Wrath of the Righteous

Game Master Vinsomner

I cast Persistent Suffocate..

Or on the witch spells list, Aboleth Lungs

I would advise against it.

By level 5, certain very powerful entities will know who the PC's are and will be watching them. As a result, certain enemies in this campaign will adapt to PC tactics, possibly even using them against the PC's.

Best to reveal as little as possible then if it can be helped.

"Just because you can see it doesnt mean you can stop it"
A quote from one of my favorite characters. Verim will be obvious about what he can do.. It wont mean you can stop him from doing it.

With regard to high optimization people, I mean the kinds of folks that get dragon disciple at like level 3, or something else that cooks the books. None of us are at all on the level of optimization that I strongly dislike, and happen to be far from it, honestly.

"Elitest" is a bit of a strong phrase to call me, however. I'll admit I do have a strong distaste for people that spend the majority of their time on the forums playing Iron Chef Pathfinder.

I typically don't care that Investigator and the rest are/might/could be better than the class I picked. I picked warpriest because I liked it. If people played stuff based on what was best, 70% of the classes would never be played again.

Fluff > Crunch in all scenarios, for me.

I must admit I was toying with a Rapier or similar weapon armed Warpriest of Callistria (focussing on her Vengeance aspect) for another game.

"Elitist' Is the accurate phrase for people who think they are above another group because they play differently. I do not bemoan someone who plays a character that is all numbers/crunch but useless outside of combat as I equally do not bemoan a character who has an elaborate backstory and personality but contributes nothing rolls wise. Both people KNOW what they picked and most likely are adults. They know what the result of their choices most likely would be.

In most play, Casters win yet I still play Martial characters because they are fun and tend to represent that character more than often. It is also because I love the idea of doing so, being that lad or lass who rolls up against the Demon/Dragon/Undead Horde/Whatever and fighting it head on.

But whatever your playing I rather it match up to what the character IS

Fluff=Crunch

If you are a Gallivant Swordsman with a quick eye and witty repertoire, I want to see that or building towards that. I would rather see that then you saying one thing and not doing it.. unless that was SPECIFICALLY what your character does. Heck in another Game I play a rogue who plays like a Wizard.. or I guess closer to Eldritch Knight. It is an All Rogue game but people choose to play them like other classes.. if you can do that.. its fine.. because your fulfilling what the character should be. Even if it may take some levels/equipment to eventually do, the End result should be what the character is supposed to be.

No Im not any of those guys who would go into DD at level 3 but I've had my fair share of people crying and whining about my character doing this or that comparing mine to theirs..because it did something different WELL. Or because I can do more damage or anything along those lines.

With regard to high optimization people, I mean the kinds of folks that get dragon disciple at like level 3, or something else that cooks the books. None of us are at all on the level of optimization that I strongly dislike, and happen to be far from it, honestly.

I agree, which is why I avoided selecting characters that I felt uncomfortable with.

"Just because you can see it doesnt mean you can stop it"

A quote from one of my favorite characters. Verim will be obvious about what he can do.. It wont mean you can stop him from doing it.

It is very hard to counter a fighter. Spells are much easier: opponents start showing up with spells as simple as Alter Self, allowing the caster to breath both air and water, or start showing up preparing the same spell (either for use against the PC's or as a counter spell).

Well of course your fluff should reflect what you are, but that doesn't change the fact that the crunch can be cooked. If someone has a 20 in charisma you shouldn't start their backstory with "Chancellor Wargrim wasn't a handsome man" just the same a Half-orc with 8 charisma shouldn't have pristinely white eyes.

Even then, however, it can be argued that a person with 20 charisma doesn't have to be pretty. Hell, I think Pugs have like a 30, but that's because I love the damn things.

Charisma is about the only thing that example works with, however.

This isn't really even an argument, I just frankly don't like completely optimized characters with glaring capabilities. If you do more than 100 damage at level 5 in 2 attacks and you're not a wizard with maximized fireball scrolls, I would politely ask you to tone it down because my AoO focused reach rogue only does 13 damage a hit, and 32 at best with a sneak attack that actually involves some risk.

It is very hard to counter a fighter

Yes, though i've seen some nice examples of the "they can". A cleric dominated the beefed fighter, turning the strong lead man into a big danger for the rest. They were forced to kill him along with the cleric.

That was an outlier spectrum example but I get your point. You wont complain if a Barbarian or Fight of course does more damage than you but it shouldn't be to the point where there is a clear difference in ability. You picked 5th level because obviously 6th level opens up other possibilities and feats, like Improved TWF. you wouldn't be surprised if a TWFing Fighter at 12th level did 200 points of damage because at that point a lot of their class is put into that. As always, no one likes the person who plays the class that can end the entire combat in one round.

Now on to Warpriest.. will we be adjusting Maxwell NOW or wait until the book actually comes out..

No point until the book comes out.

Thats what I thought too.. speculation is nice but rebuilding takes time.

Aside from Mia, doesn any1 here speak dwarven?

Maxwell only speaks Common because he's not particularly bookey. That said, am I the only one that wants to let the Dwarf keep his spellbook?

Verim doesn't care just make it where he cant cast for now..he thinks the Spell component pouches can be pretty much made or found anywhere.. just make it a bit hard. This coming from the guy he almost killed.

Tieing him up would work just fine, really. I highly doubt he has still spell, let alone silent.

Keep the book, burn the book, at best the party could sell it like individual scrolls, so I see no reason for us to really hold on to it.

I still say we let him keep it.

If witches could learn from his spellbook she'd volunteer to keep it safe. But she can't.

The witch could use it. I really dont care.. The guy is either crazy or overreacted.

"I guess the healing magicians are left in good grace with mr Maxwell then."

Somehow...i feel kind of offended. Us witches cast both healing and arcane. Sadly not all people are open minded towards witches.

Don't feel bad. I spent 20 Minutes this weekend listening to people debating if we should attempt the Risen from the Sands module without a healer.

I told the group during introductions that I was playing a level 4 oracle.

I run a Skull and Shackles game on sunday nights and the group has no official healer, just a bunch of people who can spontaneously cast a few cure spells.

In my S&S game we had no healer/someone with the ability to heal at all. We actually had all martials. I played Taylor Gray, Devilishly good looking scarred One Man Army; who liked the finned ladies. He used Scatter Weapons, the three main being two Culverins and a Blunderbuss named Julia. Basically he would pepper the enemy, the rest would clean up. Captain was a Merfolk Swashbuckler made to fight one on one duels expertly. Anything aquatic and female she killed. I am not sure till this day if she is jealous, spiteful, or secretly didnt want him getting any from anyone else.

Ah, the group I run is a half sea elf druid, a tengu wereshark inquisitor (curse you plot twist cards and the random encounter charts), a dwarven fighter/ranger a a sniper, a corsair fighter (currently we are fighting a lot of sahuagin and he's got brine's sting), a halfling stormborn sorcerer, and a human battle oracle.

My Group was mainly 3 until people died Started With Auria Eisel, Merfolk Swashbuckler; Taylor Gray, Buccaneer-Blooded Human Mysterious Stranger/Trench Fighter; Oloro, Half-Giant Drunken Brute and Morkey Jones, Orc Sea Reaver. It ended with the last two eventually dying and new characters being made. Auria, Taylor, Bartolemeo; Tiefling Monk Fanboy of Taylor; Mikey Ratfolk Wizard and KuroHige, who died a few times turning from a human Samurai to a trog to a human female...

It's an all male cast for us. My bard fell in for an at that time absent bard.
Half-orc sorc, human rogue, human monk, human warpriest (a.k.a. rival in romancing the main woman), human mwangi aquatic druid and moi, the bard.

We are currently at day 2, just finished with the fistfight with Aretta & co.

For those unfamiliar; this is Sir Bearington.

And this relates to a diplomatic kind halfling because......?

You're trying to constantly disguise yourself as a human child and make everyone think that's what you are. You're just not as successful at cross-species disguises as Sir Bearington.

Yes, well the cover's blown. The only who hasn't taken a proper look is our moody but well meaning tank. In a capital where religion is one of the firm hands, witches aren't seen...kindly upon.
Inquisitors...paladins, zealous clerics..........

Start prying if you like......^^

If my posting slows down over the next couple of days, blame Privateer Press and Whitemoon Dreams - the Backer beta for this is starting tomorrow.

Maxwell honestly doesn't really care if you're a child or not, really. He's kind of numb towards that sort of thing, actually. He's even less concerned about you being a witch. "Good intentions in moderation." is his calling card. He'll help, but the only thing he's looking towards dying for is killing atleast 10 demons.

He's even less concerned about you being a witch

That would be something she'll try to hide more than anything.

Besides, weren't you "wary of the arcane"?

Wary of the arcane in combat, sure, but that's like saying "I try not to get near the person with the greataxe and bulging muscles." when he's not on my team. Maxwell stated that only because he knew how effective it was in combat, not because he was generally scared of it.

Wary of the arcane in combat, sure, but that's like saying "I try not to get near the person with the greataxe and bulging muscles." when he's not on my team. Maxwell stated that only because he knew how effective it was in combat, not because he was generally scared of it.

In other words; he follows the Shadowrun philosophy of "geek the mage first"?

I've never played that.

But i'm guessing that philosophy aims at "ignore the mage"?

Maxwell Lionheart wrote:

Wary of the arcane in combat, sure, but that's like saying "I try not to get near the person with the greataxe and bulging muscles." when he's not on my team. Maxwell stated that only because he knew how effective it was in combat, not because he was generally scared of it.

In other words; he follows the Shadowrun philosophy of "geek the mage first"?

Well that's common sense, why do you think Verim tripped him? It didnt matter what happened to him at that point, once the mage cant move its dead.

I've never played that.

But i'm guessing that philosophy aims at "ignore the mage"?

[fryface]Not sure if Sarcasm[/fryface]

I'm not familiar with the phrase "to geek [insert]", hence...
if for some reason this thought offends someone, pardon.

It's part of the slang for Shadowrun's setting. Geek is a slang term for kill. Mages are very dangerous opponents on a shadowrun, particularly if they work for Aztechnology and are let in on the megacorp's blood magic.

Because of how dangerous their spells are and their ability to call up spirits to fight alongside them (which can be rather hard to put down), one of the first rules shadowrunners learn is to take out enemy mages first. Even other mages take it to heart.

Ah Shadowrun, how I hate every edition from 1st-3rd where the math doesn't make sense. 4th edition was pretty nice since they decided to simplify the entire system and have a core mechanic rather than subsystems for everything. But yeah, geek the mage is a rather common phrase heard in shadowrun games. I think I played a combat mage last time I played and accidentally blew up a city block. But then again I liked pink mohawk style games.

<---- Used to GM 1st edition Shadowrun. Loved the game.

Don't get me wrong, I love the setting, but the dice mechanics just added up to some really terrible math. Love the setting, despised the mechanics. I'm pretty sure my storyteller would just roll a pile of dice and say what happened.

Sorry if I'm slow to post; down in Sydney for the next couple of days for a LAN party so internet access is unreliable.

I wasn't able to post during the day due to going to see the latest Transformer movie. I will say it was very good, my only complaint is that it is far too long.

I thought about watching it, but changed my mind. I'll get it when it comes out on DVD.

It's a very smart idea, the movie is 2 hours and 37 minutes, plus previews. I'm lucky I'm on a diet (9 pounds down, 31 to go!) or I would have gotten my usual icee and that would have made me miss parts of the movie.

Sorry if I'm slow to post; down in Sydney for the next couple of days for a LAN party so internet access is unreliable.

So I asked for the bag with my computer in it to be marked as fragile when I checked in at Sydney airport for the flight back and the girl behind the counter suggested I take it to a different counter (after she'd put the tags and such on it) so it wouldn't get bounced around as much in the conveyor system. That counter was run by a different airline to the one I was with and the bag was never passed on.