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What edition of D&D do you currently expect to be playing at the end of 2008?
(Note: You may change your vote at any time!)
Well my option isn't there
3E with whatever is good from 4E crammed in. I already house rule the heck out of 3E anyways.
End of 2008, D&D 3.5
End of 2011, D&D 5.0
I've been playing D&D since 1980 and have hundreds of RPG books in the house. That's a crapload of money spent on this hobby. I jumped into 3rd edition and bought everything. Actually PLAYED with a lot of it. I reluctantly ponied up for 3.5 and I'm done with change for a while. It's a playable system. I'm happy, my 7 players are happy. We'll sit this next one out, thank you.
If WoTC wants my money that bad, they'll just have to wait until 5th edition. I did the whole frequent upgrades thing with Magic the Gathering for several years before I burned out.
I just want to play.
Ed
3.5 for a long while to come have a bookshelf worth of books and dragon mags to mine for games why would i change.
3.5 since we will not have finished Shackled City..
Elcian
What, no brightly colored box edition? No all of the above? No multiple selctions? I'll probably be playing 4 if only to write for it. And I'll probably be playing a half-dozen of the games I own, so no vote from me.
Triple G
I'm finally sold. They really did it. Apparently they're doing a whole "core" series for each setting--one per year. Three whole books detailing one beloved setting after other.
...Man these guys could keep me buying at least three books a year for as long as they keep this up. It seems they've finally done something right.
I can't wait for the Dark Sun one!
I will stay with 3.5. I will sadly discontinue my two subscriptions I have with Paizo if they are converted to 4th edition.
So far it looks like 3rd edition is winning by far (thats where my vote went). But it is actually much closer. If you add together the pro 4th edition, follow Paizo and the undecided votes(assuming Paizo only switch if its a good system) you end up with 136 votes to the 158 3rd edition. (as I post).
Add to that that probably the posters here are the most passionate about the game and the rest will follow the crowd and from a business pont of view its looking like unless 4th edition is a disaster for existing players thats where the money is.
Elcian
PS I agree Grim, core books setting specific does sound appealing. Good to have you back by the way.
The whole conversion to 4 has soured me a bit, and I'm a little tired of endlessly upgrading. Not to mention WoTC can print hardbound books like crazy, yet not produce Dragon in "Dead Tree?" I'm sitting tight, but I wouldn't be surprised if I lay off D&D altogether for a few years until they sort this all out.
The whole conversion to 4 has soured me a bit, and I'm a little tired of endlessly upgrading. Not to mention WoTC can print hardbound books like crazy, yet not produce Dragon in "Dead Tree?" I'm sitting tight, but I wouldn't be surprised if I lay off D&D altogether for a few years until they sort this all out.
Gamers don't want books, they want to read off a screen.
Oh, I guess the DI department hasn't told that bit of marketing wisdom to the guys working on those books no one will buy ;-)
I'll stick with 3.5 for quite awhile. Who knows maybe I'll convert over when it is 5th edition.
I'm split between 3.5 and wherever Paizo goes. Most likely I'll stick with 3.5 or maybe a Paizo 3.75. 4E has really turned me off and I expect I won't play it at all. If I wanted to play an MMORPG I'd log-in to World of Warcraft not 4e.
So far it looks like 3rd edition is winning by far (thats where my vote went). But it is actually much closer. If you add together the pro 4th edition, follow Paizo and the undecided votes(assuming Paizo only switch if its a good system) you end up with 136 votes to the 158 3rd edition. (as I post).
Add to that that probably the posters here are the most passionate about the game and the rest will follow the crowd and from a business pont of view its looking like unless 4th edition is a disaster for existing players thats where the money is.
Elcian
PS I agree Grim, core books setting specific does sound appealing. Good to have you back by the way.
The other way to look at it is that, right now, 3rd has 162. You could take the ones that will stay with Paizo (74), and split the undecided (56/2 = 28) and you end up with 264, compared to 55 on board with 4.0. That's a fairly large margin! :)
Although, I agree that eventually Paizo will go the 4.0 way...I just hope it's not for a long time, if ever...
JT storm wrote,
The other way to look at it is that, right now, 3rd has 162. You could take the ones that will stay with Paizo (74), and split the undecided (56/2 = 28) and you end up with 264, compared to 55 on board with 4.0. That's a fairly large margin! :)
Although, I agree that eventually Paizo will go the 4.0 way...I just hope it's not for a long time, if ever...
Quite true, well I guess that proves the point about lies damn lies and statistics.
Elcian
, well I guess that proves the point about lies damn lies and statistics.Elcian
82% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
What edition of D&D do you currently expect to be playing at the end of 2008?
(Note: You may change your vote at any time!)
No more gaming for me next year.
As ever,
ACE
What edition of D&D do you currently expect to be playing at the end of 2008?
(Note: You may change your vote at any time!)
No more gaming for me next year.
As ever,
ACE
Because of work, family, or because of your gaming group?
As much as I travel I decided I couldn't take the time away from my family, so I gave up my game a while back. It was regretable because it was the best group I had ever been part of (plus they put up with my idiosyncracies).
Because of work, family, or because of your gaming group?As much as I travel I decided I couldn't take the time away from my family, so I gave up my game a while back. It was regretable because it was the best group I had ever been part of (plus they put up with my idiosyncracies).
Actually, all three. I'm starting a new job, our family is moving to Durham NC, and our current game group hasn't played in a few months...I don't see enough momentum to keep things going any more. It is sad, but most of the players in our group have siginficantly reprioritized (or caved to wives or job) and do not have the drive to continue to game. I am one who has caved because of work. And now with move and our group scattered i think it is time to hang up the gaming dice at least for a year or two if not longer...I may not resurrect them this time :) (RIP). D&D especially and RPGs in general have been a huge part of my life for the past 18 years and a hobby that I will still follow and enjoy in some capacity (not sure yet). Thanks for asking, though, brother.
As ever,
ACE
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Since were planning on playing the Savage Tide adventure path in a month or two and that it took us 2 years to finish the Age of Worms I'm not worried about 4e as of right now. In fact I view it as the Vista of RPG, I'll give them a year or two to work out the bugs!!!So you're saying you'll buy 4.5 when it comes out in May 2010.
May 2010? you give them that much time? I say 4.25 in 2009...5E on Dec 21, 2012!
Well, I know for a fact that I will be playing 3.5 at the end of 2008. The reason for this is that I'm just about to start up a Savage Tide campaign, and I expect it to run at least 2-3 years before we're done. I won't change edition mid-campaign.
I'm quite sure that if I play at the end of 2008 - and hopefully I will -
it will be DnD 3.5...maybe spiced up with some 4E goodies, should there be any and if a conversion is useful.
But overall it will be 3.5.
Interesting answers out there from everyone. For me, I plan to continue well into 2008 with my 3.5 campaign (I don't like to convert during a campaign). However, I will buy and check out 4e when it arrives. Finally, I may start a second campaign online with the virtual table tools offered in D&D insider when they arrive. To me, this is one of the most exciting features of the digital initiative and 4e. I will be able to play D&D (as close to table top as I can get) with old friends and family who (sadly)live too far away. This will put them only a click of a mouse away. For me, this is really what D&D is about, having fun with friends and family. I'm glad to see that WOTC is (finally) getting back to this idea.
Let's see. This poll probably isn't helping Paizo make a decision, unless that decision is to switch AND offer conversions...
Let's see. This poll probably isn't helping Paizo make a decision, unless that decision is to switch AND offer conversions...
Unfortunately, that would be WOTC's fault. They should have made the digital initiative for 3.5 and just added some more options. Kind of like they did with the old Combat & tactics/Skills & Powers/ Spells & Magic for 2e. Alas, I don't know how much 4e is going to be totally new or if it is going to be more akin to the jump from 1e to 2e. Which was very minor. I guess we will have to wait for the info. to drip out from Dragon/Dungeon previews.
I think the issue might be more fundamental then all of that. Paizo's current products are not meant to be stand-alones (I believe). They all depend on the play groups having DMGs, PHBs, and MMs. Now once WotC stops production of new 3(.X) books, that means there will be limited supply of them. If Paizo stays with 3(.X), that means they will be severly limited on their growth potential. They will be limited to people who were already invested in the game or new players who are able to purchase old copies of the core texts.
They will not be able to get the new group who just started playing and does not have any old core books to start buying their products. They will have to switch to 4th edition eventually if they want to be able to have the ability to grow, or even to stay constant (because you will always lose some customers and if you can't get new ones to replace them ...).
So I don't think it is a question of whether Paizo will start making 4th edition products, they will, the question is when will they begin and will they continue to make 3(.X) products as well. It doesn't have to be one or the other it could be both, and for the first year or two should probably be both.
Now if 4th edition is not OGL then it is possible that Paizo could make books with the core rules from the 3(.X) OGL, I think. Like how games like Conan and such have done. In that case if Paizo could control the creation of core books, they could then keep their ability to attract new customers with the older rules as viable.
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My group and I will definitely still be playing 3.5 (with a smattering of houserules). My current D&D 3.5 library is 30+ hardcover books. 4th Edition would have to be something VERY special to make me even consider switching systems and losing the use of those books. Also my group has been getting together once a week for over 9 years now, we are not really interested in any digital form of D&D.
~Rusty
I'm still not sure what I'll be doing. My group wants to stick to 3.5, but I'm at least buying the 4e core books to give them a look over. In the end, I'll probably stick to 3.5, but if Paizo switches to 4e, I might just follow over.
I plan to stick with 3.5 until sometime in 2010. At that point I'll take a close look at 4e and make a decision based on:
- how much I have to houserule to make the game feel like D&D
- whether WotC has lost control of their splat books again
- what adventures are available for 4e (Pathfinder and GameMastery will figure heavily)
3rd edition. And my cold, undead fingers have ghoul touch, so don't even try it!
2nd edition Forgotten Realms, as it always has been and always will be.
I'm finally sold. They really did it. Apparently they're doing a whole "core" series for each setting--one per year. Three whole books detailing one beloved setting after other.
...Man these guys could keep me buying at least three books a year for as long as they keep this up. It seems they've finally done something right.
I can't wait for the Dark Sun one!
What's this about? Revamps of the old campaign settings?!?! Where was this posted?!?!
Oh, and btw, 3.5. I'll buy the 4.0 books just to look at.
For my money it works like this:
I literally own everything that WoTC has produced for the core line of 3.0 and 3.5. As a thritysomething gamer with a family I just don't have the time to game like I used to, so my books are in great condition and not as well read as they probably should be. The announcement of 4th edition came to me as a relief - with 3.5 "done" I won't have to buy anything ever again. This literally will free up about $2,000 a year for me that I would normally have spent on d20 stuff. I don't have any political or loyalty issues with it - it's just more convenient to stay at 3.5. I have no issues with the rule set, and personally everything I have seen so far for 4e leaves me with a feeling of "meh".
Personally I find the whole look so far to be a bit too cartoonish and the marketing to be a bit too subscription focused. I think it is great, I think they will be largely succesful, but I also think their core demographic will see a dramatic shift over the next 4 to 5 years and I hope they are prepared for that - which I am sure they are.
To make it even more of a clean break for me, the DnD Minis do not look all that favorable as well. Again, here is a huge area that I was spending money on that I will no longer have to. Again, the look is just too cartoony.
My wife is ecstatic - however, she hasn't realized yet that all that money will still be getting spent on gaming, just not DnD. I suspect that without new rules coming out, my game will continue along just fine and instead of new content I will develop my own for my own use like I used to do back when I couldn't afford stuff.
Any money I am spending will be directed towards the hobby side of things - making terrain, painting figs, etc. So I guess ultimately what I am saying is this: I understand the move to 4e, but I don't need it - as a result Reaper will probably get more of my money now, and companies like Paizo as well - providing of course they continue to pique my interest.
EDIT - as a caveat to all of this, my daughter will most likely be coming of "gamer age" about the time 5.5 or 6th edition comes out, so maby I will look to switching then. Gotta keep up the family tradition!
I must say that my players and I groaned, cursed and threw things when we found out about the propsal for 4e. I'm sorry, I've invested too much in 3.5 and it works for us.
I'm sure I might take a look at it eventually, but right now I'm happy with what I have.
I can't decide. 4.0 seems like it will be great, but I think I'll approach it as an entirely different game. Who knows where I'll be next year. I just finished a 1st edition game and am working on a d20 Modern game. Before the first edition, we played Dark Ages: Mage. Long story short, if 4.0 is good it will be high on the list of what games we choose from when we end campaigns (we go through campaigns like tissues). If it sucks, it will sit there like my Dark Ages: Inquisitor book. Lonely and forgotten.
I feel that WoTC is jumping the gun on 4E by at least two years. And I believe my group feels the same way. There are no glaring problems that need to be fixed in 3.5 If anything the problem is too many variants and supplements that follow the variants and not the core (ie the Complete Mage was way to warlock biased and I kind of like the warlock).
When the rumors of a 4E surfaced last spring, I discussed it with members of my group and we decided that we didn't want to see a new edition of the game before 2010 or 2011 at the earliest. We saw no need for a new edition.
We were stunned when it turned out that Wizards planned to introduce a new edition in 2008. When we learned of the impending new edition we reaffirmed our decision to stick with 3.5 for at least 3 or 4 more years. After we started learning about the sorts of changes 4E apparently makes--dumbing the game down for simple children, putting core material on the web and charging extra for it so that even buying the new core rules won't suffice to get all the new material, and radically changing 30+ years of D&D cosmology and classification of devils, etc.--we decided that we won't ever switch to 4E. Whether we might switch to some sort of 5E remains to be seen.
What edition of D&D do you currently expect to be playing at the end of 2008?
(Note: You may change your vote at any time!)
Like that'll help. No, I'll stick to 3.5 Revised. I have most of the books and I do not feel like updating to a new edition. When $th ed. comes out with a SRD, while download it for free. (I hope.)
That and I still have 2nd edition games.
I'm working on some homebrew stuff for Mutants and Masterminds 2nd ed. d20 and I still use Star Wars RPG west End games version.
JnW
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I will check out 4.0 but right now my plan is to use the edition of the adventures we are playing. I am committed to running Pathfinder for the forseeable future. Yesterday I packed up all my Forgotten Realms books and adventures and put them in the garage and filed away all the other things I have picked up in the past couple of months.
I am really looking forward to Second Darkness. I am running RotR right now - we had our second session Saturday. The group has had some hard times and is about to move into the deepest level of Thisletop.
We have plenty of 3.5 edition goodness ahead. I also would love to run Savage Tide in the future. I think my change will only when it is necessary to run Pathfinder. Make mine Marvel (...oops wrong decade).
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I'm not planning on switching to 4th edition ever. I might think about switching to 5th edition when it comes out, but even that is pretty unlikely. I think 3.x is easy enough to work with to make it work the way I want. For example, I think Wizard Staffs should do more than serve as glorified wands in 3.0. But I can change that and still keep everything else the same.
So, I'm not switching to 4th edition. If Paizo makes the switch I might consider it, but still I probably would not.
I'd like to keep buying your products, and the edition certainly matters to a degree. I don't think I'll maintain a Gamemastery subscription for 4th edition. Even Pathfinder I'm iffy about.
Though I will say that one way you can encourage me to stick around is offering the option to 'prepay' a certain amount of money. For example, if I paid you $200 today, the 'month to month subscription' would start taking money from that $200. This is better for me because I don't like the monthly charges on my credit card. I'd rather pay a large sum of money when convenient, rather than have to work it into my budget every month (can you say bonus?).
So, I'll keep playing 3rd edition. If Paizo starts producing for 4th edition, I will probably buy some at first. Will I stay with it? It depends on how well it works with my 3.x campaign.