It is that I don't really care that much for 0HD races (I even wished many weren't 0 HD Races at all like Sylph, Oread and Kitsunes) but if I did I would probably disappointed as well...
But now we know all the 0 HD races in this book right as they are all reprints? Can somebody come up with the list of them?
Kitsune is one, the others? Gillmen?
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The "new" races from the ARG are included, like the Wyvaran, Troxx, Gathlain, Kasatha, and Wyrwood. Not sure if all the Tien races are included, but that would be comprised of Kitsune, Nagajj, Wayang, and Samsaran.
I am cool with the "new" ARG races being added in, because they sort of exist in a nebulous state since they only exist as examples of what can be produced in the race builder.
As for the Tien races, those are "CORE" for Tian Xia, not dwarves or halflings. Because of that, my feeling is that they do not need to be included, any more than gnomes or elves are included in Bestiaries
There are no creatures from the Inner Sea Bestiary in this bestiary so that Android, Lashunta, MOnkey Golbin,Syrinx and Ghoran (too bad, I really like the Ghoran)all aren't included.
The Kitsune is already confirmed as they showed its artwork somewhere.
I think Gillmen, Changeling and Strix are all in as well, not sure about the others, don't really know them, hope they are as awesome as the Poison Woman Race from Bestiary 3.
So far these creatures are known to appear in the Bestiary:
- Argus
- Kitsune
- 3 Kaiju, one being King Mogaru
- 3 Demon Lords, one being Pazuzu
- Grendel
- Tooth Fairy
- Bodysnatcher Plant that is renamed into Bodythief
- Nosferatu
- 3 Great Old Ones, One being Cthulhu
- The Avatar of Cthulhu (Star-Spawn)
- 3 empyreal lords
- Karkinoi(probably crab folk)
- Clockwork Dragon and a Clockwork Mage-like creature which artwork is shown in the catalog
- Nightgaunt
- Leanan Sidhe
- Al-mi'raj
- 3 Juggernouts
- 5 Outer Dragons
- Probably 3 or more new Drakes
- Necrocrafts (seeing this name means there are multiple of them)
- Owb
- Soulbound Shell
- New Gremlin Creatures, maybe some from AP's or maybe some new ones that resemble the ones from the movies.
- Einherjar
- Formians, probably the ones from D&D's 3.5 monster manual, so Worker, Warrior, Queen and another one I forgot the name from.
- Pickled Punks
- Fleshwarps (maybe multiple?)
- Gallowdead
- Psychopomps (probably re-used from AP's and other books)
- Slag Giant
- Blood Golem
- Template (divine guardian)
- Template (mummified)
- Template (shadow)
- Template (Fungal)
- Elohim (one creature or an entire group? Unknown)
- Immortal Guardian Dragon (could be ladon??)
+ The strange monster with Fungal wings from the catalog, but that could be a monster that suits the already mentioned monsters of course...
Probably in it too, but not 100% sure, but with some questions I pretty much figured them out.
- many of the AP-Lovecraft critters like Bhole, Colour out of Space and Flying Polyp
- Bakeneko &/or Nekomata
- Cherufe
- Gillmen
- Strix
- Changeling
- Chesire Cat
- Nagaji
- More 0HD races
- Probably around 3 Robots but they could also be the Clockworks and Juggernouts.
- I hope the other Demon Lords are Orcus and Juiblex
- Probably 2 Trolls
- Probably a Zombie like they did in the previous Bestiaries, I think they go with the Zombie from the Pirate AP, the one with needles in it.
Do I forget anything?
Sincubus how do you know there are 3 Juggernauts?
Forgot about the Kuru, I need to look them up again.
Nosferatu would also be a template.
O my mistake, I thought the Juggernouts were the same as Kaiju, Demon Lords and Great Old Ones, having all 3 I thought the Juggernouts would have 3 as well.
Well that means some creatures are cut or your talking about the sub-list (which were guesses) or about the 3 before juggernout or something I put behind formian/gremlin/Psychopomps or anything cuz I just took all creatures that were mentioned in both the bestiary 4 topics in the text or in James Jacobs question/answer thread and the catalog.
So i'm very curious why i'm incorrect about the main-list.
- Argus (mentioned in lists)
- Kitsune (mentioned being art shown)
- 3 Kaiju, one being King Mogaru (mentioned by JJ few pages back and in lists)
- 3 Demon Lords, one being Pazuzu (mentioned by JJ and in lists)
- Grendel (mentioned in lists)
- Tooth Fairy (mentioned and art shown)
- Bodysnatcher Plant that is renamed into Bodythief (mentioned to be renamed by JJ and artwork shown)
- Template (Nosferatu) (mentioned, forgot to mentioned Template, but nosferatu is even on the cover)
- 3 Great Old Ones, One being Cthulhu (mentioned and on the cover)
- The Avatar of Cthulhu (Star-Spawn)(mentioned in this or the other topic)
- 3 empyreal lords (mentioned by JJ in question topic)
- Karkinoi(in the list and mentioned, maybe not crabfolk but that was between ())
- Clockwork Dragon and a Clockwork Mage-like creature which artwork is shown in the catalog (artwork in catolog + dragon is mentioned in lists)
- Nightgaunt (mentioned in lists)
- Leanan Sidhe (mentioned in text)
- Al-mi'raj (mentioned in lists)
- 3 Juggernouts (mentioned but it could be more or less, so this could be a error you are talking about?)
- 5 Outer Dragons (mentioned by JJ in question thread)
- Probably 3 or more new Drakes (number is a guess but there is mentioned there are new drakes)
- Necrocrafts (mentioned)
- Owb (mentioned)
- Soulbound Shell (mentioned)
- New Gremlin Creatures, maybe some from AP's or maybe some new ones that resemble the ones from the movies. (this could be another error, but it is mentioned that there will be new Gremlins and I said MAYBE so people don't confuse maybe with whats real)
- Einherjar (Mentioned with the mythology creatures as Pickled Punks and Argus)
- Formians, probably the ones from D&D's 3.5 monster manual, so Worker, Warrior, Queen and another one I forgot the name from. (could be an error, but Formians aren't an error cuz they are in the list)
- Pickled Punks (In the lists)
- Fleshwarps (Maybe a single creature then but it is mentioned)
- Gallowdead (mentioned)
- Psychopomps (probably re-used from AP's and other books)(maybe not re-used but it is mentioned they are in)
- Slag Giant (mentioned)
- Blood Golem (mentioned)
- Template (divine guardian)(Mentioned)
- Template (mummified)(mentioned)
- Template (shadow)(Mentioned))
- Template (Fungal) (mentioned in the text above)
- Elohim (one creature or an entire group? Unknown) (mentioned in the text)
- Immortal Guardian Dragon (could be ladon??)(mentioned in the text above, but if you refer to the ladon thing that was a guess, everything between ( ) is a guess, but the Immortal Guardian Dragon is mentioned)
All the others aren't on the list and were assumptions so if you are talking about them, they were guesses because I saw few hints about them, but they aren't on the main list so they can be errors, but again i'm guessing you talking about the main list.
I am curious about that statement as well Mr. Daigle.
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Also... since we're still months away from this book's actual release, and thus months away from the "start getting folks officially excited about the book," we won't be releasing a CORRECT list of its contents for some time to come.
I will remind folks, also from the Department of Expectation Management, that this Bestiary, like all Bestiaries, is primarially a place to present new monsters for the GM, not new race options for the PCs. The zero HD races in this book are pretty much all picked up from Dragon Empires Gazetteer and from Advanced Race Guide—those races haven't yet appeared in a bestiary as monster options, and so now they do appear... but that pretty much fills up the available zero HD race slots in the book. Don't expect any "new" zero HD races in Bestiary 4 as a result.
Hmm..
If they were ARG that's good enough for me. I'd rather have more monsters!
Ooo, is there anywhere that I can look to see the kitsune bestiary artwork since it was shown at the con?
Anyway, I can understand why some people would be upset that the kitsune are "taking up space" in the bestiary, but I'm glad to see that that kitsune are getting in there. Maybe they'll get a little more fleshing out in their racial background from it :D
I dont think a long sword alone will be able to handle this. Oh will GM's are going to have fun with this one hahaha.
So they showed art for the bestiary 4 version of the Kitsune at PaizoCon?
So they showed art for the bestiary 4 version of the Kitsune at PaizoCon?
During the Banquet, yes.
Well if there are mistakes in my list they are hopefully not about:
Argus - Grendel - Tooth Fairy - Bodythief - Nightgaunt - Leanan Sidhe - Al Mi Raj - Einherjar - Formians (read ant-centaurs not Fomorian giants) and Blood Golem
I really like and want these creatures (which are in the given lists so far), the others I don't really know much about or others aren't my favorites so if the errors are there I wouldn't notice in the final product.
And if the Karkinoi is what I think it is then I really like Karkinoi too.
I hope we are still getting Argus, Almiraj, Grendel, Mummified Template, Nosferatu, Formians, Leanen Sidhe, Bodythief, Tooth Fairy, Nightguant, Gaurdian Dragon, Outer Dragons, Divine Guardian Template, and Gremlins.
It's not a question of if but when I'll pick this up. I have yet to hear anything that dulls my enthusiasm.
It does for me, but I definitely like Oozi better.
It's probably just me wanting this, but if they include Great Old Ones then I hope one of them is Ithaqua. I know, no chance to see the Wind Walker, but I'm still hoping.
And whatever we get, I'll be shocked and delighted by at least half of them.
"Oozi", a new creature type has been made.
Argus? I haven't seen that mentioned elsewhere. Maybe that is one of the incorrect parts.
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Well if there are mistakes in my list they are hopefully not about:
Argus - Grendel - Tooth Fairy - Bodythief - Nightgaunt - Leanan Sidhe - Al Mi Raj - Einherjar - Formians (read ant-centaurs not Fomorian giants) and Blood GolemI really like and want these creatures (which are in the given lists so far), the others I don't really know much about or others aren't my favorites so if the errors are there I wouldn't notice in the final product.
And if the Karkinoi is what I think it is then I really like Karkinoi too.
At Paizocon, art was shown for the Tooth Fairy and Al Miraj, and it was confirmed that the thing on the cover is Grendel, so you can move those from 'hopefully correct' to '(almost) certainly correct'
We saw art for the tooth fairy(as well as 3 other creatures) in the Paizo 2013-2014 Catalog as well.
I don't remember anyone saying they showed art for the Al Miraj at Paizo Con. All I heard was about the kitsune.
Argus was mentioned on the Bestiary 4 blog that came out around the same time as this product description here.
Argus? I haven't seen that mentioned elsewhere. Maybe that is one of the incorrect parts.
Argus is mentioned with Pickled Punks and Einherjar in the other topic about Bestiary 4, they are mentioned as creatures from real world mythology and folklore. They are in the list.
I think the error maybe is Pazuzu (I sure hope not, if I like one demon lord its pazuzu), or the error could be what I said about the formians, that they are 100% copies of the D&D monster manual, but maybe they are new variants as well, or maybe the Gremlin thing that we don't see recycled and film-based gremlins.
Or maybe something has changed in the meantime, just like the Bodysnatcher is renamed Bodythief.
and it was confirmed that the thing on the cover is Grendel
Cool, so I was right all a long. I love how it looks!
Also what did the artwork of the Al-mi'raj look like Enlight_Bystand? Was it cool was is not really? What colour did its fur have? Green like D&D or more traditional Yellow like in the real myth? Just curious :p
One creature I also really think will be in is the Snallygaster, I think you can see them flying on the cover. This is a longshot but anyway it is possible cuz the creature is from shattered star and Nightgaunts are mentioned.
I could think of nicer AP monsters to be entered in this bestiary, like Skrik Nettle and Bakekujira so I hope i'm wrong about the Snallygaster.
But if the snallygaster is in this, I hope it holds new artwork, maybe that changes my opinon about the creature.
Well they did say that Shattered Star is the stopping point for APs that they will be getting monsters from so there is a chance.
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I'd love to have some Aberrations, Animals, Constructs, Dragons, Fey, Humanoids, Magical Beasts, Monstrous Humanoids, Oozi, Outsiders, Plants and Undead. Oh, and Vermin too.
Of the 13 monsters I designed and turned over for polishing and awesomesaucing, I can guarantee that Bestiary 4 contains several of those monster types. Several, I say!
Well they did say that Shattered Star is the stopping point for APs that they will be getting monsters from so there is a chance.
Also the Snallygaster is a immense popular creature, almost on the level of how Wolverine is loved in the Marvel World.
So there will be an extremly big chance they choose that creature as one of the AP monsters which make it into the Bestiary 4.
Snallygaster...popular?...You must be talking about another creature.
I would also like to know what the artwork was like for the creatures shown for Bestiary 4 and what creatures were shown?
This far 8 down 99 to go. :-D
Hope to see many of them go bold when this bestiary is released into the world :P
Is there any place this art was described or talked about on this site? I find it kind of weird that the only thing mentioned was the Kitsune.
I hope we will start getting some previews shortly after Gen Con.
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For those of you asking about the almiraj art we previewed at the PaizoCon banquet, you should probably check the most recent photo posted on our Facebook page.
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ack...that is the creepiest bunny I have seen in a long time...those eyes....
I love it that Paizo made up it's mind and still gave Al-mi'raj a go, now for the Drop Bear and Akaname, two other creatures that were on the not-to-do list, i'm sure they appear now after seeing how popular the Al-mi'raj is on facebook.
Drop Bears (if done right) will have the same effect on people, a joke becoming a fierce and evil creature = a ++ situation ya know.
And Russ Taylor you tease! I can't wait to find out which ones that are! Very cool news!
And the Al-mi'Raj art is cool, reminds me off the VOrpal Bunny from Quest for Glory 4, I still hope the creature is larger than a normal bunny (dog size) like in the real Arab myths, but at least its not like the cute Blink Bunny from D&D/TOH. Good Work.
ack...that is the creepiest bunny I have seen in a long time...those eyes....
Not bad but still would have liked it to be gold in color instead of white though.
I like the pure white colour, it makes the Al-mi'raj look a bit like the Vorpal Bunny from QFG and MTP.
And with both the Wolpertinger, Skvader and now the Al-mi'raj in paizo's pathfinder i'm very much sure the Vorpal Bunny and Jackalope won't ever appear in pathfinder, that would make a little bit too much evil rabbit monsters haha.
But there is also no need now cuz the Wolpertinger pretty much forfills the role of Jackalope and the Almiraj that of the Vorpal Bunny.
Well at least we have 4 rabbit based monsters.
The Demon Lords appearing will be Dagon, Kostchtchie, and Pazuzu. It's in the latest blog post.
Yeah I saw that as well, Would of liked to know what the Kaiju, Empyreal Lords, or Old Ones that would be in the book much more then these guys.
I think Kostchtchie is too world specific to be in this book. At least Dagon and Pazuzu are well known outside of Pathfinder.
Yeah I saw that as well, Would of liked to know what the Kaiju, Empyreal Lords, or Old Ones that would be in the book much more then these guys.
Kaiju, empyreal lords, and Old Ones weren't really the subject of the blog post, though. It'll be revealed eventually, I'm sure. :)
I think Kostchtchie is too world specific to be in this book. At least Dagon and Pazuzu are well known outside of Pathfinder.
Kostchchie isn't Pathfinder-specific. He's been in the game for a while now.
Kostchtchie has been in the game for a long time, since 1st edition when he made his debut in Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth. He actually also appeared in the 1st edition Monster Manual 2 along with Pazuzu. Dagon was first mentioned in the Monster Manual 2 as well. While he may not be as well known or referenced as frequently as Pazuzu or Dagon, Kostchtchie is far from world specific.