Lost Lands

Game Master Edeldhur

Gubble: what a name.

Gubble: what a name.

Lol! I know, right?! Leave it to our good buddy Johnny G to come up with that one. Lol!

It really is quite fitting for him to throw something like that out there. I love it. :)

Jalros

I think he's pretty much done.

I love the background!

Lol! Thanks! I had some fun with that one. :)

@Everyone: unfortunately I have some bad news - Wabbit will not be joining us after all, so the group is now down to five members. I will try to find us another 6th.

That is unfortunate. I was looking forward to continue gaming with him. Hope everything is okay.

All is good, we had some ‘creative’ differences regarding the build and power level of his character. But we agreed to disagree, and no harm done. I am sure there will be other opportunities for us to play together :)

I am looking for another to fill his spot, as I really want to try this one with 6 players.

I think Hamish is all ready to go.

For connecting with some of the other PC's it seems highly likely that if Naomi's parents run/work at an inn along the Great Amrin River or in the Stoneheart Valley, he would have met them during his time in the Riverguard. I'm thinking he would often look the other way on certain duty taxes for various trade goods bought and sold at the inn (especially his favorite, Stoneheart Special Reserve Whiskey) in exchange for a free room and meal.

Would have been easy enough to meet a ruin investigating on the road or river as well. Could be he was part of a small patrol that helped Gubble out of a sticky situation at some point. The two stayed in touch afterwards as Hamish was often encountering new ruins during his various patrols and wanderings along the Armin, the Graywash and the Stoneheart Forest.

Alas, but good that you were honest with each other from the beginning.

Personally, I would not mind having 5 instead of 6. Just my preference anyway.

Going to put up some more character info later today. I suppose now is not a bad time to make an alias.

I think Hamish is all ready to go.

For connecting with some of the other PC's it seems highly likely that if Naomi's parents run/work at an inn along the Great Amrin River or in the Stoneheart Valley, he would have met them during his time in the Riverguard. I'm thinking he would often look the other way on certain duty taxes for various trade goods bought and sold at the inn (especially his favorite, Stoneheart Special Reserve Whiskey) in exchange for a free room and meal.

Would have been easy enough to meet a ruin investigating on the road or river as well. Could be he was part of a small patrol that helped Gubble out of a sticky situation at some point. The two stayed in touch afterwards as Hamish was often encountering new ruins during his various patrols and wanderings along the Armin, the Graywash and the Stoneheart Forest.

Looks good Hamish, and some nice possible hooks with the others ;)

First of all, Hamish nice backstory.

I think Hamish is all ready to go.

For connecting with some of the other PC's it seems highly likely that if Naomi's parents run/work at an inn along the Great Amrin River or in the Stoneheart Valley.

So some changes. They don't run/own an inn, her father is a performer in Bard's Gate. She and her sister perform with him. She plays the lute. Maybe he's a regular at one of the bars?

I'll finish her backstory tomorrow morning.

@Everyone: unfortunately I have some bad news - Wabbit will not be joining us after all, so the group is now down to five members. I will try to find us another 6th.

I was wondering how the 'shield conversation' would go. Sad to hear it couldn't work out. I'm ok with five or six, if it's your preference.

So, we have a brawler, a swashbuckler, a druid, a wizard and an oracle. Plenty of communication skills, good on knowledge, three full casters, we don't have a tank, or much ranged. If we bring in a sixth, let's see what they want to build before we lock everything in. yeah, I'm a big fan of covering all the bases.

Dangit. Man I hate to see Wabbit leave. Dang. Sorry to hear that.

And 5 or 6 is cool. Doesn't matter to me.

So, we have a brawler, a swashbuckler, a druid, a wizard and an oracle. Plenty of communication skills, good on knowledge, three full casters, we don't have a tank, or much ranged. If we bring in a sixth, let's see what they want to build before we lock everything in. yeah, I'm a big fan of covering all the bases.

I know exactly which class I think would complement your group, but I will keep those thoughts to myself :P

@Robert: Soooo, if you had to choose between the tank and ranged, which one would you roll with? Now me personally? I'm torn. That's a tough one.

Got the mechanics done for Gubble, just not much of backstory or nice bits of fluff.

So my first proposal Grym didn't work out.

I've had time to think about it and I have one more character build that I've been trying to find a home for

I don't have high hopes that he'll be acceptable. But as this is a stellar group I am sure I'll regret it if I don't at least try one more time submit a character to play with you all.

Details incoming...

Human

1)Rondelero (Falcata)Swashbuckler 1
Racial Bonus Feat (Focused Study): Survival (pre-req for Eldritch Heritage)
Feat:

2)Brawler

3)Brawler
Feat:

Bonus Feat: Power Attack

4)Paladin (flavor his bloodline starts expressing itself with Holy warrior lvls)

5)paladin
feat: Improved Shield Bash

6)paladin

7) Rondelero Swash 2
class ability allows Rondeleros to shield bash with their bucklers
Feat: Shield Slam

8) Rondelero Swash 3
Racial Bonus feat (Focused Study) Skill Focus Intimidate

9)Rondelero 4
Feat Improved Crit Falcata
Bonus Feat: Improved Crit

10)Rondelero 5
Bonus Feat: Improved TWF

11)Rondelero 6
Feat Improved Eldritch Heritage=+2 Inherent Bonus to Str, increases to +4 at 15, +6 at 19th
Bonus feat: Shieldmaster

12)Id Rager 1 (I think its cool when Paladins Rage while fighting evil)
Skill Focus Diplomacy

13) Drill Sergeant Fighter
F: Combat Stamina
BF: Bashing Finish

14) Fighter 2
BF Combat Reflexes
BF Seize the Moment

15)Fighter 3
F: Critical Versatility

16) Fighter 4
Bonus Feat: ?
(Focused Study) ?

17) Fighter 5
Feat Greater ELdritch Heritage

This guy is a Holy Warrior. Through his ancient bloodline and this expresses itself as he gains experience. He is not trained as a Paladin. He doesn't no where the abilities come from but he finds himself inexorably drawn to an ancient faith (maybe Thyr, Arden, Mitra?)

His trick in combat is Shieldbashing (ShieldSlam bullrush) with his buckler and then attacking at range with his

He becomes a Holy Warrior tank that has a small pool of Rage. Wears heavy armor, can toss his Sharding Falcata a short-range, Str-based shield bashing Rondelero Swashbuckler. And is able to Intimidate, as any good Holy warrior should be able to scare bad guys.

I'm sure you won't like him. But I had to try again as this group of players looks very solid and could possibly have a chance of making this a long-term successful campaign, which we all know would be a unicorn on these boards.

Dude, got ninja'd by WabbitHuntr

@Robert: Soooo, if you had to choose between the tank and ranged, which one would you roll with? Now me personally? I'm torn. That's a tough one.

I'm playing two paladins and two cavaliers that match the 'tank' description. I've played one Paladin that was 'ranged build' and I found him terribly boring. I also play a lot of rager's (barbarian/bloodrager) and switch hitters (rangers/slayers).

As an aside, in a perfect world we'd have someone that could use the magical items we pick up, so we wouldn't have to sell them at half price. That's why I rarely specialize in a weapon that isn't fairly common. So, my frugal side would want someone who could wear plate armor in the group.

But the deciding factor would be what kind of character was posted. Then I would see if any of the characters I have dormant would fit the need well. If not I'd stick with Naomi.

Good to see WabbitHuntr back in the conversation. I'd like to see what he has in mind. Hey WH, if your thinking a caster, I'm happy to let you have that slot.

Edit: It doesn't look like he's going 'caster.'

If at first you don't succeed, try try again :)

Dude, got ninja'd by WabbitHuntr

Javell DeLeon wrote:

@Robert: Soooo, if you had to choose between the tank and ranged, which one would you roll with? Now me personally? I'm torn. That's a tough one.

I'm playing two paladins and two cavaliers that match the 'tank' description. I've played one Paladin that was 'ranged build' and I found him terribly boring. I also play a lot of rager's (barbarian/bloodrager) and switch hitters (rangers/slayers).

As an aside, in a perfect world we'd have someone that could use the magical items we pick up, so we wouldn't have to sell them at half price. That's why I rarely specialize in a weapon that isn't fairly common. So, my frugal side would want someone who could wear plate armor in the group.

But the deciding factor would be what kind of character was posted. Then I would see if any of the characters I have dormant would fit the need well. If not I'd stick with Naomi.

Good to see WabbitHuntr back in the conversation. I'd like to see what he has in mind. He WH, if your thinking a caster, I'm happy to let you have that slot.

"I found him terribly boring","want someone who could wear plate armor in the group."

With a Belt of Mighty Hurling his range increment with his Sharding Falcata would be 20ft. So he will add some ranged capability. NOTHING like an archer would though.

"Good to see WabbitHuntr back in the conversation."
I may not be here for long :( Unfortunately what I find interesting tends to set off alarm bells for GM. And that's his prerogative. I just simply can't force myself to submit a normal build as any of you that have played with me before well know lol

My last what some would call multiclass monstrosity was Wabbit (vexing dodger/mouser/raging paladin) and I absolutely LOVED him. So sad to see that game with his cousin John G's Cleo come to an end.

LOL, you and I may have a different definition of 'boring' :)

I was playing a Divine Hunter of Shelyn (you should read his background, it's one of my best) Great with the bow, very average with the simitar, later played him out of PFS as an Inquisitor. Still boring.

I didn't say he wasn't good at what he did. I just found standing back shooting stuff, then needing to step back out of melee, boring. If I think ranged skills are needed (which is still up for debate in my mind) I'll go with a switch hitter that also offers more skills.

My question for your posted build, the Falcata (an exotic weapon and probably rarer in the lost lands, an Iron age civilization) would need to be "modified" by a smith with skill greater than it would take to make an exotic weapon. What are the odds that such a smith exists outside of a dwarven mountain somewhere?

Bards Gate or any major city should have smiths with this capability. The skill to craft would be less than the skill needed to make a weapon capable of being enchanted.

And I have really no knowledge of the setting so I don't know how common Falcatas would be

Versatile design adds +500
Masterwork adds +300

So yeah...I won't have this weapon from lvl 1 and will need to delay Brawler lvl 2 til later in the build when he has more wealth.

Instead of starting with the Weapon adept feat at lvl 1 he will delay that til later and will have Power Attack as his lvl 1 feat.

Got the mechanics done for Gubble, just not much of backstory or nice bits of fluff.

Looking good John! Just make sure to note the spells in your spellbook. In the Lost Lands, finding new spells is a 'whole thing' ;)

Human

1)Rondelero (Falcata)Swashbuckler 1
Racial Bonus Feat (Focused Study): Survival (pre-req for Eldritch Heritage)
Feat: ** spoiler omitted **
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Yeah Wabbit, those alarm bells are definitely going off again with the build you submitted :P

In any case, I am not going to voice my concerns any further - I think you know what they are, we have definitely debated them extensively. So I will trust you not to purposefully break the game. Please feel free to submit your character, and I will go over it as time permits.

[Note on the build: I am not using Occult, so Id Rager is a no. But that is way down the line, and may never be relevant. Multiclassing with 5 different classes: Please remember that I pointed out dipping a class in some cases might prove more complex than simply saying 'I dip class X'. There will need to be game and story elements conducive to it. Paladin jumps out at me as one such obvious case. Becoming a Paladin is supposed to be a huge event in one's life, and in the story I feel like opportunities will present themselves for it, but they may take time to become a reality, and may have to develop over the course of more than one level).

[Note on Exotic equipment: they are supposed to be foreign/unusual, and usually harder to find (though not impossible of course)].

There is only one issue I will have to share with you for the sake of clarity and disclosure - since I was under the impression you were not interested in playing anymore, I did reach out to someone else to join us (have not yet received a reply). But if this person accepts, he will probably get your spot.

Just wanted to give you a heads' up on that. Hope I am not being unfair or anything :/

Simple basic submission to avoid spending more time on what appears likely to be a fruitless endeavor :( wish I had herolab to effortlessly pump out characters

human
str 18
dex 14
con 14
int 10
wis 8
cha 15

Rondelero swashbuckler 1
armor prof light
falcata prof
swashbuckler deeds notably parry and riposte
panache 2

Feats
Skill focus Survival
Feat Power Attack

equipment
studded leather +3ac
falcata
buckler +1ac

fort +2
ref +4
wis -1

ac 16

melee +5 1d8+4 19-20/x3

@WH: You could always roll with Bloodrager instead of Id Rager. You know, I've never even heard of Id Rager. Of course, I don't play Occult so there you go. :P

Man, I gotta say, you are one THOROUGH dude. There's no way I could slap all of that together. Just no way. It's impressive, I gotta say.

Edit: There's a paladin in a Righteous game that I'm in that has a level of Bloodrager, that's the only reason I mentioned it. I didn't even know that was possible.

@RH: I've had a few of those. Those "boring" pc's. Sometimes they just don't work out like you hope they would. There was one I had that I was hoping he would get killed in a pbp back in the day. Man he just wouldn't die. So, I COMPLETELY switched his persona. Every since then, he's been a blast! He was fun during the rest of that campaign(It was Book 2 of Second Darkness only) and the game he's currently in now.

Simple basic submission to avoid spending more time on what appears likely to be a fruitless endeavor :( wish I had herolab to effortlessly pump out characters

Man I would highly recommend herolabs. The only problem now is, I think it's a monthly fee. There's no way I'd get it now by paying a monthly fee. It would just annoy me. We got it back in the day and - to this day so far - they haven't made folks pay monthly fees to those who already have it.

@RH: I've had a few of those. Those "boring" pc's. Sometimes they just don't work out like you hope they would.

I just didn't realize that he wouldn't be effective with the sword. What's worse is it's one of my favorite 'introductions' but as a paladin it was just boring. I've thought that maybe in the right game I'd play him as an inquisitor, but those are few and far between and I like the backstory to much to change him now.

Instead of ID Rager he'll be a Steelblood Bloodrager w/Celestial Bloodline. For some reason, I really like having paladins fly into a holy fury(rage) when confronted with evil.

Thorough lol. I just have lots of builds saved into my pathbuilder app on the phone. I've spent more time theorycrafting than actually playing this game, as I only play 1-3 campaigns at a time and very rarely do any of them last a significant length of time, unfortunately, due to PBP campaign death syndrome. It's a widespread malady found on these boards.

I've spent more time theorycrafting than actually playing this game, as I only play 1-3 campaigns at a time and very rarely do any of them last a significant length of time, unfortunately, due to PBP campaign death syndrome. It's a widespread malady found on these boards.

Unfortunately that is absolutely all too true.

I was picked up in a Runelords game several years back in Book 3. We actually got to Book 6 before it abruptly ended. Which really stunk because it was SUCH a great game. Great chemistry/writing all around. It was pretty discouraging to see it end.

That's the closest I've gotten to finishing an AP. I've finished some tiny type stuff: couple of free RPG day modules, a single book of an AP(The SD game I mentioned above) which we were told ahead of time that that was going to be it, but never an AP.

And I've been on these boards since 2009. :P

I used to play with a guy who bought the books, sorted out what builds that were best and would run them through ap's (he was GM and Solo Player) as gestalt to test his theories. I asked him about Brawlers one time, he recommended the mutagen mauler/wildchild archetypes with a tiger animal companion. It was very effective... well I used the grizzly bear, it fit the characters skinwalker backstory better. I learned that I had to be very invested in the animal companion to really enjoy it.

Edit:I've only finished one AP and it was with Mort. I know she's finished two of the three AP's she's started. So you guys playing with her hang in there. I don't think she posts as fast as she used to, but in her defense most of the people playing with her in that AP was either from the east in her time zone or worked third shift so were up at night (US time)

While pets CAN be effective...I've never enjoyed playing a pet class or a really active familiar. I guess I haven't wanted to be "very invested" in them either or they've just felt too fragile in combat at higher lvls. However, the Bard Duetist archetype intrigues me with its non-combat singing familiar.

Simple basic submission to avoid spending more time on what appears likely to be a fruitless endeavor :( wish I had herolab to effortlessly pump out characters

human
str 18
dex 14
con 14
int 10
wis 8
cha 15

Rondelero swashbuckler 1
armor prof light
falcata prof
swashbuckler deeds notably parry and riposte
panache 2

Feats
Skill focus Survival
Feat Power Attack

equipment
studded leather +3ac
falcata
buckler +1ac

fort +2
ref +4
wis -1

ac 16

melee +5 1d8+4 19-20/x3

Looks good so far Wabbit ;)

Update: made a profile. I started writing more backstory stuff, but haven't finished it yet.

First of all, Hamish nice backstory.

Hamish Macrae wrote:

I think Hamish is all ready to go.

For connecting with some of the other PC's it seems highly likely that if Naomi's parents run/work at an inn along the Great Amrin River or in the Stoneheart Valley.

So some changes. They don't run/own an inn, her father is a performer in Bard's Gate. She and her sister perform with him. She plays the lute. Maybe he's a regular at one of the bars?

Performing at one of the many dockside bars/inns, I'm sure Hamish and Naomi could have met. Or maybe we met through Hamish's sister, Margaret (Maggie) Macrae who hired you and your parents to perform at an Orphans of War Society fundraiser recently? The event went well, raising a bit of money for the children and you and Maggie actually became friends which is how you know Hamish, her slightly younger and she's often worried about him, brother.

Ok everyone, I am going to set up a tentative time frame for us to get the game going!

I would say everyone seems to have their characters well underway, so I am thinking by the end of this week most should be complete?

I have a busy Friday, but am thinking about kickstarting it maybe on Saturday or Sunday. Thoughts?

Performing at one of the many dockside bars/inns, I'm sure Hamish and Naomi could have met. Or maybe we met through Hamish's sister, Margaret (Maggie) Macrae who hired you and your parents to perform at an Orphans of War Society fundraiser recently?

Hmmm how old is Hamish? Naomi is 19, her sister Valda is 3 years older. Maybe Maggie hangs with Valda and they've all done stuff together. Or you sister took music lessons from their dad?

If your older sister is around 20 or 21 I could see Naomi hanging with her. But she's a bit of a loner unless her sister drags her into something. Part of the reason her mom encourages her to adventure a little, get out from her sisters shadow so to speak.

...thinking about kickstarting it maybe on Saturday or Sunday. Thoughts?

Saturday or Sunday is fine with me, I'm at my computer a little less, but the weekends are slower on the boards as well.

I have a busy Friday, but am thinking about kickstarting it maybe on Saturday or Sunday. Thoughts?

Fine by me.

I'd say Hamish would be 21, Maggie a year older. Taking lessons from Naomi's father makes sense and would be a good connection for why she got her boss to hire you all for the Orphans event. As younger kids Hamish and Naomi may have simply met a few times when he met his sister following her lessons. But more recently it would be at the bar between his river patrols or after he was mustered out. The link being more just childhood acquaintances or passing friends as both have spent more time alone/outside the city.

Starting this weekend is fine. Weekends are a bit more sketchy for me to post depending on what is happening real life wise. But typically I can post in the mornings (US PDT).

Good for me. Still really busy, but Ill do my best to get done and post as much as possible.

This weekend works. I'm not sure exactly when I'll finish my character. I'll post when I feel my background is relatively complete and work on connecting to other characters then.

Yeah, I know weekends are usually ‘time away from the computer’ for most of us - no worries at all. I had said the game was to start most likely on the second half of July, and we are only just getting there.

For my organization, our final roster (let me know if I got everyone right):

- Guthlag Hardfoot, Half-Orc Druid
- Gobble, Halfling Wizard
- Hamish Macrae, Human Swashbuckler
- Naomi Chadwick, Human Oracle (Spirit Guide)
- Jalros, Human Brawler
- ‘Wabbit’, Human Swashbuckler (Rondelero)

Dang! This is a nice group! :)

So maybe

- Guthlag Hardfoot, Half-Orc Druid
- Gobble, Halfling Wizard
- Hamish Macrae, Human Swashbuckler
-Naomi Chadwick, Human Oracle (spirit Guide) and her pet Husky wolf 'Thistle'
- Jalros, Human Brawler
- ‘Wabbit’, Human Swashbuckler (Rondelero)

I jest, but your right it is a nice group.

The next question, I really like the icon I've selected for Naomi. She'll have silver hair and yellow eyes from birth as part of her 'proof of calling' (I don't know if that's the right terminology but you know what I mean.)

She is going through a bit of a 'goth' stage, dark eyeliner and dark clothing, beloved of the moon and all. But the image has her lip pierced. Should I ignore that, or should I include it in the description?

Sweet! Glad to see that Wabbit is going to be a part of the team. *thumbs up*

@RH: Per the pierced lip: Me personally? I would ignore it.
But it really is just going to depend on how "you" want her to be seen. Ultimately it's up to you, bud.

One point. It is Gubble, with a U.

Secondly, I've not spent nearly enough time putting backstory other bits into Gubble as I would like, I apologize for that. He has been an apprentice to an old wizard for a while, who travelled to visit fellow old mages so while their tower was probably remote they would have passed through the town a good portion of you are from frequently.

All that is to say, do any of you want to be acquaintances of my wizard? No offense taken if you are like NOOOOOOO way in the nine hells or even on Tuesdays.

Oh, no opinion on the lip thing. If you like it, go for it. If you don't and it is just in the picture, no worries, we'll ignore it.

I think Guthlag might know Gubble. They're both reclusive spellcasters. I'm not exactly sure what Guthlag has been doing between his mentor dying and the present, though.

Sounds like a plan. Maybe Gubble would be sent to buy herbs or components from animals from either Guthlag or his master before his master died?

If either of you are purchasing herbs come see Naomi's mother, at her small shop outside of town, near the tent city.

Guhlag, if you've taken to wandering and you near Bard's Gate, most of the barbarians and Nomads take temporary residence in 'Tent City' outside the gate. Naomi's mother is a know Druid in the area and does provide some services for the folks who visit her.