If St.Cuthbert was a Pathfinder deity

Cuthbert spent his life as a saint on a distant world, but in death was sent by his god to act as a deity in another world. While at first serving as a minor deity under Aroden whom he felt had many similarities in beliefs to his own, he later became a more prominent after Arodens death, and felt many similarities between Imoedae and Jesus. Today he continues spreading the teachings of his god to others in hopes of saving the world from the darkness that is beginning to consume it.

Imoedae: sees her as a parallel to Christ.
Aroden: a friend who has passed away but will never be forgotten.
Erastil: a god of similar mindset but feels that he neglects the people in the cities too often.
Abadar: a well disciplined deity, but forgets sometimes about the people in the countryside and that without virtue, law means nothing.
Torag: excellent fighting companion and friend.
Sarenae: a woman of good heart, though easily forgets to discipline her converts and followers so they don't fall back onto sin.
Shelyn: a kind girl, but thinks too much about love and not enough about fighting evil.
Cayden Cailien: an unruly boy who tries to do the right thing but always looks for trouble.
Desna: a tragic story behind that girl, but doesn't have the proper discipline to truly be able to make a difference with her fighting.
Iori: a well disciplined individual, but doesn't think enough about helping others, only his own personal enlightenment.
CN deities: cause nothing but trouble.
Pharasma: a grim woman who knows the need for proper judgment in the afterlife.
Nethys: an disaster waiting to happen.
Gozreh: disaster itself, untamed but tolerable.
Asmodeus: reminds him heavily of lucifer.
All other evil deities: abominations that should be slain on sight.

So what do you think?

I think it's a good attempt, but I'm not sure any Catholic saint would be comfortable impersonating a deity. I also suspect he'd be very likely to talk about the Gospels or One True God or even Christ unless there's some extremely good reason not to.

His weapon would more likely be a quarterstaff. He doesn't seem to be very militarily related, though I know where you've gotten the cudgel from.

I like it. Sort of a blending of the older St Cuthbert with the info in Artifacts and Legends.

I do think a bit more info on his teaching, followers, and what sorts of disputes he has with other similar deities might be cool, and maybe making him an Empyreal Lord?

If this is the Greyhawk St. Cuthbert, he has nothing to do with Christianity or any Earth-based religions.

Favored weapon should be a heavy bludgeoning one. He is also known as "St. Cuthbert of the Cudgel". And I find the tie-in to christianity to be unnerving.

Pretty cool!

My simple St. Cuthbert conversion:

St. Cuthbert, LN

Portfolios: wisdom, truth, honesty, discipline, retribution and zeal

Domains: Destruction, Law, Protection, and Strength

Favored Weapons: mace, morningstar, or greatclub. I like to give my player's clerics more options so I typically specify more than one possibility as a favored weapon.

Actually, the Greyhawk St Cuthbert was very christian based, both originating from the real-world St Cuthbert, and also was a sort of dualistic joke between two rival LG deities, (Pholtus).

St. Cuthbert only switched to LN in 3E, (and only in the core setting material), because there where not enough LN deities, but that really ruined the vast majority of his point and background. Before then, he was the contrast to Pholtus, (who was much more of a black and white, destroy all evil, no exceptions) while LG St. Cuthbert was more along the lines of a patient, wise, philisophical-warrior, but not affraid to to smack a king over the head to make them see when they are being stupid, hence, the "of the Cudgle".

I think it's a good attempt, but I'm not sure any Catholic saint would be comfortable impersonating a deity. I also suspect he'd be very likely to talk about the Gospels or One True God or even Christ unless there's some extremely good reason not to.

His weapon would more likely be a quarterstaff. He doesn't seem to be very militarily related, though I know where you've gotten the cudgel from.

If we're talking about basically a hybrid between D&D Cuthbert and the real historical Christian guy, maybe you could spin it that Cuthbert believes that God relates to Golarion in a different manner than He relates to earth. Or perhaps Golarion is at a particular stage in its spiritual development in which their conception of "gods" is incomplete, and the best thing Cuthbert can do is to act as a spiritual example among the "gods". Cuthbert's not really impersonating a deity, since Golarion's deities aren't really "deities" as that term would be defined on Earth.

Or perhaps Golarion is at a particular stage in its spiritual development in which their conception of "gods" is incomplete, and the best thing Cuthbert can do is to act as a spiritual example among the "gods". Cuthbert's not really impersonating a deity, since Golarion's deities aren't really "deities" as that term would be defined on Earth.

I think the undrlaying issue is less that St. Cuthbert is or is not a "deity", but that Cleric's and Paladin's would still need to "worship" him to get power, and he, (rather than G_d) would be their "Patron Deity". Mechanically, the way the game works pretty much invalidates completely the flavor.

Actually, the Greyhawk St Cuthbert was very christian based, both originating from the real-world St Cuthbert, and also was a sort of dualistic joke between two rival LG deities, (Pholtus).

St. Cuthbert only switched to LN in 3E, (and only in the core setting material), because there where not enough LN deities, but that really ruined the vast majority of his point and background. Before then, he was the contrast to Pholtus, (who was much more of a black and white, destroy all evil, no exceptions) while LG St. Cuthbert was more along the lines of a patient, wise, philisophical-warrior, but not affraid to to smack a king over the head to make them see when they are being stupid, hence, the "of the Cudgle".

I was referring to how the character was used in Greyhawk, even though I understand that the historical St. Cuthbert is depicted as having a more gentle personality.

So was I. 3E shifted him significantly from a nonzealot LG deity of patience and wisdom to a LN deity of inquisition. But even in Greyhawk 3E the shift was not as drastic, and it was pretty obvious that the PHB version was off.

Im not saying that St Cuthbert in the game was christian. Im saying that a lot if the elements had their seriel numbers smudged off.

I was attempting to combine the Greyhawk deity with the his mentioning in the Artifacts supplement. who knows, god works in mysterious ways so something like this could happen, just as it is mentioned in a couple of supplements that our world could exist in this universe. plus I built his domains based upon his portfolio. Nobility replacing dominion, and glory replacing destruction since the destruction domain in pathfinder is geared towards wanton mayhem and glory towards righteous wraith.

I was attempting to combine the Greyhawk deity with the his mentioning in the Artifacts supplement. who knows, god works in mysterious ways so something like this could happen, just as it is mentioned in a couple of supplements that our world could exist in this universe. plus I built his domains based upon his portfolio. Nobility replacing dominion, and glory replacing destruction since the destruction domain in pathfinder is geared towards wanton mayhem and glory towards righteous wraith.

Well, there is an Empyreal Lord, Ragathiel, who has the destruction domain.

Beckett, I do agree that there were a lot of serial numbers rubbed off in Greyhawk. I just think that linking any god on Golarion to a real-world religion will not work in most campaign groups.

I dont see why? Judeao-Christian is really the only real world analogue not present in Golarion. And the entire point might actually to offer some of their players who are catholic a some they find comfortable and less unnerving in RL.

Golarion is pretty hands down the setting with the most "seriel numbers" smugded off, too.

I always find this handy when talking about the domains of the Greyhawk gods

http://www.seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/we/greyhawkdeities.html
Mike

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