You always get a min of 1 skill point.
And you don't have to pick the stat modifications paragon path of you don't want your int to drop that far. Or focus your level 4 and level 8 bonus to int to offset it.
This is one of the problems with dumping stats.
You may notice that I gave 6 possibly Paragon Path abilities, but you only get to choose 5 by the time you reach max level.
You may notice that I gave 6 possibly Paragon Path abilities, but you only get to choose 5 by the time you reach max level.
I'm just gonna leave the whole thing up to you guys.
I donno what else to say.
Sorry I'm handling this so awkwardly.
Hey, it doesn't bother me one way or another if the class gets adjusted or flat out thrown out.
If everyone wants to change it, by all means do so.
As far as stat changes go, the Dragon Disciple gains a total of +8 stat boosts within 10 levels. For an equivalent level of power, this class should only get a +4 boost within 5 levels. To gain more, you have to compensate it with penalties.
I gave the class a +6 to stats with a -4 to balance it, and one of those -2's is variable.
We can adjust this to make it +6 for -2 or even go up to +8 for -4. Just make the 5th level ability another +2 to str or con.
It's not that I'm a fraid to bother people.
It's that I honestly just don't know how to respond.
Ok, so I'm thinking here:
Let's change up some Paths. I think Magic is right, and there shouldn't be a penalty to a menta stat AND a paragon should be smarter. With that in mind:
Raw Physical Power - At level 1, you gain +2 strength. At level 4, you gain +2 to one mental stat.
Growth - You become a Large size creature. -1 to AC, Reach 10', +1 CMB/CMD. You gain +2 Strength and -2 Dex.
Man, I'm really sorry to say this after you went to all the trouble to make that, but I think it might just be better to drop the whole Paragon thing.
I don't think this is the best thing to pursue with the mixed reactions it's had so far.
I really appreciate that you'd go through and build that for me, though.
I just think it might be best to forget the Paragon thing. I feel like following this further would just make things more and more difficult for everyone.
Sorry. :(
I'm going to base my judgement off of how this compares to the Dragon Disciple, since thats the closest thing we have.
Major pros over DD:
Major pros of DD:
EDIT: Welp, that settles that.
All that said, I would like to remind you that Zveris got pretty much the best deal in the reincarnation. A bonus to his casting stat, a huge amount of natural armor, and a penalty to a stat that was dumped already. And he's still "big" as you wished as well. Things are going pretty good for him as is.
If you wanna drop it, that's fine.
But we've also got a lot of time to think about it-
You've gotta actually get to the point you can take the class before it matters.
I mean, I guess if people are this invested in it...
Can I get a just yes or no poll?
I guess just reply yes or no to this post if I should follow through with the prestige class or not.
Man, I'm really sorry to say this after you went to all the trouble to make that, but I think it might just be better to drop the whole Paragon thing.
I don't think this is the best thing to pursue with the mixed reactions it's had so far.
I really appreciate that you'd go through and build that for me, though.
I just think it might be best to forget the Paragon thing. I feel like following this further would just make things more and more difficult for everyone.
Sorry. :(
No trouble at all. :)
It's taken me half a day to make this while at work; so I havent really put much effort into it at all.
Take it as you may or leave it if you wish. Designing it was part of the fun; and it gave me something to do while I'm on downtime at work. I typically have a few minutes here and there that I have nothing to do but wait, so that's when I worked on it. Today in particular as I had to recalibrate an instrument; and the recalibration process for this machine has a lot of "wait 3 minutes, wait 5 minutes, wait 2 minutes" and you absolutely cannot walk away.
I mean, I guess if people are this invested in it...
Can I get a just yes or no poll?
I guess just reply yes or no to this post if I should follow through with the prestige class or not.
I think it would be an interesting path to take; certainly one of power.
As a player, taking me that path and going on a quest to bring back the troglodytes would be a fantastic storyline.
As a paladin; I'm not sure if I want to go the path of "even though we're monsters, monsters are still evil and you're wrong for bringing them back" or "oh my god, all monsters are just reincarnated humans, and we need to convert them all back" route.
The second path for my character would be happy to assist you in gathering up all the current trogs to convert them to human. :)
I mean, I guess if people are this invested in it...
Can I get a just yes or no poll?
I guess just reply yes or no to this post if I should follow through with the prestige class or not.
I think it would be an interesting path to take; certainly one of power.
As a player, taking me that path and going on a quest to bring back the troglodytes would be a fantastic storyline.
As a paladin; I'm not sure if I want to go the path of "even though we're monsters, monsters are still evil and you're wrong for bringing them back" or "oh my god, all monsters are just reincarnated humans, and we need to convert them all back" route.
The second path for my character would be happy to assist you in gathering up all the current trogs to convert them to human. :)
Pffhah.
The funny thing is that almsot all of them would disagree with both statments.
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If you're going to do that, I should say that I've never multiclassed or used a prestige class ever in my life... At least not in a normal campaign. I like capstone abilities too much.Protip-
Campaigns never get to 20th level.
im in a game that started at level 5, my character is level 16, it has every indication of going past 20
In college I had a gunslinger, started at level 3, ended up with gunslinger (pistlerado) 16 monk (gun fu) 4/ alchemist (grenadier) 1/ marksman 5
If you're going to do that, I should say that I've never multiclassed or used a prestige class ever in my life... At least not in a normal campaign. I like capstone abilities too much.Protip-
Campaigns never get to 20th level.
im in a game that started at level 5, my character is level 16, it has every indication of going past 20
In college I had a gunslinger, started at level 3, ended up with gunslinger (pistlerado) 16 monk (gun fu) 4/ alchemist (grenadier) 1/ marksman 5
Fine. Most don't.
I'm afraid doing that would go against his anti-extinction religiosity.
More along his ideals would be to become a new king among the Troggys and abolishing slavery and canibalism. Once in power he can guide them to a brighter future where they live at peace with humans and depart from their evil ways.
From what I understand, Troggys bow to whatever power is above them, so once he exerts his dominance as the new alpha, he just has to defeat challengers and stay in power. Once that's done they just do what he says. :)
I'm afraid doing that would go against his anti-extinction religiosity.
More along his ideals would be to become a new king among the Troggys and abolishing slavery and canibalism. Once in power he can guide them to a brighter future where they live at peace with humans and depart from their evil ways.
From what I understand, Troggys bow to whatever power is above them, so once he exerts his dominance as the new alpha, he just has to defeat challengers and stay in power. Once that's done they just do what he says. :)
Not realy.
Troglodytes are CE, and wil constantly try to usurp you.
And really won't listen to somone trying to convince them not to eat people.
As a note...
Troglodytes aren't even close to extinct.
They've changed over time, to a "lesser" race.
This is likley becuase superpredators are unstainable, as the energy that would be required to keep up masive, strong bodies and a humaniod shape are abosulty ubsurd.
Also, preventing somone from fixing a problem they precive, so long as they are allowing the creautres a choice, seems odd to me, even for a TN.
Also, preventing somone from fixing a problem they precive, so long as they are allowing the creautres a choice, seems odd to me, even for a TN.
Not sure what you mean by this.
Also, preventing somone from fixing a problem they precive, so long as they are allowing the creautres a choice, seems odd to me, even for a TN.Not sure what you mean by this.
I'm not sure what I meant either.
Ignore it.
I mean, who's actions was it directed towards?
Zveris redeeming the Troggys or Merek making them human?
Making them human wouldn't make them not evil, btw. :/
Not sure if Merek would get that or not...
I mean, who's actions was it directed towards?
Zveris redeeming the Troggys or Merek making them human?
Making them human wouldn't make them not evil, btw. :/
Not sure if Merek would get that or not...
I'm not jsut referring to trogs.
Nonetheless, forget it, it doesn't matter.
I don't really like the amount of effort being put into empowering one character. I'd prefer to move along with the actual game play. I think it was extremely nice for the GM to give us the choice and work with us on our "legacy items", and then to work with us to modify the different races that we rolled to keep people happy and the party balanced. I think you're starting to push the envelope because you found an extremely powerful race that would continue to empower your character. I don't blame anyone for this, it's natural to want more power, but I didn't apply to this game for power. I applied for the role playing challenge of losing everything and still surviving, adapting, and growing, and learning how the process would impact someone. While I enjoy this game, and the interactions with everyone, I don't admire the most powerful characters. I'm in awe of Fray's uniqueness, of the Tavi's unusal opportunities, and the simple luck of the dice rolls. I find it interesting that lizardman were practically extinct, but 2 more have surfaced. I wish we had more Tavi's to utilize their racial teamwork abilities. I find it challenging to role play a husband and wife under these circumstances.
In summary, the most fun I've had in my 20+ years of playing isn't the super powered characters, it's the unusal ones that have to find abnormal solutions. If you have a race car, and the guy you're racing has a bicycle, it's not really any fun when you win.
To be honest, I really didn't want to be the bugbear. I made a supportive character for a reason. I considered offering to trade with someone, but that would have defeated the purpose of rolling randomly. I decided to run with what I got and I thought that that's what this particular game was going to be about.
...
Yeah, you're right.
Sorry.
You're right.
Dropping paragon.
Sorry to everyone who's time I've wasted.
EDIT: Have I mentioned I love characters like Fray?:D I was worried I was gonna upset people. I usually play the NG character or the paladin so this is a fun change.
No man, this is great lol
I haven't really thought too far ahead about my character, figured if I make it to 5th, I'll start planning from there =p
My character really comes in nicely around 9thish but is very much playable from 4th on.
I'm thinking I'm gonna take either some feinting feats or some teamwork feats, but my next feat is for sure Slashing Grace
EDIT: Now that I'm looking at the feats, I think I need Wind and Lightning Stance, suits my character perfectly XD
I don't really like the amount of effort being put into empowering one character. I'd prefer to move along with the actual game play. I think it was extremely nice for the GM to give us the choice and work with us on our "legacy items", and then to work with us to modify the different races that we rolled to keep people happy and the party balanced. I think you're starting to push the envelope because you found an extremely powerful race that would continue to empower your character. I don't blame anyone for this, it's natural to want more power, but I didn't apply to this game for power. I applied for the role playing challenge of losing everything and still surviving, adapting, and growing, and learning how the process would impact someone. While I enjoy this game, and the interactions with everyone, I don't admire the most powerful characters. I'm in awe of Fray's uniqueness, of the Tavi's unusal opportunities, and the simple luck of the dice rolls. I find it interesting that lizardman were practically extinct, but 2 more have surfaced. I wish we had more Tavi's to utilize their racial teamwork abilities. I find it challenging to role play a husband and wife under these circumstances.
In summary, the most fun I've had in my 20+ years of playing isn't the super powered characters, it's the unusal ones that have to find abnormal solutions. If you have a race car, and the guy you're racing has a bicycle, it's not really any fun when you win.
To be honest, I really didn't want to be the bugbear. I made a supportive character for a reason. I considered offering to trade with someone, but that would have defeated the purpose of rolling randomly. I decided to run with what I got and I thought that that's what this particular game was going to be about.
I would agree with you except for one thing:
We are posting much faster than our agreed upon rate of once every 48 hours. If the story wasn't moving along and we weren't posting as often as we agreed because we're too busy designing mechanics for characters, then yes - we should be focusing on the game
However, game is going at a decent pace; building this prestige class hasn't slowed anyone down (I haven't posted to allow others to catch up), and the class allows someone to explore a part of the game that I've never experienced before and likely few people have.
But other than that; you're spot on.
Because charge, Chris.
I'd hate to rules lawyer it up, but zombies are staggered creatures, can only make a move or a standard, not full round actions like charge =/
I mean, either way, he got hit by one of the attacks, and if he was in melee range (since he was opting to kill them) it would make sense that some got hits in.
Edit: Actually, both attacks probably landed, I don't think any of us could wear our armor XD
Technically he got hit twice. His AC is 16.
Without charge, he got hit once.
I'd hate to rules lawyer it up, but zombies are staggered creatures, can only make a move or a standard, not full round actions like charge =/
If a creature can only take a standard action, it can charge up to it's speed (instead of double) as a stnadard action.
Technically he got hit twice. His AC is 16.
Without charge, he got hit once.
He got hit once, becuase he had cast shield immidatly prior.
I'd hate to rules lawyer it up, but zombies are staggered creatures, can only make a move or a standard, not full round actions like charge =/If a creature can only take a standard action, it can charge up to it's speed (instead of double) as a stnadard action.
Oh, you are absolutly right, my bad lol
It all works out!
So, what's everyone else like?
I like to get to know my pbp compatriots.
I live in the southern U.S.
I'm on EST. It's about 9:15 for me when I post this.
I make icees professionally.
Bout to be a college freshman.
No romantic interests currently.
Married, 2 kids. I work in IT support managing teams of technicians. I'm on EST as well, near Wadhington, DC. What are you trying to get a degree in?
I'm thinking I'm gonna take either some feinting feats or some teamwork feats, but my next feat is for sure Slashing Grace
EDIT: Now that I'm looking at the feats, I think I need Wind and Lightning Stance, suits my character perfectly XD
Just noticed this.
I have an entirely expendable and freely changeable teamwork feat we can do together. You can pick something and I can take mine as that.
It's actually a class feature that I can change it, so if anyone else wants to do that too, be my guest. :)
Right now it's English, but once I'm gradgitated, I'm probably going into ministry.
I'm thinking I'm gonna take either some feinting feats or some teamwork feats, but my next feat is for sure Slashing Grace
EDIT: Now that I'm looking at the feats, I think I need Wind and Lightning Stance, suits my character perfectly XDJust noticed this.
I have an entirely expendable and freely changeable teamwork feat we can do together. You can pick something and I can take mine as that.
It's actually a class feature that I can change it, so if anyone else wants to do that too, be my guest. :)
I'm considering Feint Partner (which I can pick up next level instead of a trick) and Improved Feint Partner
Also now considering dazzling display and it's tree
I could use feint partner, but you'd need to do the feinting. Don't have the skill ranks for Bluff too. :/
The second version is a bit beyond me, as I don't have the feats to spend on the prereqs, and I only get one bonus feat.
Teamwork feats are generally only good for 2+ characters one player controls like eidolon and summoner and druid and companion or characters that two players built specifically for team feats.
Married. 2 kids. Oldest is almost 2. I work in a manufacturing plant as a chemist. I do everything from quality control to method development to process improvement and product design. I'm on the west coast.
Cool.
What do you guys make there?
I could use feint partner, but you'd need to do the feinting. Don't have the skill ranks for Bluff too. :/
The second version is a bit beyond me, as I don't have the feats to spend on the prereqs, and I only get one bonus feat.
Teamwork feats are generally only good for 2+ characters one player controls like eidolon and summoner and druid and companion or characters that two players built specifically for team feats.
There's also two classes that benefit heavily from teamwork feats: the inquisitor, who acts like everyone else has the teamwork feat for his own purposes, and the cavalier, who grants others teamwork feats as if he and they possessed them.
Cool.
What do you guys make there?
Chemical measurement tools.
Our main product lines include:
HPLC
GC
Mass Spectromters
UV-Vis Spectroscopy
Sample preparation products like QuEChERS and solid phase extraction
And more.
And all the parts that go with those.
Cool.
What do you guys make there?
And more.
And all the parts that go with those.
I'd like to point out that Solid Phase Extraction sounds like a kick-ass self-titled album name from a band.
Im 21, and I'm a mid-level meat jockey, born and raised in New England.
Also, Icehawk, I have a couple of build related questions to ask. 1. Have you decided on my final racial adjustments, and 2. I'd like to know if I can create a weapon for use with my unique talents.