea to offer some sort of choice along the lines of: 'either heavy armour proficiency or proficiency with deity's weapon' alongside the HD, BAB progression, etc that the variation grants.
Updates like this to the (small) rules contents are already on the to-do list. The big list of domains on page 159 is also on the chopping block, since with the PRPG we have all the domains actually in the core book. Page 159 is likely to be replaced by the big table of all the deities and their various domains and areas of concern and all that; a table that was left out of the book on accident in this first printing.
I suspect (and will champion for) the Holy Warrior variant cleric will end up granting the cleric its much ballyhooed Heavy Armor Proficiency in place of the proficiency with favored weapon that the variant currently grants.
The majority of the crunch won't have to change though, since the PRPG is compatible.
Oliver von Spreckelsen wrote: I have a trouble with Natu Tuata's stat block and the prerequisites of One Finger (page 219). One Finger states: BAB +8. Natu has BAB +4, but has One Finger in his feat list. This'll be fixed; and it'll be easy, since the PRPG has a lot more feat choices for monks than core 3.5 did.
Charles Evans 25 wrote: P. 183The Fifth Archdaemon (sidebar) wrote: Rumors abound that the Four Hoursemen serve a greater master, unknown to any outside of the daemonic courts. In truth, there is a region of Abaddon loosely bound by the four citadels, surrounded by a ring of ancient monoliths, cairns of skulls, and carved and petrified trees where space itself seems to bend, preventing entry to whatever lies within... Request for clarification:
I find the description of the mysterious area outlined in the sidebar to be confusing. Could somebody please clarify what is meant with regard to the mysterious area when it is said that is is 'loosely bound by the four citadels' and also what is meant by 'preventing entry to whatever lies within'? At the moment I'm imagining some very long stretched-out citadels (sort of like four 'great walls of China') running around the edges of the mysterious region and some weird distortions of space and time inside the mysterious region, with the fifth archdaemon in the area but simultaneously not in the area, trying to get inside to get at itself but prevented by some means for some unknown reason - this makes for an interesting situation to say the least, but I'm not quite sure if it is what is officially intended... :D
Edit:
Does 'preventing entry' mean 'denying those outside access'?
The Great Beyond has more information about this, but yes, "preventing entry" means that it prevents creatures from entering the mysterious area. It's not something we have room to expand upon in the limited resources in this entry in the book.
Branding Opportunity wrote: p. 248
The Pathfinder Natu Tuata in Appendix C is described as being from an island chain in Tian Xia named "Minata". Is this supposed to be Minkai, or is this an as-yet-undocumented island chain?
Thanks,
BrOp
It's just a name we threw out there right now. It's not something that we've yet revealed more information about, but the implication is, yes, there's a chain of islands in Tian Xia called the Minatas.
Errors logged to this point.
James Jacobs wrote: Updates like this to the (small) rules contents are already on the to-do list. The big list of domains on page 159 is also on the chopping block, since with the PRPG we have all the domains actually in the core book. Page 159 is likely to be replaced by the big table of all the deities and their various domains and areas of concern and all that; a table that was left out of the book on accident in this first printing.
(snip)
The majority of the crunch won't have to change though, since the PRPG is compatible.
At what point on the Paizo schedule is an updated/reprint of PF Campaign Setting?
1) Wishfull Thinking
2) Not on the schedule yet and the schedule is full through GenCon '10
3) Trying to fit it in in the next year
4) Firmly on the schedule ... can't say when
5) Should be in stores tomorrow :-)
Thanks
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Just came across a minor discrepancy:
The goddess "Sivanah" is sometimes spelled "Sivhana". The latter spelling is used in the "Campaign Setting" in the "Ten Other Gods" table on pg. 171, in Appendix B on pg. 247, and in the index on pg. 257.
This spelling is also used on pg. 41 of "Guide to Absalom", and on pgs. 26-27 of "Into the Darklands".
I am guessing that "Sivanah" is the correct spelling as it is not only more frequent, but the spelling used in her first description on pg. 172 of the "Campaign Setting".
Swiftbrook wrote: At what point on the Paizo schedule is an updated/reprint of PF Campaign Setting?
1) Wishfull Thinking
2) Not on the schedule yet and the schedule is full through GenCon '10
3) Trying to fit it in in the next year
4) Firmly on the schedule ... can't say when
5) Should be in stores tomorrow :-)
The correct answer is: 6) None of the above.
We still have stock in our warehouse, and as with all of our products, the thing that triggers a reprint is when a book gets low on stock or sells out, and sales are strong enough to warrant a reprint to get it back in stock.
When it DOES get reprinted, all of the errors I've been tracking (both from this thread and from what we notice in house here at Paizo) will be corrected. We'll also be updating it to work with the PFRPG itself better, while not losing its 3.5 utility; this basically means changing a few minor crunch elements in the classes chapter and a few of the prestige classes and the four stat blocks at the end of the book. We'll also replace the big list of SRD domains at the start of the religion chapter with a big table that summarizes all of the world's deities. At least... that's what I imagine we'd be adjusting. Nothing TOO major, and nothing that makes the current version of the book "out of date" at all.
In any case, until we hit the inventory level that triggers a reprint, we won't be reprinting. As for my best guess WHEN that might be... hard to say, but certainly not within a year.
Branding Opportunity wrote: Just came across a minor discrepancy:
The goddess "Sivanah" is sometimes spelled "Sivhana". The latter spelling is used in the "Campaign Setting" in the "Ten Other Gods" table on pg. 171, in Appendix B on pg. 247, and in the index on pg. 257.
This spelling is also used on pg. 41 of "Guide to Absalom", and on pgs. 26-27 of "Into the Darklands".
I am guessing that "Sivanah" is the correct spelling as it is not only more frequent, but the spelling used in her first description on pg. 172 of the "Campaign Setting".
Sivanha is the goddess of illusions and mystery, and therefore the spelling of her name is an enigma.
To be more precise, though, Sivanah is probably the one we'll stick with as the correct spelling, even though in my homebrew game where she came from she was spelled "Sivhana." I had to fight hard to get Sarenrae's spelling right in the same way (initially, everyone else here at Paizo spelled it Saranrae.) I was too distracted by other things to preserve Sivhana's spelling, and now it looks like it's probably settled in on Sivanah as the correct Golarion spelling of the name.
Error logged.
Page 61:
The map of Andoran shows a settlement named 'Perin's Bluff'. Is this supposed to be 'Piren's Bluff' from the Last Baron series, and if so then I presume this one is a typing error?
Charles Evans 25 wrote: Page 61:
The map of Andoran shows a settlement named 'Perin's Bluff'. Is this supposed to be 'Piren's Bluff' from the Last Baron series, and if so then I presume this one is a typing error?
I'll have to check... I fear that the typo might actually be one in the module though. Last Baron hit at a pretty rough time when we'd just let go the employee who was working on the modules line and we had to scramble to pick up the threads.
On a quick leaf through my dead-tree copy, I find Piren's Bluff appears to have been used consistently throughout LB1; if this usage carried through to LB2, and it is the location indicated on the map in the campaign setting on Page 61, it seems to me it might be easier to change the official name to Piren's Bluff, rather than carry out a find/replace operation on two modules.
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Charles Evans 25 wrote: On a quick leaf through my dead-tree copy, I find Piren's Bluff appears to have been used consistently throughout LB1; if this usage carried through to LB2, and it is the location indicated on the map in the campaign setting on Page 61, it seems to me it might be easier to change the official name to Piren's Bluff, rather than carry out a find/replace operation on two modules.
Is the Piren or Perin for which the Bluff is named in evidence anywhere perhaps?
Page 231: "*Provided the Red Mantis assassin has sufficient Intelligence to have a bonus spell of this level."
Should read "Charisma".
P. 182 “Abaddon” wrote: …shrouded as it is by the weird perpetual twilight of a solar eclipse… Does this actually mean that there are ‘heavenly bodies’ (in the sense of sun(s), moon(s), stars, etc) in the Outer Sphere, if Abaddon has a permanent solar eclipse?
If not, then what are the main sources of illumination other than local spell effects or fires/(al)chemical reactions?
P. 183 “The Abyss” wrote: …In these places, the Abyss waits and hungers, spawning forth myriad races of demons from the raw froth that boils and churns within, belched forth from the interaction of the Abyss with other planes, and even from the meddling of other fiendish races… This is one long sentence which I lose any certainty of the meaning of past ‘boils and churns within’. It feels to me that words and/or punctuation has gone missing between the ‘within’ and the ‘belched’. My best guess is that the intention is something like ‘…within; corruption belched forth from…’ although the corruption could just as easily be demons, raw froth, chaos matter, or some other overall something or other pervasive to the Abyss which the sentence desperately needs in front of the verb ‘belched’.
P. 184 “The Boneyard” wrote: Every soul passing through the Astral migrates toward a Great Spire rising up from the surface… Query:
Should ‘Great Spire’ have capital letters implying that it is a proper noun?
P. 186 “Heaven” wrote: …have seen a brilliant, fruit-laded tree at the garden’s… Quibble:
Should ‘fruit-laded’ be ‘fruit-laden’ or is ‘fruit-laded’ the correct US form?
P. 187 “The Maelstrom/Limbo wrote: …they refer to as the Speakers From of the Depths, whom scholars speculate… Query:
Is ‘Speakers From of the Depths’ correct? In a different context I would simply flag this up as an error, and assume it was supposed to be ‘Speakers From the Depths’, but these are concepts held by chaos natives so something odd might be going on.
General Questions:
Does Golarion’s Styx have a similar effect on memories to that which third edition D&D's Styx did, or is this undecided as of yet? (For what it matters, I believe that in classical roman/greek mythology it was supposed to be the River Lethe of the underworld that suppressed memories, not the Styx.)
Is it possible to leave the Outer Sphere by finding a deep enough crack in it/chasm in the Abyss through which to pass to whatever may be 'outside'? (Whether or not it is even remotely possible to survive ‘outside’ the Outer Sphere is another matter altogether…)
Charles Evans 25 wrote: Does Golarion’s Styx have a similar effect on memories to that which third edition D&D's Styx did, or is this undecided as of yet? (For what it matters, I believe that in classical roman/greek mythology it was supposed to be the River Lethe of the underworld that suppressed memories, not the Styx.) There's rules for the Styx in "Beyond the Vault of Souls," I believe.
Charles Evans 25 wrote: Is it possible to leave the Outer Sphere by finding a deep enough crack in it/chasm in the Abyss through which to pass to whatever may be 'outside'? (Whether or not it is even remotely possible to survive ‘outside’ the Outer Sphere is another matter altogether…) We haven't said, and probably never will. My theory: the qlippoths come from whatever's on the "outside" of the outer sphere, and the ones that leak through into this reality via the Abyss are the wimpy ones. AKA: What's on the outer parts of the outer sphere is really bad news indeed. But we'll probably never know for sure. (ALTHOUGH! I did run a campaign in my homebrew that did some stuff with this...)
Very Minor Quibble:
P. 175 (Campaign Setting) Other Demon Lords wrote: Kabriri: Him Who Gnaws, Lord of Graves and Ghouls. P. 59 (Pathfinder #18) Demon Lords of Golarion wrote: Kabriri, He Who Gnaws... Okay, this one is just to point out that it's 'Him Who Gnaws' in one source (The Campaign Setting) and 'He who Gnaws' in another source (the article on Demon Lords in Pathfinder #18). It might well be both versions, for all that I know, (depending on what company you're in) and it probably doesn't matter that much until you come to try to use a search-engine to look though computer files based on either 'Him Who Gnaws' or 'He Who Gnaws' - because you can't remember his name and/or how to spell Kabriri, but you do recall approximately the soubriquet.
It would be fun, of course, if it is both versions, as it could be a point of feud within Kabriri's followers, where those who call Kabriri 'Him Who Gnaws' look upon those who use 'He Who Gnaws' as arrogant twits and snobs, whereas those who use 'He Who Gnaws' look upon those who use 'Him Who Gnaws' as simple rustic yokels.
As a quick aside... this is a case where deliberate poor grammar got accidentally corrected at the last minute in the copy edit stage.
The correct one is "Him Who Gnaws."
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