So we all know that celest will be in the new AP So and we know that Charm person dose not work on her because she is no a humanoid. So what do we think that she is? I'm assuming that she has a Nutral or evil aliament because she was working for valadure she would either need to be nuetral and paid well or evil to be in league with him.
So what could she be? Mabye a Polymorphed dragon? Howabout another doppleganger? any ideas?
I like the polymorphed dragon idea. I doubt the writers are going to reveal anything about her though. I definitely would like some more info though - my players haven't met her yet and knowing what she is would definitely help knowing how to play her (or what her motivations are).
Until "Age of Worms" comes out and the truth behind Celeste is revealed, she's anything the DM wants her to be. And once the truth IS revealed, she's still anything the DM wants her to be.
I understand the celeste is (or any charater for that matter) is anything that the DM wants but i'm interested as to what she is suposed to be? and i'm sure that the people from paizo is not going to reveal it before the magazines are released but i wanted to try and get some disscutionabout her
I'm betting that she's one of the Bad-touched races....either a Faetouched, Tiefling, or some other planetouched.
I have always envisioned Celeste as a "Big Bad". I thought polymorphed Dragon, but thought that was too cliche.
Given what I know of AP2, I am guessing she is a demi-god-ish consort(?) of Kyuss.
But that's just a guess...
In my campaign, Celeste is actually a disguised Baba Yaga, the witch of great notoriety. Baba is attempting to shift the balance of power in the world towards her own devious ends (which happen to align with the Cagewright's purposes in this instance) and Baba will expect compensation from Archimandus, perhaps a year of servitude, if she can prove that her efforts helped to direct the PC's in setting him free.
After the players first meet Celeste, I will send my players to find Baba at her dancing hut to ask her for needed information (perhaps to gain knowledge of how to begin the Test of the Smoking Eye). Of course, once the players locate Baba, they'll find that she looks exactly like Celeste and as might also be expected, Baba will send the players on a horrible quest before she gives them any information.
This opens up my campaign to numerous other plot elements involving Baba depending on the actions of my players.
Hurm.
Am I the only one who thinks Celeste is either an Avatar of Istis, or one of her underlings? I think of her and i think of "Fate". Maybe it's just me.
Am I the only one who thinks Celeste is either an Avatar of Istis, or one of her underlings? I think of her and i think of "Fate". Maybe it's just me.Don't you mean Isis?
No, I mean Istis. A Greyhawkian (Baklunish, I think) goddess of Fate and Destiny.
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No, I mean Istis. A Greyhawkian (Baklunish, I think) goddess of Fate and Destiny.Am I the only one who thinks Celeste is either an Avatar of Istis, or one of her underlings? I think of her and i think of "Fate". Maybe it's just me.Don't you mean Isis?
Sigh. Time to dig out my dog-eared copy of the living Greyhawk gazeteer.
Sigh. Time to dig out my dog-eared copy of the living Greyhawk gazeteer.
Lol. I hope she's in there! I was going by an appendix in the 1985 printing of T1-4 Temple Of Elemental Evil. There's a whole listing of the various deities and their cultural origins.
Also, I think there's a 2e adventure based around her. Not sure. Let me know what you think of my hunch!
James,
Any info on when we will find out about her? I am still in the middle of the Shackled City AP and, knowing my players, they will not trust her, I just would prefer to do it right as opposed to right for the moment.
Neomorte
Sigh. Time to dig out my dog-eared copy of the living Greyhawk gazeteer.
Lol. I hope she's in there! I was going by an appendix in the 1985 printing of T1-4 Temple Of Elemental Evil. There's a whole listing of the various deities and their cultural origins.
Also, I think there's a 2e adventure based around her. Not sure. Let me know what you think of my hunch!
She's in 3e. "Istus, Lady of Our Fate, The Colorless and All-Colored", the Baklunish pantheon's most powerful deity.
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Nik
"Istus. Greater Goddess (neutral). The Lady of Fate. Istus is a powerful deity who takes an abstract interest in the destinies of mortal and immortal alike. She carries a golden spindle with which she weaves the strands of fate together, spinning the future into the present. Her clerics use divination spells to try to discern what fate will bring, then they celebrate or warn their followers accordingly.
Portfolio: Destiny, the future.
Domains: Chaos, Knowledge, Law, Luck, Oracle."
This quote is taken from pg. 122 of the Complete Divine hardcover book. As said in previous posts above, there is a great deal more to be said about Istus in older 1st edition Greyhawk supplements, but this should be enough for you to go on, should you require it.
The reason I happen to know all this trivia -- at least, this particular trivia -- is that in my Shackled City campaign, one of my player's PC is a half-orc Cleric of Istus. We treat Istus like the greater goddess that she is, and as Mistress of Fate, she is also the Keeper of the Balance, though she has clerics of all the neutral alignments. We also dropped the Chaos and Law domains and substituted Balance and Fate from various FR supplements. Just picture a combination of Piers Anthony's aspect of Fate from "With a Tangled Skein" and the three-in-one Fates of Greek Mythology, also called the Furies or even the Kindly Ones. This might give you a literature reference to base your depiction of the Goddess upon.
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James,
Any info on when we will find out about her? I am still in the middle of the Shackled City AP and, knowing my players, they will not trust her, I just would prefer to do it right as opposed to right for the moment.Neomorte
We pull the curtain back on Celeste in the hardcover. She's got stats. Her reasons for being in Cauldron are revealed. Who she works for is still a mystery since that gets revealed in Age of Worms.
It's okay if the PCs don't trust her, as long as they still end up going on the bulk of the adventure in Zenith Trajectory. If they don't, you can assume that the Stormblades end up rescuing Zenith and turning him over (unknowingly) to the bad guys. In this case, you'll probably want to run a pick-up adventure to give the PCs some XP so they don't get totally ruined by "Demonskar Legacy."
I guess I can let slip one more hint about Celeste: Her alignment is Chaotic Good.
Also, I think there's a 2e adventure based around her. Not sure.
It's called "Fate of Istus," or "WG8" for short.
http://home.flash.net/~brenfrow/gh/gh-wg8.htmIt was released to act as a conversion aid to convert campaigns from 1E to 2E. It's a multipart adventure (w/ several different authors) where each chapter "tests" a different character class--if the PCs fail, the class in question loses 1 point of CON or something. Oh, and the assassin class is converted to rogues, & monks get sent to Kara-Tur. There's good & bad in the adventure--some things are cool, but others are stupid (Asian monks allying w/ the Scarlet Brotherhood, for instance). It works much better as a sourcebook, as each chapter takes place in a different city, & maps & major locations are presented for each one.
There's also an AoW connection--the connecting thread between each adventure is a little plague called the Red Death.
I guess I can let slip one more hint about Celeste: Her alignment is Chaotic Good.
Brass dragon?
