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By chance I'm running a homebrew campaign in Taldor right now, but the PCs are four paladins who are busy dealing with Lamashtu-worshiping gnolls on the border of Qadira, and every time I've hinted at the possibility of political intrigue they've scoffed and gone looking for evil to smite.
I think I might just use these adventures as background narrative, so the whole revolution happens while they're busy literally saving the world, like a reverse of that Buffy episode *The Zeppo*.
Cavalier, Rogue, and Investigator, who’s the fourth iconic?
I would hope that the vigilante would be the fourth, but who knows?
Otoh, with Alain already around, adding the vigilante makes me worry for our princess's safety.
Only one “spellcaster,” and that an alchemist, would be weird.
Only one “spellcaster,” and that an alchemist, would be weird.Why?
They tend to have balanced parties that include some sort of divine and arcane caster. There are exceptions (Irongfang Invasion) but they are exceptions.
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They tend to have balanced parties that include some sort of divine and arcane caster. There are exceptions (Irongfang Invasion) but they are exceptions.Only one “spellcaster,” and that an alchemist, would be weird.Why?
What's a "balanced" party?
Why does it have to include casters?
And more importantly, why should the choice of iconics be dictated by mechanics?
The cavalier(courtly knight maybe), rogue, and investigator make sense for an intrigue based campaign.
Are there any iconics who have connections to royalty or have political power of any kind?
I wonder who the fourth iconic will be?
The inquisitor, swashbuckler, sorceress, psychic, bard, or magus would be interesting choices.
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Lady Kessilandrie Anicia Vlastos comes to mind.
....I'm still waiting for the players guide on this one. This is not a culture I have been interested in.....so it's kind of "iffy" for me....
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Today's political climate is going to influence the campaign for the simple fact that the writers happen to be living in said political climate.
This.
As the author, I can say that there was certainly a large amount of real world influence that went into my thought process for writing this adventure. I sincerely hope that it isn't some kind of "rub it in your face, ha ha ha" material, but as a person living in the modern world, I'm still influenced by it. Heck, study of real world history is essential when writing in a fictional world. When instructed to write a heavily political adventure, of course I'm going to perform a ton of research on modern and historical politics to get a sense of how things could go down and what sort of interactions might be interesting to play with.
That being said, I'm not the only person who worked on this project. Developers, editors, and even more internal staff eyes get to review. If you've enjoyed Paizo products to this point, including the messages we put in our content, then I don't think this will be any different!
Finally, I like to think I'm not new to this whole "political / social adventure" scene. :)
Thurston,
Well you're certainly better at doing political/social adventures than I am... :) Last time I tried running Waterdeep in 2nd edition as kind of politics thing...it ended...poorly.
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Today's political climate is going to influence the campaign for the simple fact that the writers happen to be living in said political climate.This.
As the author, I can say that there was certainly a large amount of real world influence that went into my thought process for writing this adventure. I sincerely hope that it isn't some kind of "rub it in your face, ha ha ha" material, but as a person living in the modern world, I'm still influenced by it. Heck, study of real world history is essential when writing in a fictional world. When instructed to write a heavily political adventure, of course I'm going to perform a ton of research on modern and historical politics to get a sense of how things could go down and what sort of interactions might be interesting to play with.
That being said, I'm not the only person who worked on this project. Developers, editors, and even more internal staff eyes get to review. If you've enjoyed Paizo products to this point, including the messages we put in our content, then I don't think this will be any different!
Finally, I like to think I'm not new to this whole "political / social adventure" scene. :)
I would disagree to a point about real current events having to be factored in to writing a medieval fantasy setting as regards politics I've found that feudal japan offers more relevant political motivations, plots and is less likely to rub player's the wrong way if you favour certain philosophies or views.
However I will say I'll honestly be happy with the campaign so long as it doesn't turn in to Princess Hillary V Senator Trump, because I've got a group of mixed political affiliations and I don't need the campaign bringing up real world tensions.
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And Demon Lord of Succubi is still pretty awesome. :)
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Today's political climate is going to influence the campaign for the simple fact that the writers happen to be living in said political climate.This.
As the author, I can say that there was certainly a large amount of real world influence that went into my thought process for writing this adventure. I sincerely hope that it isn't some kind of "rub it in your face, ha ha ha" material, but as a person living in the modern world, I'm still influenced by it. Heck, study of real world history is essential when writing in a fictional world. When instructed to write a heavily political adventure, of course I'm going to perform a ton of research on modern and historical politics to get a sense of how things could go down and what sort of interactions might be interesting to play with.
That being said, I'm not the only person who worked on this project. Developers, editors, and even more internal staff eyes get to review. If you've enjoyed Paizo products to this point, including the messages we put in our content, then I don't think this will be any different!
Finally, I like to think I'm not new to this whole "political / social adventure" scene. :)
I would disagree to a point about real current events having to be factored in to writing a medieval fantasy setting as regards politics I've found that feudal japan offers more relevant political motivations, plots and is less likely to rub player's the wrong way if you favour certain philosophies or views.
However I will say I'll honestly be happy with the campaign so long as it doesn't turn in to Princess Hillary V Senator Trump, because I've got a group of mixed political affiliations and I don't need the campaign bringing up real world tensions.
God's above I hope not. I do RPG to get away from "real world current events".....
Aw. Well next time I'll ask James Jacobs anyway Thurston.
Meanwhile! I am looking forward to seeing what War for the Crown brings for those of us slightly less skilled in social intrigue Pathfinder stuff.
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God's above I hope not. I do RPG to get away from "real world current events".....Same here, bu I'm sure you've noticed as much as I have that Paizo can get quite heavy handed with their political messages in APs and aren't the best at subtle references.
Examples?
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Examples?God's above I hope not. I do RPG to get away from "real world current events".....Same here, bu I'm sure you've noticed as much as I have that Paizo can get quite heavy handed with their political messages in APs and aren't the best at subtle references.
Ironfang Invasion.
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Ironfang Invasion.Examples?God's above I hope not. I do RPG to get away from "real world current events".....Same here, bu I'm sure you've noticed as much as I have that Paizo can get quite heavy handed with their political messages in APs and aren't the best at subtle references.
What about it?
Sorry, if you (or Ronin_Knight, for that matter) think that you can skirt around the topic without revealing what your issue is ... you've picked the wrong bag of law to tangle with.
Of course, you can also give up. There's no shame in that :)
Ironfang Invasion.Examples?God's above I hope not. I do RPG to get away from "real world current events".....Same here, bu I'm sure you've noticed as much as I have that Paizo can get quite heavy handed with their political messages in APs and aren't the best at subtle references.
You'll have to be a lot more specific then that.
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How is telling people to not give up hope and stand up for themselves political?
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Not to be That Guy but a forward does not make an adventure.
It's a place for the author or developer to say things that are outside the scope of the adventure.
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How is telling people to not give up hope and stand up for themselves political?
Because it was clearly inspired by a paranoid political reaction.
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Above all, an AP where noble (okay, not-so-noble in case of my gaming group) heroes (okay, anti-heroes in case of ...) stop the bad guys from trumping the forces of freedom and justice!
Spoiler: the princess and her rival are actually reptoids named Kodos and Kang.
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How is telling people to not give up hope and stand up for themselves political?Because it was clearly inspired by a paranoid political reaction.
You didn't answer the question, you just threw out an unfounded hypothesis.
I was under the impression that messages of hope and perseverance are universal.
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How is telling people to not give up hope and stand up for themselves political?Because it was clearly inspired by a paranoid political reaction.You didn't answer the question, you just threw out an unfounded hypothesis.
I was under the impression that messages of hope and perseverance are universal.
No, you weren’t. One doesn’t need to have hope and perseverance in response to every event that occurs in life. (“I wanted mustard, they gave me mayo.” “Please accept this message of hope and perseverance in your time of tribulation!”) Stating such a message in response to a political event is obviously a political message.
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If your not talking about Taldan politics, your posting in the wrong thread.
Please create a new thread in the War for the Crown message board for further discussion.
Above all, an AP where noble (okay, not-so-noble in case of my gaming group) heroes (okay, anti-heroes in case of ...) stop the bad guys from trumping the forces of freedom and justice!Spoiler: the princess and her rival are actually reptoids named Kodos and Kang.
If this is true, I WILL definitely buy it!
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No, you weren’t. One doesn’t need to have hope and perseverance in response to every event that occurs in life. (“I wanted mustard, they gave me mayo.” “Please accept this message of hope and perseverance in your time of tribulation!”) Stating such a message in response to a political event is obviously a political message.How is telling people to not give up hope and stand up for themselves political?Because it was clearly inspired by a paranoid political reaction.You didn't answer the question, you just threw out an unfounded hypothesis.
I was under the impression that messages of hope and perseverance are universal.
You’re damn right it is a political statement.
Did you know that Cheliax is a metaphor for fascism? And they’re the bad guys (Boom! Politics!). I’m sick of people saying they don’t want politics in their RPGs. Guess what RPGs are writing, writing is art and art is political.
Have you not noticed that one of the most common themes of the Adventure Paths is rebellion and resistance against authoritarian regimes? Was that metaphor too subtle for you? Hell’s Rebels is literally about fighting a power hungry fascist. Jade Regent is about fighting to free Minkai from a narcissistic demagogue and his cronies.
If you think any AP is apolitical then you’re just bad at understanding metaphors.