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Why no charisma to Atk and Dmg for Fighting Fan(s) for Geishas or even Whips for Calistria worshippers??? ;_; *runs off crying*
Hmm.
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Its also worth considering the starknife isn't really a good swashbuckler weapon—the lack of an 18-20 crit range (or even a 19-20) on a weapon makes it a VERY difficult sell to a swashbuckler.
The craziest thing I could do would be to go flying blade 5 / psychic searcher of lore 2 / fighter (weapon master) X. That would let you grab Weapon Finesse as a class feature (which you could use to qualify for Piranha Strike), Cha to AC and Ref saves, Cha to Attack and Damage, and Cha-based inspiration. Maybe Cha-based Knowledges too.
Weapon-wise, this isn't really something Dex-based characters can't already do. They can get Dex to damage with a few more feats, but naturally get Dex to AC and Reflex saves, and modify way more skills with Dex than even Cha can get using revelations. The Cha-based character looks crazy on paper, but one needs to remember that out of everything I've mentioned, the only thing Dexterity-based characters can't get baseline is Dex to Atk and Dmg, and that's only three feats. (Two if you're using Dervish Dance.)
I'm really hoping Desna's fighting style isn't knee-jerked out of campaigns and stuff as a result. It is new, fun, and flavorful, but it doesn't really do much that Dex to damage can't already do, sans possessing a different (less combat-focused) skill list.
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Why no charisma to Atk and Dmg for Fighting Fan(s) for Geishas or even Whips for Calistria worshippers??? ;_; *runs off crying*Hmm.
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*wonders if we'll see Isabelle again any time soon*
Also how does one fit in DL deities with PF ones? I'm just curious...
Saltz review sold me on the book. I will be picking it up for the info on Ragathiel. One of my players is a paladin of Rags and we are always butting heads on what Rags would and would not permit.
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*wonders if we'll see Isabelle again any time soon*
Also how does one fit in DL deities with PF ones? I'm just curious...
I play DL using PF rules. That is how they fit.
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Saltz review sold me on the book. I will be picking it up for the info on Ragathiel. One of my players is a paladin of Rags and we are always butting heads on what Rags would and would not permit.
This would indeed fix that. I like Ragathiel now. He makes sense.
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Indeed. I've never really understood the problem that some folks seem to have with him, except for that really odd devotion ritual from Chronicles of the Righteous, which just didn't fit, but honestly, those rituals are all really, really wacky, with some just having the followers basically exist and others being incredibly off the wall or out of character. I always kind of felt like the authors came at it with a list of things they wanted to put in print first, and then just shoehorned them in, rather than the other way around and trying to make some fluff mechanics work with the flavor.
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I really do not see the interest in Shelyn, to be honest, and if anything, she is the one I'd really question having paladins, or even being good. But I do agree, I find most of the Golarion deities kind of meh.
She's a good one for bards. Art, love and beauty. Sort of a fantasy Aphrodite.
But yeah, art, love and beauty. Not exactly something they have Domains for, so not something d20 was really set up for, being more adventuring-god focused. Then again, that's a common bug (or feature) of what was inherited from 3.X, a ton of Domains that were pretty tightly focused on adventuring-relevant gods, and not so much on the sorts of pantheistic goddesses we had in real-world history, covering stuff like love and beauty, or marriage, or hearth and home, or agriculture, or fertility or prophecy/fate/destiny. Even more manly god 'areas of concern' like trade, hunting or wealth, don't really play well with a list of domains like air, earth, fire, water, death, war, etc. At least the notion of sub-domains (or, as they were called back in 3.X, 'estates') opens up the option to have 'domains' that are more relevant to the areas of concern of the various gods of Golarion.
Designing a pantheon of gods based specifically on the 3.x domains available, on the other hand, would have missed out on too many neat options, like gods of greed and wealth, or goddesses of love and beauty.
That said, some of the gods seem more 'iconic' than others. The angelic sun god. The longsword-wielding crusader god. The old man / young woman nature/weather god. The brutish war god who lives for battle and blood. The coldly indifferent death-god. Same old, same old, whether classics from mythology, or very similar to what has come before in the pantheons of Greyhawk, the Realms or the Scarred Lands.
Others, like Desna, Nethys or Urgathoa, are just wildly new and different, and that's what piques my interest.
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It's not so much even that, though I do tend to agree with you in a general sense about domains and spheres of influence/portfolios. I just find the idea of Shelyn, as written being a patron for Paladins very odd, as basically everything about both her history and area of interest basically screams CN. I could see a hard argument being made for CG, especially if it's because of the influence of the glaive forced her to change, despite being told she is outright immune. She sends CG avatars to her followers, and really just doesn't seem at all orderly to me.
......so.....that's a no on Groetus stuff ?
The only mention of Groetus is the Truth apocrypha subdomain. ^_^......so.....that's a no on Groetus stuff ?
So what's the Domain like ?....PLEASE....
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In terms of the number of deities and demigods they hit, the Apocrypha subdomains are actually REALLY impressive. There's gods from all over the setting there.
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I am always impressed at how well the Companion line covers topics from across the campaign setting.
And when I'm writing, I do my best to live up to that expectation as well. ^_^
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Good to know Isabelle!
*also glad you're not stuck in a hole*
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Good to know Isabelle!
*also glad you're not stuck in a hole*
I tried. Turns out she has a bigger, badder predator who's hunting her for her time than me. :O
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*wonders who that could be but guesses that some how Rysky is involved*
Can someone please share some information on just what these apparently awesome Apocryphal subdomains are, and can do?
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Thank you, Kalindlara.
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A few are even associated with a domain a certain deity doesn't normally get, which is cool. Alchemy is tied to Artifice for Norgorber, for instance.
And there are so very many of them...it really is very cool.
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A few are even associated with a domain a certain deity doesn't normally get, which is cool. Alchemy is tied to Artifice for Norgorber, for instance.
I have wanted to see something with alchemy as a domain for a long time. I thought it would be perfect for Haagenti.
So, let me ask. Is there anything in particular that is specific towards Gorum or other gods of battle and destruction? Rovagug, Szuriel, any of the others?
The Gorumskagat is an epic poem that describes the creed of Gorum's church. Gorum grants access to the apocryphal Legend subdomain of the Glory domain. That is all that Divine Anthology has to say about him.
Rovagug has access to an apocryhal subdomain (Lightning) and a divine fighting technique (Rovagug's Thunder). His holy books include _Cycle of the Beast_ and _Ravage and Ruin_.
Szuriel is not mentioned.
What does the Lightning subdomain do?
What does the Lightning subdomain do?
It is a sub-domain of the Air domain. Its primary power lets you cause one target of one of your electricity spells to take extra damage. Its replacement domain spells include such spells as Shocking Grasp.
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What does the Lightning subdomain do?It is a sub-domain of the Air domain. Its primary power lets you cause one target of one of your electricity spells to take extra damage. Its replacement domain spells include such spells as Shocking Grasp.
Oh man. I had a Solaire character build from forever ago that probably needs reviving.
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Oh man. I had a Solaire character build from forever ago that probably needs reviving.What does the Lightning subdomain do?It is a sub-domain of the Air domain. Its primary power lets you cause one target of one of your electricity spells to take extra damage. Its replacement domain spells include such spells as Shocking Grasp.
Do they have teamwork feats for engaging in Jolly Cooperation?
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Do they have teamwork feats for engaging in Jolly Cooperation?Oh man. I had a Solaire character build from forever ago that probably needs reviving.What does the Lightning subdomain do?It is a sub-domain of the Air domain. Its primary power lets you cause one target of one of your electricity spells to take extra damage. Its replacement domain spells include such spells as Shocking Grasp.
Why of course! Arcane Mark is also key. You'd have to be blind to miss his sign!
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Why of course! Arcane Mark is also key. You'd have to be blind to miss his sign!Do they have teamwork feats for engaging in Jolly Cooperation?Oh man. I had a Solaire character build from forever ago that probably needs reviving.What does the Lightning subdomain do?It is a sub-domain of the Air domain. Its primary power lets you cause one target of one of your electricity spells to take extra damage. Its replacement domain spells include such spells as Shocking Grasp.
Sweeeeeeeeet.
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It's not so much even that, though I do tend to agree with you in a general sense about domains and spheres of influence/portfolios. I just find the idea of Shelyn, as written being a patron for Paladins very odd, as basically everything about both her history and area of interest basically screams CN. I could see a hard argument being made for CG, especially if it's because of the influence of the glaive forced her to change, despite being told she is outright immune. She sends CG avatars to her followers, and really just doesn't seem at all orderly to me.
Wait, what? Shelyn, the nicest, most loving and sympathetic deity ever strikes you as CN?!
This does not compute. I mean, I can sorta see CG, but nothing about her screams Chaos any more than it screams Law, and what in the world screams Neutral rather than Good?
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I agree with the Deadman, nothing in Shelyn's comportment screams Chaos or Law, but most definitely good.
I really do like this book. Do the archetypes that work with the Exalted, Sentinel and Evangelist PRCs, work for Emperyal Lords, etc?
I really do like this book. Do the archetypes that work with the Exalted, Sentinel and Evangelist PRCs, work for Emperyal Lords, etc?Not by RAW/for PFS, but it'd be the simplest change ever to slot Celestial/Demonic Obedience in there. ^_^
Thanks. I wonder though if Herolab would allow?
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Thanks. I wonder though if Herolab would allow?I really do like this book. Do the archetypes that work with the Exalted, Sentinel and Evangelist PRCs, work for Emperyal Lords, etc?Not by RAW/for PFS, but it'd be the simplest change ever to slot Celestial/Demonic Obedience in there. ^_^
Not without some custom coding, sadly.
We non coders are at a disadvantage, lol.
Coding is good, but writing your own stuff without worrying about making your computer angry, better.
Also I think I really enjoy the cleric archetype from this book. :)
It's not so much even that, though I do tend to agree with you in a general sense about domains and spheres of influence/portfolios. I just find the idea of Shelyn, as written being a patron for Paladins very odd, as basically everything about both her history and area of interest basically screams CN. I could see a hard argument being made for CG, especially if it's because of the influence of the glaive forced her to change, despite being told she is outright immune. She sends CG avatars to her followers, and really just doesn't seem at all orderly to me.Wait, what? Shelyn, the nicest, most loving and sympathetic deity ever strikes you as CN?!
This does not compute. I mean, I can sorta see CG, but nothing about her screams Chaos any more than it screams Law, and what in the world screams Neutral rather than Good?
And even if she were Chaotic Good, there's precedent for that not disqualifying her as a Paladin patron. In the Forgotten Realms, Sune, Goddess of Love and Beauty, is noted for sponsoring Paladin orders despite being Chaotic Good, likely arising from the concept of courtly love and knights as romantic figures.