Pathfinder Adventure Path #127: Crownfall (War for the Crown 1 of 6)

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Pathfinder Adventure Path #127: Crownfall (War for the Crown 1 of 6)

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As Taldor's entire capital city gathers to celebrate, few realize that conspiracy and royal rivalries are about to shake the empire to its core! When a high-minded cabal of senators and nobles tries to steer the nation away from disaster, Emperor Stavian III orders a bloodbath in the senate halls, trapping neophyte spies inside layer upon layer of magical security. As tensions rise and the emperor falls, can the heroes escape the forgotten halls beneath the senate and save the heir to Taldor from an assassin's blade? And even then, can anyone prevent a civil war that will tear one of the Inner Sea's oldest nations apart at its rotting seams?

This volume of Pathfinder Adventure Path launches the War for the Crown Adventure Path and includes:

  • "Crownfall," a Pathfinder adventure for 1st-level characters, by Thurston Hillman.
  • A gazetteer of Oppara, crown jewel of Taldor and center of Inner Sea culture, by Eleanor Ferron.
  • A closer look at some of the primary movers and shakers within the Taldan senate, who make for ideal allies, patrons, or rivals to politically minded players, by Thurston Hillman.
  • A collection of some of Taldor's most exotic and unusual threats, from the unsettlingly doll-like fantionette to the freewheeling onyvolan, by Thurston Hillman and Adrian Ng.

IBSN-13: 978-1-64078-015-6

"Crownfall" is sanctioned for use in Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The rules for running this Adventure Path and Chronicle sheet are available as a free download (922 kb zip/PDF).

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Princess Highground

2/5

Crystal Frasier unfortunately made such a caricature stand-in for her own opinions out of Eutropia Stavian that my group still refers to her as "Princess Highground". God bless the authors that tried to salvage this, but the developer kept trying to smother them.

There are also some odd anachronistic elements in the writing that jumped out at me. "Peace-bonding" weapons in the Senate. Service animals allowed....an editor probably should have caught these.


Excellent and Prescient

5/5

A great mix of intrigue, role playing and combat, and scarily prescient. Tremendous job everyone!


5/5

As a player I had a blast when my GM dropped us into the intrigue from this AP. Another great political scenario from paizo.


Creative, But Lacking in Facts

3/5

I feel very torn about this AP, because there's so much to like, but there's some really fundamental things which have consistently irritated me while running it.

First of all, I want to echo another reviewer by talking a bit about terminology.

I get a strong sense in this AP that the writer(s) was extremely excited by the notion of kicking back against the patriarchy, ABOLISHING PRIMOGENITURE and really making a strong change in Taldor.

That's fine, lord knows the stuffy nation could use a kick up the backside. I'm British, so I know how that feels.

But, honestly, it would have taken 2 minutes on Google to understand these core, fundamental terms that you're dealing with here. Rather than 'abolishing primogeniture', what you actually want to do is bring in Absolute Primogeniture. It's a lot less exciting isn't it? But still, it's correct. The thing we don't want here is called (as another reviewer noted) Agnatic Primogeniture, which means the first born male inherits. Absolute Primogeniture is when the first born inherits. Princess Eutropia is the first born, and so neatly altering the law to include all heirs is all that needed to happen.

In fact, if you did indeed 'abolish' primogeniture, what you'd have on your hands is a complete and total sh*tshow. There wouldn't be an heir at all! The claim to the throne would come down to a billion other factors and poor Eutropia would probably be pushed out of the running altogether.

It's really simple, but I can't tell whether it was overlooked because it didn't fit the 'punching up' narrative, or whether the writers heard the term, got excited, and did no further research at all. I wouldn't mind, but it's repeated so often throughout the AP, and it just feel like facts and terminology have twisted to fit some imagined narrative.

I understand that Paizo are a US company and that this kind of stuff isn't common in their culture. I admit that even for a British person I'm a little more into this than the norm, but I would have thought that if you were going to write a whole AP about thrones and monarchy, you'd do your research.

Unfortunately, it also shows that the setting of Taldor wasn't really built to withstand this level of noble intrigue. Quite simply, I don't think Paizo really understands how the aristocracy actually functions in the places of the world that have it. The way they handle titles and land ownership is spotty at best, and requires GMs to just run with what they're given in most cases because there's a severe dearth of facts and consistency when dealing with noble families and monarchy. This one has a lot in common with Ironfang Invasion in that it prioritizes style over substance too often, where lots of detail is given to NPCs and their personalities and motivations, and very little to the kind of concrete details GMs need in the heat of the moment.

This brings me to my second issue with this AP as a whole - tone.

In the mission statement for War for the Crown, it was sold very much as more nuanced experience than Hell's Rebels, where the PCs would work within the system to enact change, working with established hierarchies and affecting a steady, non-revolutionary change. Also, it would not be a glory seeking AP where the PCs are great heroes who overthrow the system.

So far so good, I was very interested by that mission statement and had high hopes for a truly complex, intrigue experience. My group was very interested in the idea of playing primarily Lawful characters in this case. We'd had a great time being Chaotic revolutionaries in Hell's Rebels, but this sounded like something very different.

It's not that the AP doesn't deliver on the intrigue side of things, but I couldn't shake the sense throughout that it would much -rather- have been about virtuous and chaotic revolutionaries who constantly seek glory by donning on masks and sticking it to the man. I mean, there's literally an entire subsystem about building cults of personality around the PCs, so I don't think it's fair to say this is about working behind the scenes simply because you're not using your own names.

Within the very first setpiece, there's a strong expectation that the PCs are supposed to lie, cheat, steal, and defraud their way through problems. Of course, GMs are always free to make any changes they see fit, but I feel that there is a constant tension between what the AP said it wanted to be, and what it ended up being.

The first installment was a fun mix of intrigue and challenging combat, and I have no problems at all with how it played out. There's just an irritating lack of care for the details in a story that really just wants to pit a compassionate woman against a stodgy, patriarchal man. There's nothing wrong with that narrative, but let's at least get the facts straight first.


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GM PDK wrote:
Q: has Malphene Trant been taking her mulibrous tincture for 6 months or more. Thank you.

There's no set timeline for Malphene, but her coming out as a young lady is described as "recent," so for the teenage timescale that probably means in the past 2-3 months. Given her... development, she was likely taking doses privately for months before this, so she's probably been taking the tincture for 6-12 months.


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Thank you Crystal. IMC she's a young fighter who met another young fighter now. :)

RONDELEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
RONDELERAAAAAAAAA!
Porque mi vida yo la prefiero vivir así!!!

:P


...and the daaAAAANCE continued for the rest of the entire... ... ...social round....

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What are the monsters in this one? Why nobody asks that anymore?


Awahoon wrote:
What are the monsters in this one? Why nobody asks that anymore?

That's one of the first question people ask whenever a new adventure path installment comes out. This is no exception.

HERE THERE BE MONSTERS

Grand Lodge

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Just about finished with this book (just need to have the final fight and the "wrap-up" scene at the end). Next session should be session #8 iirc, with each session being about 4 hours.

This is just a good AP.


Hi Crystal!

My campaign has 6 players and, um... well... my adjustment for 6 players was that I doubled the number all Silent Initiates in that warehouse (except for Smiley the Third)

Yeah, I went a little nuts, which caused the death of one PC, but the group prevailed still.

What are your recommendations to adjust things for 6 players in general? (because my doubling the encounter did not seem to be the proper level of adjustment... :P )


(⌣̩̩́_⌣̩̩̀)


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Something I made for our group before starting this campaign:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cdP43SiIzdJH_Dix-M5ch7-usjqW8zGz/view?usp= sharing


Not that there is any time for hex exploration (and Taldor should be one of the most thoroughly explored nations of the Inner Sea), but this is still pretty amazing. You should post it on the War for the Crown sub-forum. :)

Scarab Sages

Woohoo...Finally PFS legal. Though sad to see that the 1st part of book 1 wasn't put in as the PFS legal part. Was the best part of a 12 hour RP we ever had. Though with almost zero combat, it would be boring for a lot of people.


magnuskn wrote:
Not that there is any time for hex exploration (and Taldor should be one of the most thoroughly explored nations of the Inner Sea), but this is still pretty amazing. You should post it on the War for the Crown sub-forum. :)

Thank you so much!


VikingTemplar86 wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Not that there is any time for hex exploration (and Taldor should be one of the most thoroughly explored nations of the Inner Sea), but this is still pretty amazing. You should post it on the War for the Crown sub-forum. :)
Thank you so much!

Good work needs to be acknowledged. :)


Prescient, well-written and well-designed intrigue, but I must underscore the prescient!

The Concordance

Stavian III, Stavian seems to be a first name. What's the family name of royal house?


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Julien Dien wrote:
Stavian III, Stavian seems to be a first name. What's the family name of royal house?

I don't think that is ever stated. The legendary founder of Taldor is Taldaris, so you could call the royal family of Taldor the House of Taldaris. That being said there are a lot of gaps in the named Grand Princes in the 5,862 years between the death of Taldaris and the ascension of Eutropia Stavian IV so it is safe to assume there probably were at least a few cases where the main line died out and was replaced with a cadet line.

Edit: In fact I just dug a bit deeper on the wiki. Grand Prince Beldam II (d. 4499 AR) died childless and adopted Micheaux, a Taldan nobleman, as his legal successor. So the current royal family if actually still descendants of Taldaris are a distant cadet branch. Micheaux was the father of Stavian I and most of the Grand Princes since have been named Stavian, so I would call the current royal family the Stavian dynasty.

The Concordance

It seems like a family name, but I still have 2 questions.
Firstly, Why the successor, the third son of Stavian I is not Stavian II, but Dominus II ? there are 200 years from Stavian I, there might be some other Grand Prince who is not called Stavian. After all, it is just the third Stavian now.
Secondly, Stavian I is the first son of Micheaux the Significant, Why a new dynasty?

The Exchange

Julien Dien wrote:

It seems like a family name, but I still have 2 questions.

Firstly, Why the successor, the third son of Stavian I is not Stavian II, but Dominus II ? there are 200 years from Stavian I, there might be some other Grand Prince who is not called Stavian. After all, it is just the third Stavian now.

It's fairly common in Western (Earth) monarchies for names of the ruler to skip generations. The ruler uses his or her own name (or a name they choose upon becoming monarch); they aren't required to use the same name as their predecessor. If it happens to be the same as any previous monarch in the dynasty, it gets an incremented Roman numeral. In England, for example, there were about 350 years between Elizabeth I and Elizabeth II. Even when male primogeniture was the law George IV was followed by William IV, followed by Victoria, followed by Edward VII, followed by George V.

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Secondly, Stavian I is the first son of Micheaux the Significant, Why a new dynasty?

MVulpius is suggesting that the dynasty would start with Micheaux (since he was not a blood relative of Beldam II). And that the new dynasty could be called Stavian simply because that has been the most common name since Micheaux. I don't personally agree with either of these ideas, but neither of us is provably right or wrong since there just isn't enough information.

If the monarch adopts an heir, he probably is just going to change the law if necessary to say that the adopted person is legally a member of his house. (Adopting talented adult males to pass on a business with the family name intact and unbroken is a practice legally recognized and centuries old in Japan.) The other suggestion (that it is likely the line was replaced with a cadet line a few times) is reasonable but unprovable. Also unknown (I think) is whether younger sons adopt new house names or keep the same as older brothers.

Any way it shakes out I'd use MVulpius's first suggestion and call the dynasty some variation on the name Taldaris. Probably just "House Taldor."

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