I started GMing adventure paths, and I turned out alright. :-)
Okay fine. You're a captain and a risk taker.
Looking at CotCT, Iron Gods, or IronFang Invasion. Decisions.
Musall,
As much as I love Ironfang now, CotCT is STILL the go to adventure for city adventuring AND just general adventuring.
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If you like City based adventures then yes.
If it's your first tile GMing though I would probably recommend a module over a whole AP.
"First tile GMing?"
Hunt, the Rysky mind control device is on the fritz again...
Pug,
I think it's more the keyboards are acting up.
Auld,
I wouldn't expect to see a Kingmaker HC any time before 2025.
I hope Shattered Star, Second Darkness and one to two more of the older paths (I hope either Carrion Crown, Serpents Skull or Skulls and Shackles) go this way in a year or two. I love that you guys update them and add some new material. Great call!Don´t hold your breath for other updates. James said as much in another thread. IF this happens at all, my guess would be that it would be the remaining two 3.5 APs, nothing newer.
EDIT: ninja´d by Gorbacz (where in Poland are you anyway?)
So no talk of them doing Second Darkness?
RaFon,
There's a lot of stuff that would have be reworked for Second Darkness to be...more up to par with some other Adventure Paths.
Zeugma,
That might happen. It might not.
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The havero will most likely get updated!
... I wonder if the optional havero points (from a certain - probably slightly infamous - thread on the boards here) will be included this time? :D
... And I finally got the time to take a closer look at certain parts of my copy of CotCT RE (Revised Edition).
As others have mentioned earlier, the havero does indeed get updated to PF. I was amused to see an extra sentence inserted into the Appendages section. Here it is, with the most relevant part in bold (by me):
"The options for tentacles a havero has at its disposal are listed below (at your discretion, some haveros may have developed even more unique or specialized tentacle options beyond these)."
Methinks that that's a subtle reference to that infamous thread ... :D
Bell,
I thought it was just the fact it could maybe have fan tentacles...
Sorry to resurrect this, but I was not able to find any official response to the question:
Is/Will there be a PDF product available for the Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition adventure path containing just the maps?
I've been looking forward to this book's inception since about a year into my Rise of the Runelords (AE) campaign. I picked up the hardcover as soon as I could, but I was not a Subscriber at the time, and so did not benefit from the offer of a free PDF (of the whole book) with purchase.
I don't even need interactive maps, just electronic files... I use my laptop as a GM screen, and it's a lot easier to flip through images than physical pages :)
Thanks, and please keep up the good work!
(subliminal message to creative staff: shattered star hardcover. shattered star hardcover. Shattered star...)
Bushido,
I'm pretty sure they said there wouldn't be. But again, I could be wrong. You might want to PM Vic Wertz since he knows things.
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Through an email with their staff, they are only giving out the Interactive Maps files with the purchase of the PDF edition of this. This is kind of irritating to me, since I already bought the (more expensive) hard cover edition. The least they could do is give out the map pdf to people that purchase the hard cover. Only containing it within the PDF version is sucky.
I don't see why one would expect that digital resources should be free with purchase if it isn't advertised that way. No digital maps are provided with the print copy of any softcover Paizo AP installment, and the interactive maps for the RotRL hardcover are sold separately for $14.99. (You might also note that that product is not well-reviewed, and you may well not be happy with the digital maps if you had them; they are not designed to be printed out at scale as battlemaps, for example, and people using them in VTTs frequently complain that the grids are not reliable.)
The only way to get free PDFs with a Paizo print purchase is through subscription to a product line, and that is by design to encourage subscriptions.
Indeed, life sucks, drop a few bucks and make it suck a little less. The point of commerce and whatnot.
You are allowed to share your own maps and creations. Most folks post on the GM thread in the forum or start one in the appropriate adventure path forum.
Yeah, you won't be given permission to share that publicly.
So glad I was able to snag a copy. The prices on the secondary market are starting to skyrocket already.
Maybe Paizo will find another crate full in their warehouse one day.
I bought it when it came out.
So it's not just a clever name then?
Me too. Big thick hardcover adventures were something I literally dreamed about back in my AD&D/D&D days so when Paizo made the dream a reality I bought them all on release (Shackled City, RotRL and CotCT).
I... Missed out waiting to see if I'd get it off the Christmas list. Should have bought it 4 months ago when I was thinking about it!
I'd buy it from the secondary market as soon as possible. The price has already doubled and will most likely just rise from there.
Yeah, its already well over $200. I've been scouting to disappointment.
Oooof. I'm happy I got mine back then when it was at the normal market price. Just got the pawns as well (which are still available), though I probably won't run it for anybody in the next years.
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The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.
"Kingmaker" & "Carrion Crown" are strong candidates, as both are sold out.
If Pathfinder 2.0 wouldn't be a thing, it would probably already be in the pipeline for a 2020 release, but as it is, this doesn't seem like a priority.
Yeah I'm with Tri. I think the major reason we got updates were two-fold:
1) Both of them were originally written for 3.5 D&D.
2) Being sold out AND popular meant that people wanted them.
The first doesn't apply as much as the second if you look at Kingmaker and/or Carrion Crown.
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The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.Why do you continue to operate under the assumption that something selling out only after a long, long time is a good seller?
Paizo employees said multiple times that their business model is not selling out of a product immediately and that availability over a longer time is their goal.
Two years for a hardcover collection with a print run of a few thousand units IS pretty fast and not "a long long time".Collecting sold out single volumes into compilations is a standard operating procedure in the comics & books (and to a lesser degree in the rpg) industry.
One of the reasons it doesn't happen all the time is that Paizo is a high quality company and they revise their products thoroughly before reprinting them.
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Yeah I'm with Tri. I think the major reason we got updates were two-fold:
1) Both of them were originally written for 3.5 D&D.
2) Being sold out AND popular meant that people wanted them.
The first doesn't apply as much as the second if you look at Kingmaker and/or Carrion Crown.
1) In the past it was a condition that the original material should be 3.5 to be revised and collected. That statement was later changed.
It also seems very likely to me that if we get a third hardcover collection of a (mostly) sold out AP, it will be for the PF 2.0 rules set, so it doesn't matter if it was for the 3.5 or Pathfinder rules set before.2.) Kingmaker was probably being choosen for the computer game story, because it was so popular.
Carrion Crown didn't reach the same level of popularity, that is true.
But it is sold out and now getting a follow-up AP with "The Tyrant's Grasp", so there may be a market for it if the very good single installments are strung better together and the big bad is introduced earlier on. ;-)
But i think that PF 2.0 has to establish itself first in 2019 & 2020 minimum, before such a decision may or may not be made.
Personally i think that the demand is there. :-)
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The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.Why do you continue to operate under the assumption that something selling out only after a long, long time is a good seller?Paizo employees said multiple times that their business model is not selling out of a product immediately and that availability over a longer time is their goal.
Two years for a hardcover collection with a print run of a few thousand units IS pretty fast and not "a long long time".Collecting sold out single volumes into compilations is a standard operating procedure in the comics & books (and to a lesser degree in the rpg) industry.
One of the reasons it doesn't happen all the time is that Paizo is a high quality company and they revise their products thoroughly before reprinting them.
1) You do realize that when certain products (the ones that sell good) sell out they do another print run right? And that’s not counting the always aviable PDFs.
2) It’s NOT. It’s really, really not.
3) and because people wouldn’t buy the subscriptions when they can just buy the collected version for cheaper, which is exactly what comic book readers do too.
Collecting sold out single volumes into compilations is a standard operating procedure in the comics & books (and to a lesser degree in the rpg) industry.
I don't think comparing the comic model to Paizo's model is necessarily a good analogy for your reasoning here.
Bear in mind that, in the comics industry, advertising pays for a substantial part of the cost of the printed comic, which is why monthly comics are still being created (as opposed to going over full throttle to trade paperbacks). That isn't the case (at least to the best of my knowledge) for APs.
Additionally, comic publishers don't bother waiting for singles to sell out before collecting them in trade (just look at all the single issues that fill the dollar bins in any comic store. Volumes of them these days, as opposed to once upon a time). So you end up in a situation where the retailer- who orders his issues on spec, hoping for his retail customers to buy up the singles- now has a lot of singles left to try and dispose of at a much lower profit margin. (Which has hurt a lot of retailers substantially.)
If anything, I would think that the comic model would be a good cautionary tale to Paizo [u]not[/u] to collect APs on any kind of regular basis. I would assume that they retain the bulk of their print run, with only a small percentage of it going out to retailers to sell, meaning that they would be the ones with the largest volume of what are presumably less appealing (to purchasers) single issues when they do their collected "reprint."
(Just as an aside, I'm kind of glad they haven't put out collected volumes of more APs than they have. I really love the collected/revised RotRL, but I was somewhat disappointed in CoCT. I felt that the layout was not up to the quality of the layout in the RotRL collection, and did not care for most of the changes. I prefer the single issues, even if they do require conversion to PF.)
In 2013, Vic Wertz wrote:
Right now, a group looking for an AP might well rule out the 3.5 ones, and the ones that have volumes out of print, so that leaves them 7 APs to consider—or, assuming quality and appeal being similar among them, a 1 in 7 chance they'll buy the current product. If we updated the 3.5 ones, and reprinted the out-of-print volumes, the odd that they'd choose the current release drop to 1 in 12.
The simple fact is that we need to sell you what we're making more than we need to sell you what we've made, and allowing things to go out of print is therefore a necessity.
And when those out-of-print volumes go for big money on eBay, that's actually helpful in that it helps establish an upward trend for the future value of a present subscription, and underlines the fact that the best time to subscribe to our lines is "as soon as possible."
That is, Paizo benefits from not having their entire back catalog available in print.
The edition change is an interesting wrinkle, however, in that it could theoretically provide a way to sell older product to people who choose to stick with the older ruleset, on the theory that people who want to keep playing P1e aren't going to be buying P2e APs anyway so they're not cannibalizing their own sales. I would guess that there would be a long hiatus before they might choose to make older APs available, to encourage anyone on the fence to go ahead and make the change to the new ruleset.
Converting old APs to the new rules seems less likely, as it does cannibalize sales of new APs. Given the changes taking place in the campaign setting, it might also prove confusing to new customers trying to square up what they're reading in an updated AP with what's in the new Campaign Setting book(s).
You two trying to gainsay everything is really weak. Who cares?
