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Has anyone received their PDF yet?
I've been checking my Digital Content page hourly all day hoping I'll be a lucky one to get it on the first day. Nothing yet unfortunately, and I haven't seen any AMA posts on the forums or Reddit yet, so doesn't look like anybody has yet. Paizo is on Pacific Time though, so hopefully soon, or perhaps they are running a bit behind on shipments.
I just keep telling myself...be patient!

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wildweasel wrote:Just downloaded :)How much juicy detail is there regarding the details of Gorum's death and its impact on the setting, as well as other events in Avistan and on other continents?
There is a 15 page or so Mythic Gazateer chapter, and it touches on Arcadia, Casmaron, Garund, and Tian Xia.

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How's the Mythic bestiary look? I'm dying to hear the monsters and their levels!
Mythic is a template that can be applied to monsters of any level, with effects that vary/scale based on level, plus extras from an optional mythic role sub-template. They provide four examples of levels 4-12.
There are seven named mythic monsters meant to have an entire campaign wrapped around them, each gets six pages of background, advice on how to use them across all 20 levels, etc. they range from level 6 to 25.

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Kavlor wrote:There is a 15 page or so Mythic Gazateer chapter, and it touches on Arcadia, Casmaron, Garund, and Tian Xia.wildweasel wrote:Just downloaded :)How much juicy detail is there regarding the details of Gorum's death and its impact on the setting, as well as other events in Avistan and on other continents?
So, if I understand correctly, we finally have more information about the geography of Casmaron and Arcadia?

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Encolpius wrote:How's the Mythic bestiary look? I'm dying to hear the monsters and their levels!Mythic is a template that can be applied to monsters of any level, with effects that vary/scale based on level, plus extras from an optional mythic role sub-template. They provide four examples of levels 4-12.
There are seven named mythic monsters meant to have an entire campaign wrapped around them, each gets six pages of background, advice on how to use them across all 20 levels, etc. they range from level 6 to 25.
What are they?

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I know 4E’s epic destinies have kind of spoiled me, but I find the selection of mythic destinies is kind of…lacking. We have:
* Apocalypse Rider: Become one of the Four Riders!
* Archfiend: Become an uh archfiend!
* Ascended Celestial: Become an uh archcelestial?
* Beast Lord: Become super awesome with your class feature companion (doesn’t have to be an animal)!
* Broken Chain: Become freedom!
* Eternal Legend: Become a mythic warrior (there’s a sidebar explaining your legend don’t have to be for fighting and there are feats you can select to make this kinda work but look we totally wrote this for you wuxia/chambara nerds)!
* Godling: Become a god (you and everyone else on Golarion)!
* Prophecied Monarch: Become King Arthur (or anyone that’s like a boss of somewhere/thing with bad ass pals or whatever)!
* Wild spell: Become PURE ENERGY (but not quite)!
That’s two out of nine for becoming an unholy being of godlike power, a bunch of rather specific ones, then one catchall “You’re the god of the cool thing you wanna make your character about.”

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Kavlor wrote:So, if I understand correctly, we finally have more information about the geography of Casmaron and Arcadia?We got a full (if not fully-labeled) map of Arcadia back in Guns & Gears.
Was it you who brought up awhile back that there are no simple axes in PF2?
I was thinking about that when I was putting the palstave axe in the Storied Equipment section of this book. (To be fair, it was going in regardless, but I definitely had a "Oh, this should make them happy" moment.)

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wildweasel wrote:And for subscribers?Kaliac wrote:Does anyone know when the PDF will actually be available?October 30th for non-subscribers.
Whenever your book ships. If you're in the US, probably in the next couple days, though we're running low on shipping deadline for today, so hope for tommorow or Friday, otherwise probably next week.

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Kaliac wrote:Whenever your book ships. If you're in the US, probably in the next couple days, though we're running low on shipping deadline for today, so hope for tommorow or Friday, otherwise probably next week.wildweasel wrote:And for subscribers?Kaliac wrote:Does anyone know when the PDF will actually be available?October 30th for non-subscribers.
I live in Australia so I'm guessing not for a long awhile.
This delayed release is a bit silly, why not release the PDF at the same time so everyone is equal?
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keftiu wrote:Kavlor wrote:So, if I understand correctly, we finally have more information about the geography of Casmaron and Arcadia?We got a full (if not fully-labeled) map of Arcadia back in Guns & Gears.Was it you who brought up awhile back that there are no simple axes in PF2?
I was thinking about that when I was putting the palstave axe in the Storied Equipment section of this book. (To be fair, it was going in regardless, but I definitely had a "Oh, this should make them happy" moment.)
That was me, and a subscriber friend rushed to tell me this morning - thank you!

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SpireSwagon wrote:Kaliac wrote:Whenever your book ships. If you're in the US, probably in the next couple days, though we're running low on shipping deadline for today, so hope for tommorow or Friday, otherwise probably next week.wildweasel wrote:And for subscribers?Kaliac wrote:Does anyone know when the PDF will actually be available?October 30th for non-subscribers.I live in Australia so I'm guessing not for a long awhile.
This delayed release is a bit silly, why not release the PDF at the same time so everyone is equal?
it’s not delayed, it gets sent when your book ships.

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Kaliac wrote:it’s not delayed, it gets sent when your book ships.SpireSwagon wrote:Kaliac wrote:Whenever your book ships. If you're in the US, probably in the next couple days, though we're running low on shipping deadline for today, so hope for tommorow or Friday, otherwise probably next week.wildweasel wrote:And for subscribers?Kaliac wrote:Does anyone know when the PDF will actually be available?October 30th for non-subscribers.I live in Australia so I'm guessing not for a long awhile.
This delayed release is a bit silly, why not release the PDF at the same time so everyone is equal?
Delayed in that you're only given access after your physical book begins shipping. That of course isn't going to happen for everyone on the same day and even Paizo has said it could take until next week. That just seems kinda sucky if you happen to be the unlucky ones that get stuck at the end of that queue.
It is (imo of course) a silly way to do it, just give all subscribers access to the PDF on the same day at the same time separate from when your specific book begins shipping, no one gets screwed, no one's unlucky.

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To avoid people disputing the charge before their book ships and keeping the PDF.
The only other option Paizo will accept is the PDF dropping on release date. Even then, I doubt it would work due to shipping sometimes taking longer than that.
Yeah the Paizo warehouse have a small crew of raptors working there, they’re not gonna get all shipments out the first hour, let alone the first day of shipping.

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Heh, this book is sick and im already looking at how to integrate it into my game. For one thing, im thinking of following the recommendation to open up the destinies as normal high level archetypes sans mythic point feats. But I'm also looking at possibly using mythic spell scrolls that count as spending a mythic point when the scroll is consumed, and possibly looting the 1-10 mythic feats section to turn them into high level gear things with bespoke recharge rates to produce a free archetype compatible half-mythic.
My head is spinning woth possibilities, but its a great book, the destinies and class archetypes are in particular well executed (whoever wrote prophesized monarch in particular deserves a hand) and a lot of players are going to be thrilled with even nonmythic wildspell. Warrior of Legend is especially cool too and I got my specific wish for greatsword avengers (but also, the dual woeld polearm support for rogues/ rangers/fighters!?)
Ive barely looked at the classes so far! Even with my excitement for the animist.

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The mythic monsters section is so cool. Each monster has lore, descriptions, and hooks designed to basically build a story arc or even an entire campaign around them.
The new lore is interesting and provides some cool background information that I'd love to see expanded on at some point, and the level bracket suggestions provide a lot of inspiration for building out campaign stuff.
I know Paizo doesn't really do small books anymore but I'd absolutely love a booklet that was just a bunch more of these, because they're so good.

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Isn't mythic resilience really problematic? A mythic creature can get all three of them at level 13.
Imagine this. You're a party of level 11 PCs and you're a caster. You're going up against a mythic creature that is PL+2 with all three mythic resilient saves. A level 13 creature's low save is a +20, and as a level 11 caster you likely have a spell DC of 30 at this point. This pretty much means that the only way that the creature can fail a saving throw with their **WEAKEST SAVE** is for them to roll a 1. You would have to spend a mythic point to get your spell DC to 36 for a chance for them to fail their weak save and even then that chance is only 30%. Keep in mind that this is only a PL+2 creature and you're targeting their low save.
Mythic resilience just seems to f%!$ over casters big time and makes being a mythic caster at high level seem awful. Please tell me I'm reading something wrong here.

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Isn't mythic resilience really problematic? A mythic creature can get all three of them at level 13.
Imagine this. You're a party of level 11 PCs and you're a caster. You're going up against a mythic creature that is PL+2 with all three mythic resilient saves. A level 13 creature's low save is a +20, and as a level 11 caster you likely have a spell DC of 30 at this point. This pretty much means that the only way that the creature can fail a saving throw with their **WEAKEST SAVE** is for them to roll a 1. You would have to spend a mythic point to get your spell DC to 36 for a chance for them to fail their weak save and even then that chance is only 30%. Keep in mind that this is only a PL+2 creature and you're targeting their low save.
Mythic resilience just seems to f+%% over casters big time and makes being a mythic caster at high level seem awful. Please tell me I'm reading something wrong here.
At that point, you've got a signpost encounter for the martials and buff spells to shine given that it spent it's whole mythic budget that way, but if you must blast it down with magic, you're still working with your success effects, or perhaps humorously for the way these discussions normally go, Spell Attacks which aren't subject to Resilience.

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Isn't mythic resilience really problematic? A mythic creature can get all three of them at level 13.
Imagine this. You're a party of level 11 PCs and you're a caster. You're going up against a mythic creature that is PL+2 with all three mythic resilient saves. A level 13 creature's low save is a +20, and as a level 11 caster you likely have a spell DC of 30 at this point.
It might help you to note that 30 is a pretty wrong number, because the expected DC of a mythic spell for a level 11 PC is 36 (11 [level] + 5 [stat] + 10 [mythic] +10 [standard DC baseline]). Things will definitely seem too weak if your math is off by 30%!
Please note that this product thread is not the place for rules discussions, especially not when the product's street date is still two weeks out.

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Hey - so the very recent blog, and the lists on this thread list 7 mythic monsters, and that's what i've heard elsewhere too - but...
8 terrifying new mythic monsters and rules for creating mythic threats of your own!
so was there an 8th taken out due to page space or something, or has everyone been counting wrong, or there's an 8th that is hidden elsewhere than the rest?

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Hey - so the very recent blog, and the lists on this thread list 7 mythic monsters, and that's what i've heard elsewhere too - but...
the top of this page says wrote:8 terrifying new mythic monsters and rules for creating mythic threats of your own!so was there an 8th taken out due to page space or something, or has everyone been counting wrong, or there's an 8th that is hidden elsewhere than the rest?
The 8th Mythic monster is the pdf itself.
A la Necronomicon.