PaizoCon Online Will Be Scheduled For May 26-31

Gorbacz wrote:

rknop wrote:

It sounds like Laarafel is not interesting in finding a way to make it work, but is interested in getting the Con shut down for whatever motivation.

Revenge on the abes.

That seems harsh. Seems to me to be far more justified anger at Warhorn (I'm going to take her at her word that Warhorn doesn't work for her) that is being misdirected in this case.

I kind of agree with you and deleted the post. Sorry for the confusion! But I also stand with what rknop said, and I'm ready for any legal action. C'mon, somebody give me the fight I crave so.

I'm given to understand, through working in HR, that the ADA requires companies to comply with "reasonable accomidation," which is to say that things need to be made accessible expeditiously, effectively, and avoiding "unnecessary delays."

Unfortunately it is not "reasonable" for Paizo to affect change upon another company's website in the amount of time available before the convention is to take place. I have played using Google Docs, and I do not believe that it would be effective in handling the sheer volume of sign-ons involved with an event the size of Paizocon, especially given how competitive it can get to sign on for special author and developer slots.

Warhorn, despite its flaws, is the more effective tool, and therefore is appropriate to use. Warhorn should CERTAINLY correct any issues they may have as soon as they are able (taking into account their small business status), and Paizo could certainly help that along as an influential customer, but it is not appropriate to punish Paizo (and Paizo's customers) for something that is not under their direct control.

To put it another way, we don't shut down an office if one of the wheelchair-accessible doors in the building we are renting space in breaks down. We ask the landlord to repair it and try to find other solutions for the time being.

If Warhorn works fine except for one aspect of signing up, then while it is disappointing,it does not prevent participation in the event. You can still play or GM if you contact an event organizer (who probably loves to help)! It isn't ideal, for certain, but is the lack of such worth shutting down a con involving hundreds of people? My experience with the feds says, "probably not."

It sounds like Laarafel is not interesting in finding a way to make it work, but is interested in getting the Con shut down for whatever motivation.

*Anybody else* who has issues signing up with Warhorn because of being vision impaired or for any other reason, the VOs have indicated a willingness to help. I know that there is a vision impaired person who's played in a couple of VTT games here (that were mustered via Warhorn). Please reach out to the VOs and find a way to make it work. They really do want to help make it work for you. There's no exclusionary sign hung out anywhere; it just may require a little manual intervention to get things working for you.

(And, heck, that kind of thing happens all the time. I know that a few times I've had to ask for manual intervention to get my subscriptions to ship right, for example.)

You haven't walked a mile in their shoes. As someone who advocates for my kid when they don't have the words to advocate for themselves I would suggest you can be a part of the solution without being a part of the problem. The first line and in stars are unneeded to be super helpful for people who want the help you are offering.

For people who spend their entire lives fighting to have a semblance of what we typicals consider to be normal? Have a little respect for the progress they have pushed through when people put up walls to stop them.

All of that being said. I know Paizo is extremely inclusive, I know the Con organizers will bend over backwards to assist people on a case by case basis if needed!

I also know that as someone who is typical, I can't fully understand the feels of someone who isn't and the irritation they experience when people don't try to see it from their perspective.

Hope that the organizers sort out a fair way to get people to the tables one way or the other, but I also know this is going to be thrown together VERY last minute and just ask that they do their best.

Just do the days you were scheduled for, Jack! It's free. You can choose only to attend on the weekend!

Hmm

rknop wrote:

It sounds like Laarafel is not interesting in finding a way to make it work, but is interested in getting the Con shut down for whatever motivation.

*Anybody else* who has issues signing up with Warhorn because of being vision impaired or for any other reason, the VOs have indicated a willingness to help. I know that there is a vision impaired person who's played in a couple of VTT games here (that were mustered via Warhorn). Please reach out to the VOs and find a way to make it work. They really do want to help make it work for you. There's no exclusionary sign hung out anywhere; it just may require a little manual intervention to get things working for you.

(And, heck, that kind of thing happens all the time. I know that a few times I've had to ask for manual intervention to get my subscriptions to ship right, for example.)

You haven't walked a mile in their shoes. As someone who advocates for my kid when they don't have the words to advocate for themselves I would suggest you can be a part of the solution without being a part of the problem. The first line and in stars are unneeded to be super helpful for people who want the help you are offering.

For people who spend their entire lives fighting to have a semblance of what we typicals consider to be normal? Have a little respect for the progress they have pushed through when people put up walls to stop them.

All of that being said. I know Paizo is extremely inclusive, I know the Con organizers will bend over backwards to assist people on a case by case basis if needed!

I also know that as someone who is typical, I can't fully understand the feels of someone who isn't and the irritation they experience when people don't try to see it from their perspective.

Hope that the organizers sort out a fair way to get people to the tables one way or the other, but I also know this is going to be thrown together VERY last minute and just ask that they do their best.

Completely disagree that respect should be one-way here. The approach was all wrong. It wasn't posed as awareness of an issue. It was outrage in the form of a threat and looking for a fight. All attempts to understand and help with the issue were tacitly ignored. I can understand the frustration, but this is the wrong way to approach the issue. Threats over shutting down a fan-made free event should not be encouraged.

GM recruitment is going to be handled differently than live PaizoCon, so please do not send emails to the email address above expressing interest.

Opps. Sorry, should have read though the comments before sending that email.

Question: Since Warhorn and many other of these online venues are not entirely ADA compliant, how is Paizo going to make this Con accessible given that they are starting by making calls to GMs strictly through a non-ADA compliant venue?

Please send a message to paizocononline@paizo.com with how we can assist bridging the gap!... We are happy to assist, just need some guidance how!

In any case, I will reiterate, we are more than happy to work with any member of the community facing any challenges trying to participate in PaizoCon or any other event organized by our community members. I am certain that we can work with anyone interested to find a reasonable accommodation so that they can enjoy organized play events...

I didn't come here for help. I came here to inform you what is going to happen to Paizo and, potentially, this Con. That's all. You can't help.

(emphasis added)

Further discussion is a waste of time. Lets move on, and celebrate the fact that Paizo is stepping up and providing us with Paizocon for free and in a manner that allows people to participate who otherwise couldn't participate.

For those of you who are having issues with pop-ups on Warhorn, tab 6 times, hit enter, and you're signed up.

I don't think anyone would mind if you leave the drop downs blank as long as your character is in level.

Just an FYI, this is what happens when one follows your advice:

https://youtu.be/DqG2ymixmvY

Apparently your text to speech program requires a tab into the pop-up, leaving you one field short of the Save option.

Looks like you were one tab short.

Trying myself without a screen reader it worked with 6 tabs. I think your screen reader software makes one extra tab necessary.

For those reading this thread and wondering who this outspoken person is, take my advice as someone who's played with them and don't feed the troll. They are argumentative, insulting and short tempered. I will never play at a table with them again until they've demonstrated some sort of anger management counseling and a willingness to make the same reasonable accommodations that their fellow gamers are willing to make for them.

Let's celebrate the positive and eschew the negative.

From the department of actually useful questions and the office of not reading before asking, are all games PFS only, or can I pop in with running a non-Society game? I'd set it for some reasonable Yurpeen time zoine :)

I assume that, just as with an in-person game, a GM may refuse "seating" a player who has demonstrated a history of unprovoked, foul-mouthed, angry tirades and insults?

I was scratching my head how I missed this until I saw the deleted comment. Now, I’ll sleep easier. :-)

Yes, online events generally follow the same code of conduct expectations as live events. We do not, and will not tolerate abusive, bad behavior at our events. There is a fine line between kicking a player and a GM bailing on a table and “history” can be a tricky thing when you’re dealing with thousands of players. As organizers, we tend to focus more on the present. In the case of bad behavior it would be more about what you are doing than what you have done in the past.

Technically speaking, a GM for PaizoCon Online does not have the authority to refuse to allow a player at their table. However, they obviously have the ability to chose not to run their table. There are a lot of factors that can come into play in these issues and we don’t want to take unwarranted action against anyone. The best course of action for a GM is, if they encounter someone, anyone really, who is violating the community behavior guidelines to notify the event organizers immediately. Ideally, we can help resolve the issue so everyone can move forward with the event and enjoy themselves. However, if that is not possible and someone continues to violate the guidelines, then we can not only take appropriate action in the moment, but also work to ensure it does not become an ongoing problem in the future. Banning someone from participation is very rare, but it does happen. I generally find that when we discuss the issue and defuse the immediate problem, a resolution is found and the problem does not persist.

Completely disagree that respect should be one-way here. The approach was all wrong. It wasn't posed as awareness of an issue. It was outrage in the form of a threat and looking for a fight. All attempts to understand and help with the issue were tacitly ignored. I can understand the frustration, but this is the wrong way to approach the issue. Threats over shutting down a fan-made free event should not be encouraged.

I hear you, which is why I didn't say anything about respect so you really aren't disagreeing with 'me' there.

It is the difference between courtesy and respect. I can be courteous without being disrespectful. And my courtesy doesn't have to depend on someone else's level of respect.

At least nobody can throw a pencil at me online...

From the department of actually useful questions and the office of not reading before asking, are all games PFS only, or can I pop in with running a non-Society game? I'd set it for some reasonable Yurpeen time zoine :)

People who had previously submitted one-off, custom or even 3PP events to Paizo for the live show are being given the opportunity to confirm those events for the online version of the convention. Other than those, we are not accepting unscheduled games at this time. We have built and are in the process of loading the official schedule into Warhorn. If this position changes we will announce it, but I would not expect it.

Gorbacz wrote:

From the department of actually useful questions and the office of not reading before asking, are all games PFS only, or can I pop in with running a non-Society game? I'd set it for some reasonable Yurpeen time zoine :)

People who had previously submitted one-off, custom or even 3PP events to Paizo for the live show are being given the opportunity to confirm those events for the online version of the convention. Other than those, we are not accepting unscheduled games at this time. We have built and are in the process of loading the official schedule into Warhorn. If this position changes we will announce it, but I would not expect it.

*kicks a tumbleweed*

Laarafel wrote:

Question: Since Warhorn and many other of these online venues are not entirely ADA compliant, how is Paizo going to make this Con accessible given that they are starting by making calls to GMs strictly through a non-ADA compliant venue?

Tonya Woldridge wrote:

Please send a message to paizocononline@paizo.com with how we can assist bridging the gap!... We are happy to assist, just need some guidance how!

TwilightKnight wrote:

In any case, I will reiterate, we are more than happy to work with any member of the community facing any challenges trying to participate in PaizoCon or any other event organized by our community members. I am certain that we can work with anyone interested to find a reasonable accommodation so that they can enjoy organized play events...

Laarafel wrote:

I didn't come here for help. I came here to inform you what is going to happen to Paizo and, potentially, this Con. That's all. You can't help.

(emphasis added)

Further discussion is a waste of time. Lets move on, and celebrate the fact that Paizo is stepping up and providing us with Paizocon for free and in a manner that allows people to participate who otherwise couldn't participate.

As stated before (that you clearly didn't read), I already sent emails to both customer service AND the paizocononline email address and the only response I received was from the customer service email stating that someone would get back to me from Paizo about the issue. Paizocononline hasn't responded at all (not even an automated response) -- which one would expect would be typical for such a big event.

Two: Tonya and the others who claim to be organizing this event say that they are willing to include, however, they also say that things will be done only through Warhorn AND in a first come, first seated manner. Now, if one cannot utilize Warhorn and one cannot (due to the current situation AND how Warhorn is set up) contact the event people or the GMs to get one's name added to the table or to GM, for example, before the table fills up because those individuals are indisposed, that lack of accessibility negatively impacts Disabled players and, unlike someone else's analogy of a broken door is neither temporary and unforeseeable prior to the event's planning. Doors break and, no, one does not close down an entire facility because of it; instead, one hires a repair crew to fix the door. However, if one is planning an event in a facility where one knows that there is no wheelchair accessibility, one is going to be held accountable for that lack of access whether that event was planned last minute or not. As the recent pandemic demonstrated to our state's various county board of elections, not being prepared and not knowing protocols, rules and legislation does not make one exempt from following those rules whether one is an employee of the county board of elections or merely a volunteer answering the phone.

And, for those who are not familiar, DOJ/OCR cases don't go to court; it is an investigative process. One files a claim, the DOJ does one of two things: either helps mediate a resolution or investigates the allegation and makes a determination; there is no court case, no lawsuit. If the DOJ investigates, they investigate however much or little they decide to do (they may limit themselves to strictly what is involved with your allegations or, if they find cause, go beyond the scope of your allegations, and investigate beyond the scope of your charges). The DOJ makes a decision not a courtroom/trial whether or not there is a violation of the law and, if so, what the entity must do to resolve the issue. And for anyone who wishes to know more, one really can look this stuff up on the DOJ website; it's all explained fairly well on their page.

I already sent emails to both customer service AND the paizocononline email address and the only response I received was from the customer service email stating that someone would get back to me from Paizo about the issue. Paizocononline hasn't responded at all (not even an automated response) -- which one would expect would be typical for such a big event.

Again, I will not speak for Paizo, only the OPF. This is why I added the contact points up thread. Not getting a response in less than 24 hours, and often in just a few, would be significantly atypical with respect to premier plus events as that is my general response times. Paizo has a business to run and sales is their primary function so it would not surprise me if their overworked, understaffed customer service department needs some time to deal with incoming communications. Community organizers often do not have this restriction and can be very responsive in much shorter windows. We will take your feedback on Warhorn into consideration for future events, but for this event, we will continue as planned.

...and the others who claim to be organizing this event say that they are willing to include, however, they also say that things will be done only through Warhorn AND in a first come, first seated manner. Now, if one cannot utilize Warhorn and one cannot (due to the current situation AND how Warhorn is set up) contact the...

We aren’t “claiming” to organize this event, we ARE organizing this event. The phrasing of your commentary suggest at minimum you don’t believe us, and at worst you are suggesting we are lying.

We create protocols and procedures based on maximizing our efficiency and generally meeting the needs of the widest possible audience. There is always going to be situations and individuals that require some separate and/or unique handling. We cannot plan for every possible contingency. The simple fact is the community volunteers in the OPF are extremely helpful and cooperative. As I stated before, I am not employed by, nor do I speak for Paizo Publishing, but I am not going to sit idly by and let you disparage the volunteer portion of this community. We work extremely hard, over long hours and with no salary to put these events together. Many of us spend as much time as a second job and often do not actually participate in the event because we are busy coordinating it. If you want to discuss how we can help you resolve any registration issues you might encounter, you have plenty of avenues through which to contact us. If you choose not to pursue those options, then clearly we cannot help you. But in either case, I request you separate your outrage and leave the Organized Play Foundation and it’s volunteer community alone.

Tonya and the others who claim to be organizing this event say that they are willing to include, however, they also say that things will be done only through Warhorn AND in a first come, first seated manner.

But not in the same breath, sentence, or post. You have decided that you cannot participate and cannot conceive of how Tonya or an event organizer can help you.

I can conceive of how they could accommodate you or anyone else in your situation to your satisfaction. I've seen others do it for other conventions. Other conventions with first come first serve policies.

The convention isn't even yet open but you've decided that you haven't heard back fast enough.

Now that you've threatened and/or filed a civil complaint, they can't contact you or do the things they could have done to assist you.

All you had to do was e-mail paizocononline@paizo.com (potentially again) and let them know what the problem was so they could help.

On top of that, a helpful bystander informed you of a solution to your problem and provided additional guidance when you had trouble implementing his solution.

And just because:

As stated before (that you clearly didn't read), I already sent emails to both customer service AND the paizocononline email address . . .

people connected to Paizo to not use Warhorn

Reviewing that, you didn't even ask for help using Warhorn, you told them to not use it--potentially suggesting the infeasible GoogleDocs that the PbP lodge uses. So Tonya invited you to contact them and let them know how they could accommodate you.

However, I found that I had glazed over your stated reason for posting, which was not to obtain accommodation:

[I] decided I'd let Paizo have the opportunity to be publicly humiliated and maybe, maybe come to the table and talk rather than dragged through that ringer.

You posted that 71 minutes after Tonya invited you to talk about how to help you.

You insulted her 13 minutes after she invited you to talk about how to help you.

This is actually one reason why the OPF was founded. Paizo ran into some legal trouble years ago operating as a for-profit company requesting volunteers in the state of Washington, where such volunteers are supposed to be compensated with wages.

As a non-profit, the OPF doesn't have that issue.

This is actually one reason why the OPF was founded. Paizo ran into some legal trouble years ago operating as a for-profit company requesting volunteers in the state of Washington, where such volunteers are supposed to be compensated with wages.

As a non-profit, the OPF doesn't have that issue.

Nefreet,

Wasn't this also tied into the WotC and MTG lawsuit that was very similar? That one was also tossed out of court or a ruling was made that was in favor of WotC. However, OPF continued to exist for organizing Org Play at the cons and stuff.

You are correct. OPF does not have that issue which is a major reason why it exists.

Nefreet wrote:

This is actually one reason why the OPF was founded. Paizo ran into some legal trouble years ago operating as a for-profit company requesting volunteers in the state of Washington, where such volunteers are supposed to be compensated with wages.

As a non-profit, the OPF doesn't have that issue.

Nefreet,

Wasn't this also tied into the WotC and MTG lawsuit that was very similar? That one was also tossed out of court or a ruling was made that was in favor of WotC. However, OPF continued to exist for organizing Org Play at the cons and stuff.

You are correct. OPF does not have that issue which is a major reason why it exists.

I know it happened with Emerald City ComiCon. IDK about WotC.

Started and stopped so many posts trying to adhere to my own standards.

Can't though.

Again, someone is bringing attention, rightfully so, to needed accommodations. And because someone who does not need those accommodations is taking issue with how they are presented you now have more walls and barriers than before.

Thank you Paizo and the OPF for acknowledging that there may be/is an issue that can be looked at. Thank you to the members of the community who understand that a life long battle of constantly running into brick walls can leave a person.... struggling and/or irritated with the situation.

Coming to the Forums 'only' to raise awareness, not looking for cherry picked solutions as an ad hoc need is acceptable. I am no white knight or defender, I have pissed alot of people off by failing to adhere to Wheaton's Law. But seriously guys, for being an inclusive group I see alot of walls and shields being thrown up.

I've never used Warhorn and I wouldn't know there is an issue with it's use as I don't have the limitations/needs someone else may have. It is good to bring them to the public and when you are looking for an acknowledgement and not a solution and someone provides a solution and not an acknowledgement then I don't blame you for getting frustrated.

I don't see one person with a grudge against Paizo. I see someone who, when they try to state an issue are repeatedly told it isn't an issue or told a work around to the issue. Which is not what someone may want or need.

No, one person with a grudge.

But a positive has been found, (in that eventually) the issue that was had with Warhorn was revealed and is being addressed so that users in the future can be rightfully accommodated and make use of the system with little to no issue ^w^

Yes. I have played with a sight-impaired person at a table organized in Warhorn, and it was an enjoyable experience without significant disruption. It is unfortunate that the player may have had some issues with the signup; it would be good to resolve any potential problems, and for the community to know that there IS an issue, going forward.

The issue being discussed is not problematic because it is bringing up an issue that isn't real or serious, it's problematic because the aggrieved party is not willing to accept anything less than complete and immediate capitulation with a side order of "I made the call to shut you down before I even came here to taunt you," which is not how the ADA works.

Also making "blind eye" jokes is gross, folks. Stop it.

Are multiple GMs allowed to sign up to run for the same scenario come May 1st, as in will there be multiple tables of the same scenario being run? I want my hands on Mistress of the Maze like you wouldn’t believe, but others have likewise expressed interest in running that scenario.

Are multiple GMs allowed to sign up to run for the same scenario come May 1st, as in will there be multiple tables of the same scenario being run? I want my hands on Mistress of the Maze like you wouldn’t believe, but others have likewise expressed interest in running that scenario.

Assume there will be multiple - but limited. I would assume some of the latest will be offered at least 10 times - possibly a lot more. But I guess there will be a limit to ensure there is a wide variety of tables on offer.

Coming to the Forums 'only' to raise awareness, not looking for cherry picked solutions as an ad hoc need is acceptable. I am no white knight or defender, I have pissed alot of people off by failing to adhere to Wheaton's Law. But seriously guys, for being an inclusive group I see alot of walls and shields being thrown up.

Let's just say there is a history. People have tried to be helpful on some of the play-by-post forums and her response with people struggling to learn how to help her cope has been less than patient and understanding. Other people with similar disabilities who may have been better equipped over the average GM tried to help and were treated rudely.

I get that it is frustrating. But people were honestly trying to be helpful. When she posted the video explaining the situation with signing up on Warhorn it actually helped immensely. People without a screen reader would have had no way of knowing an extra tab was needed. But this back and forth is needed in order for use to assist.

Does Warhorn have issues, around ADA compliance? Sure, but because Warhorn has fewer than 15 employees it is exempt from meeting ADA requirements. We can't force them to become compliant as long as the law doesn't cover them. There aren't a whole lot of options that I am aware of. Use of Warhorn is near universal as far as my experience goes. I know of one convention that uses Tabletop Events, but they seem mostly geared towards meatspace conventions. Paizo isn't going to have the ability to roll its own registration system in a short amount of time, nor did it ever feel the need to.

Yoshua wrote:

Coming to the Forums 'only' to raise awareness, not looking for cherry picked solutions as an ad hoc need is acceptable. I am no white knight or defender, I have pissed alot of people off by failing to adhere to Wheaton's Law. But seriously guys, for being an inclusive group I see alot of walls and shields being thrown up.

Let's just say there is a history. People have tried to be helpful on some of the play-by-post forums and her response with people struggling to learn how to help her cope has been less than patient and understanding. Other people with similar disabilities who may have been better equipped over the average GM tried to help and were treated rudely.

I get that it is frustrating. But people were honestly trying to be helpful. When she posted the video explaining the situation with signing up on Warhorn it actually helped immensely. People without a screen reader would have had no way of knowing an extra tab was needed. But this back and forth is needed in order for use to assist.

Does Warhorn have issues, around ADA compliance? Sure, but because Warhorn has fewer than 15 employees it is exempt from meeting ADA requirements. We can't force them to become compliant as long as the law doesn't cover them. There aren't a whole lot of options that I am aware of. Use of Warhorn is near universal as far as my experience goes. I know of one convention that uses Tabletop Events, but they seem mostly geared towards meatspace conventions. Paizo isn't going to have the ability to roll its own registration system in a short amount of time, nor did it ever feel the need to.

Good to know, thanks for the top insight, but it really doesn't change the fact. If we remove the previous angst it is still a valid issue to bring up.

Again, I am all for the solutions that the people running the CON has come up with for a short term solution. But I am not the target audience there.

Remove the personalities all the way around and it is still an issue, and as a father of a child with special needs I appreciate what OPF has laid out for what they can do with quick answers to a real issue.

But longer term solutions can and should be looked into too, and again I am not the target audience.

Yoshua, I agree with you, but the alternate solutions aren't something that can happen in time for this convention and it appears that's what the demand is.

The Google sheets that were put together for handling play-by-post registration for our conventions had a lot of work put into them as we needed to automate some tasks. It was not thrown together in a few hours. It actually took several weeks of my free time to put them together.

They were looking for Paizo, not another forum member, to come to the table.

Except that the OPF did come to the table and they got insulted for their effort.

You cannot start a fight in public with the stated intention of humiliating the other party and expect the public to ignore it. In fact, given that the stated point was public humilation, then the point was for it to not be ignored.

I don't see someone who, 71 minutes after being offered a line of communication to help, states that their intent was to "let Paizo have the opportunity to be publicly humiliated" as someone trying to state an issue in good faith.

Yoshua, I agree with you, but the alternate solutions aren't something that can happen in time for this convention and it appears that's what the demand is.

The Google sheets that were put together for handling play-by-post registration for our conventions had a lot of work put into them as we needed to automate some tasks. It was not thrown together in a few hours. It actually took several weeks of my free time to put them together.

I believe you, not getting grief from me. Just saying that the grief that they are receiving is going to be counter productive. As Dracomicron pointed out, the jokes are gross, and in my personal opinion is if you can't build a bridge when someone is asking for assistance? Walk away because the wall you throw up just damages a community.

Appreciate any efforts people put in to make the magic happen. Really do. The only point I am bringing up is the sarcasm/shade that is thrown isn't needed and is not productive. I hear ya.

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They were looking for Paizo, not another forum member, to come to the table.

Except that the OPF did come to the table and they got insulted for their effort.

You cannot start a fight in public with the stated intention of humiliating the other party and expect the public to ignore it. In fact, given that the stated point was public humilation, then the point was for it to not be ignored.

I don't see someone who, 71 minutes after being offered a line of communication to help, states that their intent was to "let Paizo have the opportunity to be publicly humiliated" as someone trying to state an issue in good faith.

Want to walk away. Probably should.

Ok, I hear you. You are not wrong.

All of that being said we have not walked a mile in their shoes or know their frustration when they run into an issue that they feel is being dismissed.

They stated an issue and answered questions while frustrated. We all have at some point done the same. But even though we have done the same we haven't done the same on this specific issue, after experiencing the frustration first hand.

I hope I am being clear. Again, you are not wrong. I am not disagreeing with your sentiment. I am disagreeing with the back lash when a few words could have been ignored and solutions worked on. Bridges or Walls. we choose.

I don't agree with the jokes either, but I'm not a forum moderator, so I can't do anything about it other than report them like anyone else can.

I think it would be best to move the conversation about accessibility to its own specific thread. Discussion about accessibility is a valid and important one, if there isn't an existing thread about this, I think this topic would be best served by having a thread dedicated to it specifically rather than continue trying to share the spotlight with this one. If one is started, it can be linked in this thread to point people to that direction.

In the meantime, please remember to be gracious with other community members.

Gnollvalue wrote:

For those of you who are having issues with pop-ups on Warhorn, tab 6 times, hit enter, and you're signed up.

I don't think anyone would mind if you leave the drop downs blank as long as your character is in level.

Just an FYI, this is what happens when one follows your advice:

https://youtu.be/DqG2ymixmvY

Hey! I am sorry the sign up page was not set up to be able to allow you to join in on my table of 1-14. I admittedly am rather oblivious to which companies are completely accessible, and I think that is why it is important that you have brought this to the attention of Warhorn. I sincerely hope that more companies are able to continue to take steps to be more inclusive to all people. We must conscientiously work to educate ourselves on the experiences of others. Also, I would like to offer to run a session of 1-14 with you if you would like to set one up, we can find a contact route that is easiest if so. I hope that you are able to sign up for tables on Warhorn soon, and I know that there are countless individuals, myself included, that would be happy to assist if possible in the mean time. I hope you have a good day, I will check back on the forums if private messages are difficult to access. -Nicole

Count me interested in GMing at least one session. Is this PFS play only? 2E only? I am relatively new to 2E and new to Roll20 and it has been a few years since I was a Venture Captain, so I’d need to get up speed on the new PFS expectations, but this could be fun. Should I purchase a 2E PFS scenario or will there be any free ones I can run?

Maybe I should have some fun and run my absolutely favorite PF 1E PFS scenario converted to PF2E, Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment. Obviously, not valid as PFS.

Guess I’m asking what is my flexibility as a GM for this CON? 5E?

Count me interested in GMing at least one session. Is this PFS play only? 2E only? I am relatively new to 2E and new to Roll20 and it has been a few years since I was a Venture Captain, so I’d need to get up speed on the new PFS expectations, but this could be fun. Should I purchase a 2E PFS scenario or will there be any free ones I can run?

Maybe I should have some fun and run my absolutely favorite PF 1E PFS scenario converted to PF2E, Temple of Empyreal Enlightenment. Obviously, not valid as PFS.

Guess I’m asking what is my flexibility as a GM for this CON? 5E?

I would hope they include some of the more popular PFS scenarios, we are still running PFS in my groups. I would think that most of the convention would be PFS2 and SFS.