Viletta Vadim wrote:
My bad...it's easy to run the one line snark out there and i haven't frequented these boards in a quite a while. Just a sign of the times - i'm too old to back up my snark with perspective. I was zealous about the core of said snarky comment a few years ago but have been reduced to typing this response instead of really getting involved.
Steve Geddes wrote:
No such thing as a poor, purchased adventure. There is only a poorly run adventure!
So many great books and pieces of Literature/literature that, over time, have all helped shape my world view. A few come to mind that immediately made impressions on me at various points in my life to dramatically change that view (and ultimately lead me to the ACE you see here!) and here they are in chronological order:
1) Catcher in the Rye (J.D. Salinger)
Each corresponds with a good block of my life: High School, Undergrad, then Grad School and beyond. What is interesting, looking back at the three, is that they are all fairly overtly *about* idealistic perspectives. Also, I still read a fair amount but i don't think that there has been anything that i've read in the past five or six years that has had the same internal effects that the three pieces listed here have had at those other points in my life.
Maybe i'm due for #4?
Any suggestions for a 30-something year old married dad that may fit that bill?
I dunno if anyone else brought this up elsewhere on these boards, but IMO GenCon was smaller this year than in years past.
I say "smaller" because it seemed so for a number of reasons:
2) Venders. Wow, the exhibit hall was not nearly as crowded with venders this year. Wizards showed up with a pitiful booth compared to last year and even two years ago and were only demoing Magic, D&D minis, and maybe another game or two (unless i missed them elsewhere). Paizo seemed to have a slightly larger area for demoing and display than in years past (if i am remembering correctly). The most disturbing trend, however, was the ratio of video game display booths to ALL OTHERS. I'd hazard a guess that software companies like blizzard, EA, and Sony took about 1/4 of the entire exhibit hall. They were mostly lumped together in one quadrant of the hall and maybe that skewed my perception in comparison but the video game presence was more noticible than ever.
3) Me. This was my third year in a row and maybe the novelty has worn off, maybe i'm just getting old, or maybe it's just that i know what to expect from that convention. For whatever reason, it just wasn't as exciting as in years past. I slept for more hours at the convention this year than in the two previous years combined (about 8 hours sleep for three nights). I'm sure that was a contributing factor.
4) Big Bad End Product (BBEP). Finally, I can't think of one NEW or upcoming tabletop blockbuster product that was being promoted heavily this year. If so, what was it? I missed it as a casual fan and if I missed it, i guarentee that many others like me missed it also.
Anyway, for those of you who went, hope you had a great time...for those who didn't, drop by next year!
Hi all -
For Paizo staff: GenCon Indy is about four months away. I was wondering if it is too early to call for help running demos. I'll be attending again this year and am willing to run demos for Paizo if you will be needing help.
For anyone who has volunteered in the past: what was your experience like? How many hours did you demo? Event tickets open up this Sunday (April 20)...did you plan your personal events around demo help? What can a volunteer expect? Thanks for any advice in advance!
I agree with the OP. Additionally, it bites most for those folks at Paizo who have to waste time jacking around with this. For every 2 minutes it takes for a bunch of people indvidually to be inconsiderate i'm willing to bet that it takes someone at Paizo 2 minutes to fiddle with considering a post on their boards. 2 minutes to 30 posters is 2 minutes of time for each of them...it's an hour for someone at Paizo. Do the math - it would bite.
My guess is that that time could better be used putting together another RPG Superstar, or how about fixing the dead post bug ;), or what about editing manuscript for another product line. I hope none of this mess will affect willingness to playtest whatever Paizo games are at GenCon this year. Or for volunteers to want to be a part of the Paizo booth at that event. I hope that Eric and James will be giving talks about writing for an RPG publisher (as I will be attending again for the 3rd year in a row). I hope that this nonsense doesn't sour relationships built over the years and turn off newcomers for whatever the reasons.
I will say that for a number of reasons beyond what i consider to be not that big of a deal with the 4e release, I don't like the thought of collatoral damage to any of the things that I mention here and many others that I haven't experienced in this community that are awsome, but i know others have.
Firstly, I applaud the attempt to encompass as many issues as the OP does in one post...there are a lot of moving parts that have gone toward even creating this thread. This kind of lengthy post, to me and even in it's incompleteness, is highly desirable over many kinds of shorter posts that don't seem fully developed. At least we can all see how the OP comes up with the mental steps involved in reaching his/her viewpoint.
That said, throughout this thread the OP has a problem with the arguement build. Weather knowingly or not, OP begins by utilizing a school of philosophy called deconstructivism. One of the schools of literary criticism that one can apply to pieces of text to derive meaning (see also sign/signifier guy...Saussure i think).
The trick is to take a little slice of a large context and explode it. European style where explode = to drill down or explore more completely. It is both the jumping off point for such an argument and it's final conclusion. Typically, this involves exploring ALL possible angles of a the said material to end up saying: "And, after all of that...THIS is the meaning of Lisa's comment!" In a solid argument, it's good to take a linear approach to arriving at your conclusion (what one wants to impress on others).
Here the OP uses said material as a platform to jump off of and goes the opposite direction of deconstructionist rhetoric...instead of exploring an interpretation of the words, instead, explores quickly introduced memes pulled from several different thoughts, feelings, ideas, and actual events that have occurred as far back as the creation of 3e and as recent as moderation on message boards at Paizo (as far as i can tell). Heh, I like to call this the phylomemetic tree build *TM* and looks kinda like the USDA Food pyramid if you consider it graphically.
Problem is...the further away one gets from the actual words that Lisa Stevens says (point of the triangle) the more assumptions one has to make to jump from meme to meme and end up at a conclusion (more on this to come). The same Lisa Stevens quote can be approached the exact same way and end up at largely different conclusions!
I guess what i'm trying to say is that there are so many assumptions to consider in the OP arguement, that it is:
Just a suggestion, but if folks have something to say directly TO another poster, is the content of that correspondance appropriate for our community? Is the subject matter better served by creating a private discourse?
Consider the use of arguing in public, fighting in public, debating in public, and even apologizing in public. What do those things accomplish? When are they appropriate?
Perhaps the obvious needs to be stated again here: Everything that gets posted (and now stays posted) is public. If you find yourself engaged in a one-way post thread with one or two individuals, consider that others are reading and choosing either to respond publicly or not at all.
To a degree it is understandable that folks will get upset about a topic that is affecting all of us in a community (here the RPG community). It should never have to be spelled out what that threshold is for appropriate discourse, but in this case it needed to be.
When i get as upset as some folks have over the past few months i take a break from whatever it is that is upsetting. My advice: if you find yourself highly angered about anything in life, if possible, stop - step back from whatever it is that is upsetting - do something else for a while - come back when you are level headed and can approach whatever WAS upsetting you with measured responses.
It's too bad that folks are leaving these forums for whatever their reasons are. I would encourage those who are considering leaving and read this post to reconsider. I know that I speak for a segment of long time readers and posters to these forums (like myself) when i say that I'll be glad when everyone gets a chance to finally see all of the core material for 4e and gets a chance to playtest the game. I believe that, while it is not too soon to discuss everything that has been discussed in these forums regarding the upcoming edition, it is very much premature to invest personal feelings in 4e and/or divest them from whatever game one enjoys currently playing.
I have specifically stayed away from the 4e forums - i believe this is my third or fourth post in these forums since they started. Why? Because I said my peace the first post regarding the edition, made my viewpoint clear and let it be done. I'd suggest that one can categorize different approaches to the release into several categories and points of perspective...this has been done many times by different folks who are aware of the different viewpoints one could take on the upcoming edition. Paizo has taken polls on it.
Within most other Paizo community forums here, the topics discussed focus on gaming advice, alternate rules systems, game theory, off topic stuff, etc. With 4e most of us are in a camp. You may never buy a 4e product, you may buy everything, you may be waiting and gathering information. Perhaps one could argue that heated debates on pro vs. con will help sway anyone who is still undecided. Other than that, all the chatter is either a bunch of "togethers" bobbing their heads in agreement or "dissidents" throwing stones across a fence.
What's the point?
What it has done is made me and others who were used to engaging in thoughtful discourse on any given topic not contribute to overall discussion. That is a community loss. It is also, in my opinion, a silent acceptance that the behavior that has gone on for months in the 4e forums is acceptable. It is not. Those of us who feel similarly should lead by example and not go away like i have, until now. When the CEO of the company that is hosting the forums has to stickey a thread regarding the behaivor of the guests to these boards everyone needs to stop and listen...and think. It is an embarassment for me to even see that the postmaster general has to moderate...why? Because those of us who have been here for a long time recognize that the extent of the problems in 4e threads is a first on these boards.
I would urge all of us to consider why and how these boards are being used especially with a topic that is obviously very sensitive to our entire community right now.
I'd like to add a new professional usage of the term "smurf" or smurf derivitives. From one of our Fraud Handbook publications glossary:
Smurfing: The use of couriers (also known as smurfs) to deposit and withdraw cash or cash equivalents at financial institutions in amounts less than the reporting limit to avoid reporting requirements.
See also: Money laundering.
I don't know if the term life of product is the same as life of title...i suspect that is what you are both trying to say. If that's the case you are both kinda wrong. Life of title (LOT) has to do with print runs. In publishing, at a project proposal stage, the product viability is based on LOT print runs for either a specific product code or ISBN. This is (at first) an estimation of how many products will be printed or produced and is used for estimating gross profit margins. Of course, the publisher can run reprints for as long as they wish...in that case, the LOT can go on forever (as long as the product code or ISBN is the exact same). After the publisher puts that specific product to rest, only then can one review a true LOT number.
Hope this helps.
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By the by...it's an excellent question to ask anyone. It tells you a little about how they think. Some of the folks responding above considered the question very well. It asks the responder to consider the non-absolutes: what components of storytelling are useful? and what components are truth(ful)? I don't think there are right or wrong answers to the question (BTW).
Haroun asks his father this very question in Rushdie's: Haroun and the Sea of Stories in a fit of anger and sorrow after his mother leaves his father. Haroun's father is a storyteller by trade - that's his only job and he is the only storyteller in an otherwise gloomy and mechanized city. Rushdie explores this question throughout the text (as well as several others) and I highly recommend the read to anyone who is interested.
There hasn't been much traffic here, so i'll toss out some psychoanalysis rhetoric to tack on to what Tensor was hitting on in her posts.
In his touchstone work: Literary Theory, Terry Eagleton writes:
I think that it is quite appropriate to categorize Edna as a self-repressed individual as far as Freud's "pleasure principle" can be applied in The Awakening. Her relationships with Mr. P and her children, Chopan's characterization of Edna's youth and love-interests, and the obivous foil of her personality vs. the Creole personality type.
If you conceptualize what it means to live in relation to Freud's "pleasure principle" along a gradient, I would submit that over the first six chapters, Edna is set up as the extreme repressed and Robert represents extreme excess.
Over the next few chapters, ask yourself how the changes that the reader sees in these characters where they may fall along that gradient!
Through Chapter 22...i'll reserve serious discussion for those who would like to bring up topics. If you read a bunch of literature, you can pick out the tropes and themes that most interest you in a text. Those are typically the stories that the individual can connect to most intimately and are recalled best with that reader even after they finish the story from cover to cover. I just wanted those of us who are going to discuss The Awakening to know that this is not one of those books that resonates with me. So, I'll probably pick a mode of study to approach this text and stick with it not because i'm passionate about the topic, but as a personal intellectual exercise and to perhaps interest someone else to passionately take up where my rhetoric leaves off on this subject.
Whimsy Chris wrote: