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Speaking of blue humanoids, the Mountain Giant is the first giant I have seen that screams slasher film. I know that ogres are the "inbred mountain folk" of Pathfinder, but these guys are more grounded in the form...at 45 feet tall.
O.O

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nighttree wrote:How many times does the "stop using the word 'fluff', it's derogatory" post needs to be repeated?So here is a question....what distinguishes the Rougarou (fluff wise) from any shifter ???
I mean are they tied to lycanthropic heritage as well ? or it something completely different ?
Since when ?
Fluff equals the "in-world" description....vs mechanics....nothing more. Of course if you want to view that as derogatory....that's up to you....but certainly not how I use the term.....
I am more often than not more interested in the fluff than the mechanics :P

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Sounds like the mountain giant of second ed, they were bigger, meaner versions of hill giants.
These guys look like manic butchers with a taste for humanoid flesh...including other giants. They lack any of the deformities or "cave man" look of ogres and hill giants.

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What is the Krampus Like? Meaning abilities and CR?

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so uh, reading the flavor text for the Conqueror Worm....
The modus operandi of the Worm is to take control of leaders mentally, and make them do things which are bad for the places they rule. Like causing a King to become a tyrant, but then taking control of someone to raise a rebellion. And then when the rebellion cools, causing the rebel leader to lose popularity and start a new cycle of violence.
Maybe it's just me, but this situation seems to match what is going on in Galt really well.

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Gorbacz wrote:nighttree wrote:How many times does the "stop using the word 'fluff', it's derogatory" post needs to be repeated?So here is a question....what distinguishes the Rougarou (fluff wise) from any shifter ???
I mean are they tied to lycanthropic heritage as well ? or it something completely different ?
Since when ?
For me? Since forever. The definition of the word "fluff" as a noun is, according to Dictionary.com...
noun
1. light, downy particles, as of cotton.
2. a soft, light, downy mass
3. something of no consequence
4. an error or blunder, especially an actor's memory lapse in the delivery of lines.
The first two those definitions are obviously not applicable to writing, but the other two are absolutely applicable to writing. Whenever someone calls flavor text "fluff," what I see is them saying that the content is either "something of no consequence" or "an error or blunder."
Fluff equals the "in-world" description....vs mechanics....nothing more. Of course if you want to view that as derogatory....that's up to you....but certainly not how I use the term.....
I am more often than not more interested in the fluff than the mechanics :P
As with ALL forms of derogatory comments, it's NEVER the one issuing the comment that gets to decide if it's derogatory—that's only someone the insulted party gets to decide, because regardless of the first person's opinion, that won't change how their words are interpreted by those who are insulted. It's up to those who use the term "fluff" for flavor content in RPGs to decide if they want to change their ways and adopt less insulting terminology or continue to run the risk of insulting the people you are, in many cases (I hope) trying to compliment.
My preferred word for non-rules world-building content is "flavor."
In any event, I certainly don't mind letting folks know over and over my distaste for the use of the word "fluff" in this context, but if you feel the need to continue this discussion in either way, PLEASE take it to another thread so we can stay focused on Bestiary 6 from this point forward; thanks!

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MMCJawa wrote:so uh, reading the flavor text for the Conqueror Worm....
** spoiler omitted **
And here I thought the best option for monstrous manipulators behind the Red Revolution was the derro.
BTW, just what is this 'derro magister' critter like?
Probably something like this.

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Eric Hinkle wrote:Probably something like this.MMCJawa wrote:so uh, reading the flavor text for the Conqueror Worm....
** spoiler omitted **
And here I thought the best option for monstrous manipulators behind the Red Revolution was the derro.
BTW, just what is this 'derro magister' critter like?
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*facepalms* And I have that book too. Thank you.

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A lot of good stuff about the idea of derogatory language.
Speaking of this in the context of Bestiary 6, is this the place to discuss the use of "primitive" as presented here in the Blights entry?
As it stands the Blight writeup calls out primitive societies in particular as being more easily manipulated than other societies by virtue of being "primitive" moreso than any other factor. Even with the additional lines about lack of religious leaders often helping the Blight select targets, the text still singles out "primitive" groups as being more at risks than "nonprimitive" or "civilized" societies having the same external problems. This selection for "primitiveness" leans heavily on the use of primitive as seen during colonial expansions and early anthropological work, a usage that has long fallen out of favor because of it's use as a derogatory tool for ethnocentrism and imperialist ideologies to flourish (i.e. the fact that people X live as hunter gatherers, horticulturalists, etc. rather than as I the colonizer does makes them somehow more naive/stupid/ill fit than us "civilized" folk etc.). On top of this, the write up could stand entirely on the religious uncertainty argument alone, making the singling out of primitive societies all the more glaring and uncomfortable.

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so uh, reading the flavor text for the Conqueror Worm....
** spoiler omitted **
Lol yeah. Part of me wishes these were around when they were writing Hell's Rebels. These would make a great side villain to introduce as an anarchic cult late in the game and have them become a heavier villain in a post book 6 continuation.

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MMCJawa wrote:so uh, reading the flavor text for the Conqueror Worm....
** spoiler omitted **
Lol yeah. Part of me wishes these were around when they were writing Hell's Rebels. These would make a great side villain to introduce as an anarchic cult late in the game and have them become a heavier villain in a post book 6 continuation.
** spoiler omitted **
I almost did something very similar to that in my Hell's Rebels game! We were just starting book 6 while I was writing the conqueror worm.

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People have this product already? Some people must've paid to get this early. No problem, and fair enough; I have more important things to consider.
How's Arshea looking? Statwise, I mean.
Subscribers get their PDFs the moment the books are shipped, so I'm not sure where are you going with the 'paid to get early' tangent.

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nighttree wrote:Gorbacz wrote:nighttree wrote:How many times does the "stop using the word 'fluff', it's derogatory" post needs to be repeated?So here is a question....what distinguishes the Rougarou (fluff wise) from any shifter ???
I mean are they tied to lycanthropic heritage as well ? or it something completely different ?
Since when ?
For me? Since forever. The definition of the word "fluff" as a noun is, according to Dictionary.com...
noun
1. light, downy particles, as of cotton.
2. a soft, light, downy mass
3. something of no consequence
4. an error or blunder, especially an actor's memory lapse in the delivery of lines.The first two those definitions are obviously not applicable to writing, but the other two are absolutely applicable to writing. Whenever someone calls flavor text "fluff," what I see is them saying that the content is either "something of no consequence" or "an error or blunder."
nighttree wrote:Fluff equals the "in-world" description....vs mechanics....nothing more. Of course if you want to view that as derogatory....that's up to you....but certainly not how I use the term.....
I am more often than not more interested in the fluff than the mechanics :PAs with ALL forms of derogatory comments, it's NEVER the one issuing the comment that gets to decide if it's derogatory—that's only someone the insulted party gets to decide, because regardless of the first person's opinion, that won't change how their words are interpreted by those who are insulted. It's up to those who use the term "fluff" for flavor content in RPGs to decide if they want to change their ways and adopt less insulting terminology or continue to run the risk of insulting the people you are, in many cases (I hope) trying to compliment.
My preferred word for non-rules world-building content is "flavor."
In any event, I certainly don't mind letting folks know over and over my distaste for the use of the word "fluff" in this...
Well all righty....I have used the term for going on 30 years and never seen anyone react to it this way at all. I will try to remember to use other verbiage in the future.

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What are the non-true dragons like?
What CR is the giant sundew plant? giant starfish?
The Gowrow is an aquatic dragon accustomed to fighting in the water and having a sonic breath weapon. CR 5

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What CRs are the Goblin, Outlaw, and Cultist troops?
And what does the Cultist Troop do that makes it so cultist-y? I imagine that troops of cultists could vary significantly depending on their deity.
EDIT: Okay, last question. What are the three troop's alignments?

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Thanks Rysky, I don't know how I missed that one.
What are the plant creatures in the book?
What is a tarantula tree?
Are there any non-humanoid undead?

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Dragon78 wrote:About the Elder WyrmWhat are the non-true dragons like?
What CR is the giant sundew plant? giant starfish?
The Elder Wyrm seems really interesting. *-*
Feros, could you please share the abilities each of the True Dragons get at great wyrm age? No need for all the abilities, only the one they get at great wyrm age is fine. ;)

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So here is a question....what distinguishes the Rougarou (flavor wise) from any shifter ???
I mean are they tied to lycanthropic heritage as well ? or it something completely different ?
This has resulted in a hatred for werewolves that has led Rougarou to hunt the lycanthropes relentlessly.

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nighttree wrote:** spoiler omitted **So here is a question....what distinguishes the Rougarou (flavor wise) from any shifter ???
I mean are they tied to lycanthropic heritage as well ? or it something completely different ?
Ooopppsss...I actually meant Skinwalker (not Shifter):P
Many thanks ;)
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What is the atuikakura like? abilities? CR?
What do the 3 azata look like? CR?
What do qlippoth lords look like? abilities? CR?
Isph-Aun-Vuln is a Medium sized mass of red tentacles around a toothy mouth.
Oaur-Ooung looks like a Colossal flying mushroom with large toadstools and mushrooms growing on its top with jellyfish like tendrils coming away from its cap and large yellow orbs bulging out of the sides of the cap.
Thuskchoon is a Gargantuan slug with centipede like legs out of his sides and almost finger-like appendages around its mouth.

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Feros wrote:Dragon78 wrote:About the Elder WyrmWhat are the non-true dragons like?
What CR is the giant sundew plant? giant starfish?
The Elder Wyrm seems really interesting. *-*
Feros, could you please share the abilities each of the True Dragons get at great wyrm age? No need for all the abilities, only the one they get at great wyrm age is fine. ;)
Havoc Dragon: Rapturous Revel—inspire creativity and joy in every creature within 100 feet once per day. Effects are charm monster,
confusion, or greater heroism; the dragon chooses who gets what.
Infernal Dragon: Damnation Flames—All killed by the dragons breath weapon are consigned to Hell. No take-backsies without great effort. Oh, and their breath weapon is hellfire.
Paradise Dragon: Redemption—Once a month the dragon can give a dead soul a second shot at life. Acts as true resurrection, except the resurrected persons alignment shifts two steps toward LG.
Rift Dragon: Obliterating Breath—Can exchange their acid breath weapon for a disintegrate line three times a day.

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The Gold Sovereign wrote:About Planar DragonsFeros wrote:About the Elder WyrmThe Elder Wyrm seems really interesting. *-*
Feros, could you please share the abilities each of the True Dragons get at great wyrm age? No need for all the abilities, only the one they get at great wyrm age is fine. ;)
Thanks Feros! I'm liking all of them, specially the ability for the rift dragon. =O
Dragon78 wrote:What do the 3 azata look like? CR?About Azata
I'm sure they are all reprints. I hope they got new illustrations.

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If anyone's willing to answer the question for me, what're the Wild Hunt like?
The Wild Hunt is a race of fey (CN in alignment) that hunt as part of their nature. They are somewhat connected to the Tane, but sometimes even hunt them. They hunt for various reasons: The thrill of the chase (usually non-lethal unless the "prey" doesn't figure out it's just a game and retaliates with lethal force), to kill a chosen target for any variety of reasons, or to expand their numbers by inducting an unsuspecting mortal into their ranks. This person becomes a fey creature tied to the Hunt.
They are surrounded by green mists and are made up of Archers (CR 13), Horses (CR 11), Hounds (CR 10), a Monarch (CR 19) that commands the hunt and blows the horn, and Scouts (CR 15).

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So what's the Mapinguari like? And the Ghole?
It also has sneak attack and some spell-like abilities including haste and ghoul touch. CR 12.