FAQ on Errata

So let it begin anew...

The Pathfinder Society team has already gone through the Ultimate Combat errata and written up any special rebuilding actions to be taken. If you have any questions regarding how this impacts the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild organized play campaign in particular, please do so in that thread.

nice 1 hour before my game tonight. Lets see if my char is still legal.

Litany of Righteousness nerfed and cost of communal stoneskin brought in line with the base spell. A good day for GMs.

I fully endorse this, I do hope the new Ultimate Combat printing comes with Unchained Monk archetype adaptation stuff though.

Also, I really hope I find duration scaling for the Archaeologist's Luck feature...

RIP Gunslinger 6-20, no reason to ever even think about taking those levels.

Also, was it intended for the double musket to be the only double-barreled weapon change, or was that an oversight.

I'm confused. Water Walk is cleric 3 and ranger 3, but the errata changes Water Walk, Communal to cleric 2 and ranger 2???

Is there CRB errata that isn't on the PRD yet?

RIP Gunslinger 6-20, no reason to ever even think about taking those levels.

Because...?

Oh hey, thanks for finally errata'ing rapid reload as it relates to advanced firearms! Finally, their action economy is better than early firearms, as it should be! Nice trick making firing both barrels specifically a standard action. As an avid shooter, I can attest to both barrels being shot together continuously as being stupid, and admittedly appreciate the reduction there.

Calth wrote:

RIP Gunslinger 6-20, no reason to ever even think about taking those levels.

Because...?

Deeds generally are bad/worthless and the best feature above 5 was no misfire cause it freed up weapon enchants. And pisteleros needed 11 for Signature deed for Up Close and Deadly, but that's moot now.

I'm confused. Water Walk is cleric 3 and ranger 3, but the errata changes Water Walk, Communal to cleric 2 and ranger 2???

Is there CRB errata that isn't on the PRD yet?

Communal water walk is actually weaker than the base spell. The base spell affects one person per level for the full duration while communal forces you to split it.

Edit: Ninja master!

I'm confused. Water Walk is cleric 3 and ranger 3, but the errata changes Water Walk, Communal to cleric 2 and ranger 2???

Is there CRB errata that isn't on the PRD yet?

Communal water walk is actually a weaker spell than water walk, in most cases. Water walk lets 1 creature/level walk on water for 10 min/level. Communal water walk divides the 10 min/level duration among the creatures you affect with the spell. The errata adjusts the communal spell's level accordingly.

Edit: Ninja'ed

I'm confused. Water Walk is cleric 3 and ranger 3, but the errata changes Water Walk, Communal to cleric 2 and ranger 2???

Is there CRB errata that isn't on the PRD yet?

Hi there ZZTRaider!

Normally communal spells are 1 level higher because they split the duration but allow splitting a single target spell (the result is almost always an extremely powerful spell for its level, but that's a digression). Water walk already targeted multiple creatures and does not require dividing duration. So Communal water walk is just a worse version of water walk, and as a non-single-target spell, it shouldn't have received a communal version. Since removing the spell entirely would throw off lots of other things, our solution was to make it lower level instead, to reflect the fact that it is less powerful.

EDIT: It would seem that Berinor has ninjaed Linda, who has ninjaed us. They are both correct.

There is no fear in this dojo.

You guys nerfed sap adept? Really?

a MINUS SIX penalty for using a large two handed weapon???

Wow, rip dipping in manuever master

Myrmadarch still cannot use spell combat with ranged weapons, is that intentionaL? It makes the archetype mostly useless

lol rapid grappler nerfs, grappling op.

wowow eastern armor nerfs, Western armor best armor

Abundant ammunition: abundant for ONLY IRON. because that makes total sense(?)

Big nerf to Abundant Ammunition. No more using it with ammo made of special materials.

RIP Gunslinger 6-20, no reason to ever even think about taking those levels.

Also, was it intended for the double musket to be the only double-barreled weapon change, or was that an oversight.

Yeah, really confused about this myself. Looks like double-barreled pistols and shotguns still work according to the original text, effectively doing double damage all the time. Errata the errata?

I'm not sure I understand the change to the Myrmidarch. Does this mean that they still do not have access to Spell Combat with ranged weapons, but have a minor workaround at 11th level?

I am heartened by the existence of these documents.

Do these changes to the double musket also affect the double shotgun and pistol? There were no changes to its text in the errata, but I'm not sure if that was intentional.

So wait what was the change to Musketeer and Pistolero? The no misfire was removed? Was it replaced with anything, or just removed completely?

EDIT: OH they just removed stacking with magic items from musketeer... okay. I'm cool with that! :D Then as for the Up Close and Deadly change, while I'm not 100% cool with it as a player, I understand the decision as a GM.

the good thing is that rogues now can take master tricks

Hmm. Crane Wing v.4 (in this errata) isn't the same as v.3 (in the FAQ post second printing):

Update: Page 93 in the Crane Wing feat, in the first sentence after "you can designate” replace the rest of the sentence with “a single opponent you can see”. In the second sentence change “+4” to “+2” and “attack” to “opponent for one round”.

These changes will be reflected in the next errata.

Notably, this means attack sequences on a character using Crane Wing now need to be rolled one at a time, as each attack can potentially alter the target's AC against subsequent ones. Previously this was not the case.

Also, the new errata doesn't have the FAQ's clarification of Crane Riposte (that it allows an AoO specifically even though that's not normally possible while using total defense.)

Let's see what the damage was.

Ghost Rager was changed...and I think Buffed for anyone not using the human Superstition FCB (or Superstition at all). Neat.

Titan Mauler finally fixed. Well, sort of.

Controlled Rage finally clarified.

Solid Errata so far.

Myrmidarch works now, I think? Coolio.

Master of Many Styles changes...I was expecting to say I'm 60000% done at this point, but it seems solid. I expected the ignoring of prerequisites to be removed, but this is just a straight buff. You have put me in a very, very good mood.

Terrain mastery makes me kind of sad...mostly because if it had worked this way before, my Slayer probably would have considered not multiclassing Horizon Walker and just staying straight Slayer and nabbing a bunch of Terrain Masteries.

Hard Minded is pretty solid, and the addition of Master Ninja Tricks as an option to the Unchained Rogue is intriguing. Rogue made out like a bandit (hue hue hue) so far.

Why did Moonlight Stalker, Rapid Grappler, Sap Adept, and Sneaking Precision need nerfing?

MAJOR buff to Communal Water Walk. Neato.

Decent errata, all in all, though those 4 Feats still have me scratching my head as to why.

Of course I could care less about anything but the MoMS buff. =p

So wait what was the change to Pistolero? The no misfire was removed? Was it replaced with anything, or just removed completely?

EDIT: OH they just removed stacking with magic items... okay. I'm cool with that! :D

No, it was completely removed. The stacking was for Musketeer a different archetype. Also Up Close and Deadly cant have its grit cost reduced.

Will we be now seeing more Raging Gunslingers with Vital Strike/Furious Finish with double barrel muskets?

So Communal water walk is just a worse version of water walk, and as a non-single-target spell, it shouldn't have received a communal version.

Ah, that makes sense. I missed that in a quick reading, and admittedly made an assumption based on the existence of the Communal version. Thanks for the clarification!

I have to say that that the alteration to the Abundant Ammunition spell is a welcome one as that stops players from using it and weapon blanches to get more than their ten shots. A very good change!

Zelda Marie Lupescu wrote:

So wait what was the change to Pistolero? The no misfire was removed? Was it replaced with anything, or just removed completely?

EDIT: OH they just removed stacking with magic items... okay. I'm cool with that! :D

No, it was completely removed. The stacking was for Musketeer a different archetype. Also Up Close and Deadly cant have its grit cost reduced.

Ah, okay yeah I didn't download the entire book yet, just the errata so "remove the last sentence doesn't mean much lol"

What about another printing of the Advanced Players Guide. I know you cannot discuss next printings but I would like to point out that it's been nearly 5 years since it's seen an update.

I have to say that that the alteration to the Abundant Ammunition spell is a welcome one as that stops players from using it and weapon blanches to get more than their ten shots. A very good change!

Our Bard may be sad though.

Master of Many Styles changes...I was expecting to say I'm 60000% done at this point, but it seems solid. I expected the ignoring of prerequisites to be removed, but this is just a straight buff. You have put me in a very, very good mood

Just saw this, and went to see if you'd seen it yet. Very nicely done, making you the Brawler of style feats.

Will we be now seeing more Raging Gunslingers with Vital Strike/Furious Finish with double barrel muskets?

If firing both is now a standard action, and Vital Strike is a standard action, then no, for the same reason we don't see vital striking cleave builds. They don't work.

Why did Moonlight Stalker, Rapid Grappler, Sap Adept, and Sneaking Precision need nerfing?

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Decent errata, all in all, though those 4 Feats still have me scratching my head as to why.

My guess is that Moonlight Stalker Feint was always intended to require Improved Feint, but it is unfortunate, since it already has a lot of requirements and feinting is hard to do well anyway. I'm assuming similar for Improved Two-Weapon Feint.

Rapid Grappler and Sap Adept are minor nerfs, but I agree they seems unnecessary.

Sneaking Precision is almost certainly to prevent people from dipping one level into Rogue just to apply critical feats more easily... But requiring 6d6 sneak attack seems kind of overboard. Given how high level you need to be to get the critical feats to begin with, I feel like even 3d6 would've been plenty, and would've let the Slayer actually use the feat before 19th level.

Cao Phen wrote:

Will we be now seeing more Raging Gunslingers with Vital Strike/Furious Finish with double barrel muskets?

If firing both is now a standard action, and Vital Strike is a standard action, then no, for the same reason we don't see vital striking cleave builds. They don't work.

The errata specifically calls out that the standard action is an attack action.

Cao Phen wrote:

Will we be now seeing more Raging Gunslingers with Vital Strike/Furious Finish with double barrel muskets?

If firing both is now a standard action, and Vital Strike is a standard action, then no, for the same reason we don't see vital striking cleave builds. They don't work.

The errata specifies that the double-fire action is the attack action, so it works with Vital Strike.

Edit: Ninjad

I am slightly annoyed that (Animal) Shamans now use up woodland stride. Only because I wanted to combine one with terrain archetype. Grumble, grumble, oh well.

Buff to MoMS! Awesome! That archetype is finally useful for more than a dip!

Ghost Ranger changed to avoid the Superstition bonus... Okay, I guess. Don't really mind either way.

Urban Barbarian was clarified. Okay.

I suppose Sap Adept could be a bit too powerful considering the Rogue buffs in Unchained, but why the hell nerf to Moonlight Stalker, Rapid Grappler and Sneaking Precision?

Eh... Overall a decent errata. Good work, Paizo.

In the Final Embrace feat, in the Prerequisites entry, after “special attack” add “as a racial ability”.

My already-sad Unchained Protean Eidolon is made more sad by this. Enlarge Person for every combat it is!

Gabriel Cantrell wrote:

I have to say that that the alteration to the Abundant Ammunition spell is a welcome one as that stops players from using it and weapon blanches to get more than their ten shots. A very good change!

Our Bard may be sad though.

The sad bard then can play a funeral dirge next time for his Inspire Courage Bardic Performance~

But in all honesty it was a needed edit as that was a loophole allowing a someone with a large number of attacks per round to use a blanch for FAR more than the 10 shots it was meant for. Honestly the only other patch for that would be to make the weapon blanch to be a LOT more costly.

Eh, Kikko armor probably isn't worth it anymore, but it was fun while it lasted.

Touch Injection is fixed! You can still slap somebody with Skinsend; it's just an S.o.S. now.

I really wanted to rage about the Sap Adept change. But you know what? The feat is kind of dumb and gimmicky. You can deal an immense amount of damage with it when combined with Knockout Artist and balancing it requires the DM to kind of just throw non-lethal ignoring enemies at you.

Still, sad. Rogue can use all the help it can get in my honest opinion, but a single feat chain requiring non-lethal damage is not the way.

Sad about the Sneaking Precision change. Really, I feel it should be 3d6, as mentioned above.

Final Embrace nerf is frustrating, too. I was cooking up some theories around it that have been shot down. Ah well.

The Moonlight Stalker change feels like it was not needed. Even if it was intended to require it, I think it was an intent that could change without being terribly confusing. As for the Improved Two-Weapon Feint, I'm less surprised. I won't lie, I am significantly less likely to consider an already unlikely feat but it doesn't make too much sense not requiring Two-Weapon Feint.

Rynjin wrote:

Master of Many Styles changes...I was expecting to say I'm 60000% done at this point, but it seems solid. I expected the ignoring of prerequisites to be removed, but this is just a straight buff. You have put me in a very, very good mood

Just saw this, and went to see if you'd seen it yet. Very nicely done, making you the Brawler of style feats.

Note that it isn't a straight buff. The class is not nearly as attractive for dipping as you can only get the base feats of a style without prerequisites; the follow-up feats are not covered.

The master of many styles is much better now for people that actually stick to the class; while also keeping sensible level progression balance - no longer can you get feats at level 2 that were intended for level 9 play.

Calth wrote:

RIP Gunslinger 6-20, no reason to ever even think about taking those levels.

Also, was it intended for the double musket to be the only double-barreled weapon change, or was that an oversight.

Yeah, really confused about this myself. Looks like double-barreled pistols and shotguns still work according to the original text, effectively doing double damage all the time. Errata the errata?

FAQed! Thanks for pointing that out.

QuidEst wrote:

Rynjin wrote:

Master of Many Styles changes...I was expecting to say I'm 60000% done at this point, but it seems solid. I expected the ignoring of prerequisites to be removed, but this is just a straight buff. You have put me in a very, very good mood

Just saw this, and went to see if you'd seen it yet. Very nicely done, making you the Brawler of style feats.

Note that it isn't a straight buff. The class is not nearly as attractive for dipping as you can only get the base feats of a style without prerequisites; the follow-up feats are not covered.

The master of many styles is much better now for people that actually stick to the class; while also keeping sensible level progression balance - no longer can you get feats at level 2 that were intended for level 9 play.

Ah, you are right. Good catch.

Raisse wrote:

Calth wrote:

RIP Gunslinger 6-20, no reason to ever even think about taking those levels.

Also, was it intended for the double musket to be the only double-barreled weapon change, or was that an oversight.

Yeah, really confused about this myself. Looks like double-barreled pistols and shotguns still work according to the original text, effectively doing double damage all the time. Errata the errata?

FAQed! Thanks for pointing that out.

How does the new system interact with Vital Strike? Can it be used with a double shot from a double musket now?

Please do address the lack of additional rounds on Archaeologist's Luck (for the Archaeologist Bard archetype). It currently gains no extra rounds as it levels.

The archaeologist is not intended to gain additional rounds of its luck ability as it levels. It receives a number of other abilities to balance out the loss of bardic performance.

are PDFs automatically updated?