Pathfinder Adventure Path: Curse of the Crimson Throne (PFRPG)

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A Campaign Fit For a Queen

The kings and queens of Korvosa have long ruled under the shadow of the Curse of the Crimson Throne—an infamous superstition claiming that no monarch of the city of Korvosa shall ever die of old age or produce an heir. Whether or not there is any truth to the legend of the curse, Korvosa's current king is but the latest victim to succumb to this foul legacy. Now, the metropolis teeters on the edge of anarchy, and it falls to a band of new heroes to save Korvosa from the greatest threat it has ever known! This hardcover compilation updates the fan-favorite campaign for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, including new and revised content and nearly 500 pages packed with mayhem, excitement, and adventure!

This hardcover edition of Curse of the Crimson Throne contains:

  • All six chapters of the original Adventure Path, expanded and updated for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game.
  • An in-depth gazetteer of the city of Korvosa as it exists under the rule of its new queen.
  • An array of new rules options for characters, ranging from campaign traits to spells to magic items.
  • An expansive appendix with statistics, descriptions, backgrounds, and rules support for the 12 most important NPCs in the campaign.
  • A bestiary featuring nine monsters from the original Adventure Path making their debut under the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules.
  • Dozens of new illustrations, never-before-seen characters, location maps, extensive new encounter locations, and more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-890-8

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Frick it my review got deleted

5/5

I wrote fricking long review about great time I had with running the whole campaign(and post campaign) and then it got deleted by the fricking "too much backtracking" page dagnabbit

I'm not gonna write the entire thing again, so here is in short: This campaign has great recurring NPC cast(most of later APs have problem with introducing cool NPCs and then rest of books never mentioning them again), great themes, great villains, Kazavon's awesome hair, allows multiple approaches to different situations(such as infiltrating with sneaking or talking through places instead of just fighting through them. Kinda reminds me of Deux Ex computer games in a way), awesome locations, awesome post campaign potential and is one of my favourite APs ever.


Good value, but some reservations

4/5

Short Version: A smart buy but held back by structural issues.

It's hard to get better adventure value for your dollar than this or the Rise of the Runelords collected edition. If I were reviewing on that alone, this would be 5 stars and then some. But there's more to an adventure than that.

The AP's hook is quite good, but almost immediately discarded in favor of saving the city. This can be helped a good session 0, but still feels artificial.

Even looking at the new plot, many elements feel shoehorned in. People point to volumes 4 and 5 for this, but there are sections in 2 that exist only to kill time as the plot advances and an entire dungeon in 3 that is cool but can seem forced if the players don't kick in the door right away. Any of these alone would be fine, but each makes the next more obvious.

That being said, there's a lot of cool stuff going on here, it just takes at least a star's worth of work to stitch it together.


3.5 vs. Pathfinder comparison!

5/5

I´m gonna list the differences between the original AP#7s chapters and it´s adaption into the hardcover edition:

Inside front cover:
The "Korvosan Hierarchy" overview is not reprinted.
Part 1:
The illustration on page 6 is exchanged for a cartoony new one on page 12 of the HC.
Page 10 of AP#7 has a map where the 8 locations in Korvosa that are important for book 1 are marked and named. This map is reprinted on page 400 of the HC but that one shows ALL important locations of the campaign at once, marked with letters and numbers.
"Lamm´s Lambs" stats are upgraded to young human on page 18 of the HC.
"Yargin Balko" now has a full body illustration instead of an upper body one. "Hookshanks Gruller" gets a full body illustration. "Giggles" gets a fbi. "Gaedren Lamm" gets a fbi.
Part 2:
King Eodred Arabasti gets a head illu. "Imps and Dragons" gets an illustration. "Meet the mob" gets a "Amin Jalento" head illu and his battle stats.
Part 3:
The illustration of "Sabina Merrin" on page 25 is not reprinted (she gets a new one on page 455).
Part 4:
"Cressida Croft" gets a head illu (and fbi on page 443). The Queens gets a new veiled head illu (the old one is more mysterious). The "renegade guards" stats in "All the Worlds Meat" get new stats. "Verik Vancasterkin" is upgraded from fighter 3 to fighter 4.
Part 5:
The "Ambassadors Secret" gets a new head illu. The fbi of "Vencarlo Orisini" from page 34 is not reprinted. The fbi of "Devargo Barvasi" on page 37 is replaced with a new one that is very much less impressive. He is upgraded from rogue 4 to rogue 5. "Majenko" is changed from pseudodragon to house drake. The illustration on page 41 is replaced with a new one (page 57). Both are equally creepy.
Part 6:
The "Trinia Sabor" fbi from page 43 is not reprinted (she gets a new look on page 460, but the old one is flashier). She is upgraded from bard 4 to bard 5. "The Shingle Chase" gets a better illustration. Curiously it features the old flashier Trinia Sabor outfit instead of the new.
Part 7:
The Owlbear skeleton gets gorgeous art on page 59 of the HC. The cool illustration on page 52 is replaced by a cool new one on HC page 61.
Cabbagehead´s head illu is replaced by a fbi. The "Gaekhen" head illu is not reprinted. "Vreeg" gets a much better new fbi.
Concluding the adventure:
The famous "green dress Illeosa Arabasti" illustration from page 56 (on which the first miniature is based) is NOT reprinted!
The Blackjack illustration from page 57 is replaced by a much better one on HC page 67.
Appendixes:
The 4 page Harrow article is updated to a 14 page one!
The 8 page "people of the road" article about varisians is not reprinted.
The 6 page Pathfinder´s journal is not reprinted.
Bestiary:
The illustration of the "Dream Spider", the only creature that hasn´t been adapted to a Bestiary yet, is not reprinted from page 82 but it´s stats are.
Inside back cover:
The "Korvosas enemies" overview is not reprinted.

While the new edition HC is better overall and everything needed for playing the campaign is included, updated and streamlined, quite a few cool things are left out.
I´m glad i got the original AP #7 too.


Even better than the original

5/5

Read my full review at Of Dice and Pen.

It was perhaps inevitable that Curse of the Crimson Throne would one day also receive a similar treatment to Rise of the Runelords. There’s no special anniversary to celebrate this year, but does there really need to be? Much like its Runelords predecessor, the new hardcover compilation of Crimson Throne updates the adventure path to Pathfinder rules and also expands on the story where beneficial and streamlines in other areas. It also takes advantage of the most recent rules supplements, making use of newer monsters, classes, and feats where appropriate.

At nearly 500 pages in length, it is actually a substantially larger tome than the hardcover Runelords (a good 50 pages or so longer), and its extra length is certainly put to good use. Indeed, it manages to make one of the best adventure paths even better.


The Best Just Got Bester!

5/5

Ahoy hoy everyone!

Welcome to the officially official first review of Captain Yesterday's not so official reviews of everything and life... or is that too cumbersome... how about an acronym... The O.O.F.R.O.C.Y.N.S.O.R.O.E.A.L... that will have to do for now.

Now that I've milked how many words on that, let me say without a doubt this is one beautiful book, and hefty too! With upwards of 480 pages you really get your money's worth.

This might take awhile so I'll most likely come back and edit and update, so stay tuned!

The campaign traits - this is one of my favorite parts of the book, while there are only six traits, each one has two different options, they do an excellent job at both getting your party to really hate Gaedren Lamm, they also do an exceptional job at giving the player's a glimpse of Korvosa. So five stars!

Alright, gotta go for now! But I'll be back soon!


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I started GMing adventure paths, and I turned out alright. :-)


Okay fine. You're a captain and a risk taker.


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Looking at CotCT, Iron Gods, or IronFang Invasion. Decisions.


Musall,

As much as I love Ironfang now, CotCT is STILL the go to adventure for city adventuring AND just general adventuring.


CotCT remains my favorite as well - followed by Kingmaker and Runelords.

Two out of my three favorites have had hardcover editions - If I were a betting man, I would say that Kingmaker will be the next to get the hardcover treatment... but not anytime soon. (Much as I would love to run out and buy it in hardcover right now.)


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Rysky wrote:

If you like City based adventures then yes.

If it's your first tile GMing though I would probably recommend a module over a whole AP.

"First tile GMing?"

Hunt, the Rysky mind control device is on the fritz again...


Pug,

I think it's more the keyboards are acting up.

Auld,

I wouldn't expect to see a Kingmaker HC any time before 2025.


Stebehil wrote:
Flynn Greywalker wrote:
I hope Shattered Star, Second Darkness and one to two more of the older paths (I hope either Carrion Crown, Serpents Skull or Skulls and Shackles) go this way in a year or two. I love that you guys update them and add some new material. Great call!

Don´t hold your breath for other updates. James said as much in another thread. IF this happens at all, my guess would be that it would be the remaining two 3.5 APs, nothing newer.

EDIT: ninja´d by Gorbacz (where in Poland are you anyway?)

So no talk of them doing Second Darkness?

The Exchange

I'd love to see another AP or Module set in the same area as Second Darkness - kind of like a SD do-over, since there were all kinds of problems with that AP.


RaFon,

There's a lot of stuff that would have be reworked for Second Darkness to be...more up to par with some other Adventure Paths.

Zeugma,

That might happen. It might not.


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Bellona wrote:

The havero will most likely get updated!

... I wonder if the optional havero points (from a certain - probably slightly infamous - thread on the boards here) will be included this time? :D

... And I finally got the time to take a closer look at certain parts of my copy of CotCT RE (Revised Edition).

As others have mentioned earlier, the havero does indeed get updated to PF. I was amused to see an extra sentence inserted into the Appendages section. Here it is, with the most relevant part in bold (by me):

"The options for tentacles a havero has at its disposal are listed below (at your discretion, some haveros may have developed even more unique or specialized tentacle options beyond these)."

Methinks that that's a subtle reference to that infamous thread ... :D


Bell,

I thought it was just the fact it could maybe have fan tentacles...


Sorry to resurrect this, but I was not able to find any official response to the question:

Is/Will there be a PDF product available for the Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition adventure path containing just the maps?

I've been looking forward to this book's inception since about a year into my Rise of the Runelords (AE) campaign. I picked up the hardcover as soon as I could, but I was not a Subscriber at the time, and so did not benefit from the offer of a free PDF (of the whole book) with purchase.

I don't even need interactive maps, just electronic files... I use my laptop as a GM screen, and it's a lot easier to flip through images than physical pages :)

Thanks, and please keep up the good work!

(subliminal message to creative staff: shattered star hardcover. shattered star hardcover. Shattered star...)


Bushido,

I'm pretty sure they said there wouldn't be. But again, I could be wrong. You might want to PM Vic Wertz since he knows things.

Grand Lodge

BushidoWarriorWookiee wrote:

Sorry to resurrect this, but I was not able to find any official response to the question:

Is/Will there be a PDF product available for the Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition adventure path containing just the maps?

Through an email with their staff, they are only giving out the Interactive Maps files with the purchase of the PDF edition of this. This is kind of irritating to me, since I already bought the (more expensive) hard cover edition. The least they could do is give out the map pdf to people that purchase the hard cover. Only containing it within the PDF version is sucky.


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Agyon wrote:
Through an email with their staff, they are only giving out the Interactive Maps files with the purchase of the PDF edition of this. This is kind of irritating to me, since I already bought the (more expensive) hard cover edition. The least they could do is give out the map pdf to people that purchase the hard cover. Only containing it within the PDF version is sucky.

I don't see why one would expect that digital resources should be free with purchase if it isn't advertised that way. No digital maps are provided with the print copy of any softcover Paizo AP installment, and the interactive maps for the RotRL hardcover are sold separately for $14.99. (You might also note that that product is not well-reviewed, and you may well not be happy with the digital maps if you had them; they are not designed to be printed out at scale as battlemaps, for example, and people using them in VTTs frequently complain that the grids are not reliable.)

The only way to get free PDFs with a Paizo print purchase is through subscription to a product line, and that is by design to encourage subscriptions.


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Indeed, life sucks, drop a few bucks and make it suck a little less. The point of commerce and whatnot.


Hi All, I was a little confused about the placement of all the levels and such and exactly what areas were visible from above. I.e. tower tops and turrets mostly didn't have a map page that showed roofs. The perspective cinematic picture of heroes walking across causeway with the castle in the background makes it clear that all towers have roofs. The maps also show a typical brown colored roof over B36 and it should be something else according to the description. So I've created a 6 layer graphic of the castle with every internal area blacked out, and with roofs over everything that should have roofs (on the appropriate image layer), and with a recolored roof over B36. The images are low res (439x563) but are suitable for players who are doing flying reconnaissance to see an overview of the entire castle, where landing sites are, and where arrow slits or windows all around the castle and towers are. I would like to share this with the community here on the forum but I need Paizo permission to do so.

So, Paizo, is it permitted to share this as a play aid? Should I send it to someone at Paizo first so someone can review it?


You are allowed to share your own maps and creations. Most folks post on the GM thread in the forum or start one in the appropriate adventure path forum.


Brother Fen wrote:
You are allowed to share your own maps and creations. Most folks post on the GM thread in the forum or start one in the appropriate adventure path forum.

This uses their maps. Reduced in resolution. Merged together into a multi-layer image. Edited to black out interior rooms, add missing roofs on the correct layers, and recolored the proper glass roof section. This makes it a derivative work. Paizo owns the copyright, and the source images are not OGL content, so I can't share it publicly without their express permission. I would love to share it, because I think it will help players understand the exterior layout better than the "environs" map.


Yeah, you won't be given permission to share that publicly.

Dark Archive

LESS THAN 25 COPIES LEFT!

This certainly sold faster than the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition hardcover (which is great too)!

Get it while you can, this will never be reprinted with PF 2.0 coming in 8 months!

Dark Archive

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Now only a few non-mint copies remain, essentially the Curse of the Crimson Crown hardcover has SOLD OUT in about two years!

Silver Crusade

Aww, and here I was going to pick up a copy for the wife for the holidays :( I snoozed and I loosed! (snost and lost? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ who can say)


So glad I was able to snag a copy. The prices on the secondary market are starting to skyrocket already.

Maybe Paizo will find another crate full in their warehouse one day.


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I bought it when it came out.


So it's not just a clever name then?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

Yeah, it was an instant purchase for me.

Silver Crusade

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Same.


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Me too. Big thick hardcover adventures were something I literally dreamed about back in my AD&D/D&D days so when Paizo made the dream a reality I bought them all on release (Shackled City, RotRL and CotCT).


I... Missed out waiting to see if I'd get it off the Christmas list. Should have bought it 4 months ago when I was thinking about it!


I'd buy it from the secondary market as soon as possible. The price has already doubled and will most likely just rise from there.


Yeah, its already well over $200. I've been scouting to disappointment.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Oooof. I'm happy I got mine back then when it was at the normal market price. Just got the pawns as well (which are still available), though I probably won't run it for anybody in the next years.

Dark Archive

The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.
"Kingmaker" & "Carrion Crown" are strong candidates, as both are sold out.

If Pathfinder 2.0 wouldn't be a thing, it would probably already be in the pipeline for a 2020 release, but as it is, this doesn't seem like a priority.

Grand Lodge

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I really doubt it.


Yeah I'm with Tri. I think the major reason we got updates were two-fold:

1) Both of them were originally written for 3.5 D&D.

2) Being sold out AND popular meant that people wanted them.

The first doesn't apply as much as the second if you look at Kingmaker and/or Carrion Crown.

Silver Crusade

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So, Marko, how many of this did Paizo sell?

Silver Crusade

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Marco Massoudi wrote:
The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.

Why do you continue to operate under the assumption that something selling out only after a long, long time is a good seller?

Dark Archive

Gorbacz wrote:
So, Marko, how many of this did Paizo sell?

All of them, Gorbakz.

Dark Archive

Rysky wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.
Why do you continue to operate under the assumption that something selling out only after a long, long time is a good seller?

Paizo employees said multiple times that their business model is not selling out of a product immediately and that availability over a longer time is their goal.

Two years for a hardcover collection with a print run of a few thousand units IS pretty fast and not "a long long time".

Collecting sold out single volumes into compilations is a standard operating procedure in the comics & books (and to a lesser degree in the rpg) industry.
One of the reasons it doesn't happen all the time is that Paizo is a high quality company and they revise their products thoroughly before reprinting them.

Dark Archive

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Yeah I'm with Tri. I think the major reason we got updates were two-fold:

1) Both of them were originally written for 3.5 D&D.

2) Being sold out AND popular meant that people wanted them.

The first doesn't apply as much as the second if you look at Kingmaker and/or Carrion Crown.

1) In the past it was a condition that the original material should be 3.5 to be revised and collected. That statement was later changed.

It also seems very likely to me that if we get a third hardcover collection of a (mostly) sold out AP, it will be for the PF 2.0 rules set, so it doesn't matter if it was for the 3.5 or Pathfinder rules set before.

2.) Kingmaker was probably being choosen for the computer game story, because it was so popular.
Carrion Crown didn't reach the same level of popularity, that is true.
But it is sold out and now getting a follow-up AP with "The Tyrant's Grasp", so there may be a market for it if the very good single installments are strung better together and the big bad is introduced earlier on. ;-)

But i think that PF 2.0 has to establish itself first in 2019 & 2020 minimum, before such a decision may or may not be made.
Personally i think that the demand is there. :-)

Grand Lodge

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They revising a PF1 AP into a PF2 AP would make more sense.

Silver Crusade

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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
The sales on this hardcover should almost guarantee another sold out Adventure Path getting the same treatment in the future, imo.
Why do you continue to operate under the assumption that something selling out only after a long, long time is a good seller?

Paizo employees said multiple times that their business model is not selling out of a product immediately and that availability over a longer time is their goal.

Two years for a hardcover collection with a print run of a few thousand units IS pretty fast and not "a long long time".

Collecting sold out single volumes into compilations is a standard operating procedure in the comics & books (and to a lesser degree in the rpg) industry.
One of the reasons it doesn't happen all the time is that Paizo is a high quality company and they revise their products thoroughly before reprinting them.

1) You do realize that when certain products (the ones that sell good) sell out they do another print run right? And that’s not counting the always aviable PDFs.

2) It’s NOT. It’s really, really not.

3) and because people wouldn’t buy the subscriptions when they can just buy the collected version for cheaper, which is exactly what comic book readers do too.


Marco Massoudi wrote:
Collecting sold out single volumes into compilations is a standard operating procedure in the comics & books (and to a lesser degree in the rpg) industry.

I don't think comparing the comic model to Paizo's model is necessarily a good analogy for your reasoning here.

Bear in mind that, in the comics industry, advertising pays for a substantial part of the cost of the printed comic, which is why monthly comics are still being created (as opposed to going over full throttle to trade paperbacks). That isn't the case (at least to the best of my knowledge) for APs.

Additionally, comic publishers don't bother waiting for singles to sell out before collecting them in trade (just look at all the single issues that fill the dollar bins in any comic store. Volumes of them these days, as opposed to once upon a time). So you end up in a situation where the retailer- who orders his issues on spec, hoping for his retail customers to buy up the singles- now has a lot of singles left to try and dispose of at a much lower profit margin. (Which has hurt a lot of retailers substantially.)

If anything, I would think that the comic model would be a good cautionary tale to Paizo [u]not[/u] to collect APs on any kind of regular basis. I would assume that they retain the bulk of their print run, with only a small percentage of it going out to retailers to sell, meaning that they would be the ones with the largest volume of what are presumably less appealing (to purchasers) single issues when they do their collected "reprint."

(Just as an aside, I'm kind of glad they haven't put out collected volumes of more APs than they have. I really love the collected/revised RotRL, but I was somewhat disappointed in CoCT. I felt that the layout was not up to the quality of the layout in the RotRL collection, and did not care for most of the changes. I prefer the single issues, even if they do require conversion to PF.)


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In 2013, Vic Wertz wrote:

Quote:

Right now, a group looking for an AP might well rule out the 3.5 ones, and the ones that have volumes out of print, so that leaves them 7 APs to consider—or, assuming quality and appeal being similar among them, a 1 in 7 chance they'll buy the current product. If we updated the 3.5 ones, and reprinted the out-of-print volumes, the odd that they'd choose the current release drop to 1 in 12.

The simple fact is that we need to sell you what we're making more than we need to sell you what we've made, and allowing things to go out of print is therefore a necessity.

And when those out-of-print volumes go for big money on eBay, that's actually helpful in that it helps establish an upward trend for the future value of a present subscription, and underlines the fact that the best time to subscribe to our lines is "as soon as possible."

That is, Paizo benefits from not having their entire back catalog available in print.

The edition change is an interesting wrinkle, however, in that it could theoretically provide a way to sell older product to people who choose to stick with the older ruleset, on the theory that people who want to keep playing P1e aren't going to be buying P2e APs anyway so they're not cannibalizing their own sales. I would guess that there would be a long hiatus before they might choose to make older APs available, to encourage anyone on the fence to go ahead and make the change to the new ruleset.

Converting old APs to the new rules seems less likely, as it does cannibalize sales of new APs. Given the changes taking place in the campaign setting, it might also prove confusing to new customers trying to square up what they're reading in an updated AP with what's in the new Campaign Setting book(s).


You two trying to gainsay everything is really weak. Who cares?

Shadow Lodge

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Apparently you do.

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