
Melody Waverider |

Dom Waverider wrote:I did my catch up reading and realized after that I am doing this a lot lately. So I came to realize I just need to let a few things go. So sorry. I think it's time I fade into the background. I may return some time, but I won't be for awhile. Thanks for all the fun. I will still keep checking in and see how things are going.This makes me sad. :(
I mean, I understand and all, it just makes me sad. Dom and Hew and Zilla and Salis are all much loved characters and I will miss them. *Puts certan story arcs on back burner*
Please let me know if you decide that you won't be coming back at all because that will certainly change plans for future story arcs rather drastically. Otherwise I am assuming this is just a (hopefully short) hiatus and they are all still there in the background.
I know lyn.. I will soooo miss my Dom :(

lynora |

I can't really just let this go because it is something I feel very strongly about, but I don't want to open a huge debate here either.
There is absolutely nothing about striking a child that instills a respect for authority. Spanking is not good discipline practice. All it does is erode a child's trust in their parents. What does teach respect for authority is consistency. Consistent negative consequences for bad behaviors and positive consequences for good behaviors. And patience. Lots of patience. Being anti-spanking in no way means that a parent is anti-discipline. There are so many better ways to teach respect. Not every attempt is successful. You have to tailor it to the child which makes it much more complicated than one size fits all types of disciplines like spanking, but that makes it more effective. You know what the worst punishment I can give my son is? The one that makes him cry and promise he won't ever do it again? Having to handwrite and then hand deliver an apology letter. For me at that age the most effective punishment was being restricted from tv. It's a very individual thing.

lynora |

Has anyone ever built Vash the Stampede?
I need to redo Gian's half of Lim-Môr so that he effects more like that, incapacitation and area effecting instead of shooting to kill as his stats are now.
I have 7 feats and 8 levels to work with.
I hadn't seen Trigun when I made him, so it hadn't occurred to me that gunslinger doesn't have to shoot stuff.
Make that six feats. One is quick draw now.
Replacing point blank line, weapon focus pistol, and precise shot.
I don't think anyone has used Vash as inspiration for a build, no. Sounds like a good fit for Gian. :)

lynora |

This among other things is why I'm considering not having kids of my own and adopting ≈age10.
:/
This of course is years and years from now and will first need to be discussed with the wife I may or may not have.
Just something I think about...
You're a bit young to be worrying about it now anyways. :)
You'll know what the right decision is when you get to it.

♣♠Magic♦♥ |

Ya, it's just one of the random things I think about. This is one of the ones that occurs more than once.
Other things include the build of the tables in the restaurant I plan to have.(very high end expensive techy stuff)
And what I would dedicate individual floors to if I ever become unreasonably wealthy and lived in a skyscraper.

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That was more of a call to see if anyone had ideas for how to do it.
This system really isn't helpful to noncombatants. :/
Especially when it's not magic.
A merciful weapon deals an extra 1d6 points of damage, but all damage it deals is nonlethal damage. On command, the weapon suppresses this ability until told to resume it (allowing it to deal lethal damage, but without any bonus damage from this ability).
Also simply the abilities of gunslingers to shoot parts of the body work without any real effort to do "vash" just using called shots constantly.

lynora |

So I am sore and exhausted. And only halfway through the assembling of things from Ikea. Although I did also break down and carry down the stairs and out to the dumpster the three broken bookcases that are being replaced....getting things into the dumpster is always interesting since it means having to lift stuff over my head. Tomorrow I will also be assembling stuff and cleaning and putting things away. Sigh.
I will try to get some posts up but no promises as I might just fall asleep when I try.
Also, I appreciate the compliment from those who found the Rodhas and Morrivan scene an emotional read. Especially since it took me an hour to write that post because I had to keep taking breaks because I was crying too hard to type. ^.^

icehawk333 |

So I am sore and exhausted. And only halfway through the assembling of things from Ikea. Although I did also break down and carry down the stairs and out to the dumpster the three broken bookcases that are being replaced....getting things into the dumpster is always interesting since it means having to lift stuff over my head. Tomorrow I will also be assembling stuff and cleaning and putting things away. Sigh.
I will try to get some posts up but no promises as I might just fall asleep when I try.
Also, I appreciate the compliment from those who found the Rodhas and Morrivan scene an emotional read. Especially since it took me an hour to write that post because I had to keep taking breaks because I was crying too hard to type. ^.^
I would probobly have found it more emotional if is wasn't (and I still am, to some degree) kinda delirious at the moment. Pain is annoyingly destracting.

♣♠Magic♦♥ |

I'm not building him exactly. Just using that is a general idea of what I was looking for ability wise.
Hmm.
Hey, Lyn. I know Ephebe is a cleric spell-gunner who's proper name is escaping me. What are the odds of Gian being able to learn that?
And then at the same time, Nero is retrained to a Magus instead of fighter.
Future stuff that doesn't just involve them being split up. :)

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I'm not building him exactly. Just using that is a general idea of what I was looking for ability wise.
Hmm.
Hey, Lyn. I know Ephebe is a cleric spell-gunner who's proper name is escaping me. What are the odds of Gian being able to learn that?
And then at the same time, Nero is retrained to a Magus instead of fighter.
Future stuff that doesn't just involve them being split up. :)
arm shots don't do any damage but auto force drop of items in it =D

Vickory West |

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Besides, any parent I ever met that uses spanking has only had to do it once or twice, that's it. Why? Because thereafter if the child misbehaves, the parent says stop, and the child stops, because the child instantly and instinctively knows what will happen if they don't. Spanking causes physical pain which is an instinctual thing. Punishments like time out and such are higher order aspects and children don't think on that level as early in life, unlike instinctual issues which play into a child's thinking from the beginning, and even when the kids can start to think on the higher order level, they still act on the instinctual level most of the time.
Yes, you can get creative to avoid spanking, though it generally doesn't help until the child is slightly older. But I have never met a parent that only had to give time out (or similar high order punishment) once or twice. One person I talked to even had to give time out and take away toys/privileges/etc and such once or twice a week. Even monthly is just plain ridiculous. So no I am not really calling them anti-discpline, I just have zero faith that other methods will ever be anywhere near as effective (not ineffective, just not as effective). Just the need to wait till the child is old enough to understand the higher order punishment gives a big disadvantage in this regard.
Besides, it isn't like spanking is some bad and terrible thing even if it wasn't so effective. I think parents tend to be too soft on kids these days out of fear of being called "abusive" which is even more misdiagnosed than ADD.
It is like the fingers of a musician, the fingers get hurt and hurt until they callous, thereafter the musician can play without pain or issue. Same thing happens with life, but developing life oriented callouses occurs better and healthier in kids then as adults. After all the entire point of childhood is to learn how to be an adult and effectively deal with living in the great big outside world. Too many people want to coddle them and be soft, then just one day kick'em out and expect them to suddenly be adults. And then people wonder why young adults are the source of so many problems.

icehawk333 |

But there's only two feats for that. :/
Sorta.
If you're smart, you'll notice that-
One, you need to chain together more feats, because you need to have a really high to-hit to offset the penalties of called shots.
Omelette.
Two, you'll also want feats that allow you to dodge well, because you'll still miss a lot.
Three- I've worked on a "called shot" specialist before. It specialized in called shots to the heart, and did enough damage to kill anything with 400 hp or less instantly.

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in my family we normally tried to make punish enemy's that would remind you of what you were being punishe for
For example my youngest brother bought so many apps that our bank called us to ask if that was actually us buying the appsSo his punishment was no electronics
This isn't always applicable and sometimes offence were too serious and a physical punishment is determined to be nescicary
Whenever this happens my dad would send me or whoever it was in trouble to my/their room
Generally for about a half hour
This ensured that we thought about it and that my parents weren't just acting in anger
Then they would walk up explain what we did wrong and why they were doing this and then my dad would take off his belt and spank whoever had done te thing

Vickory West |

...
This ensured that we thought about it ...
The real question is whether you actually thought about it. Most kids don't really think at that stage. They wallow in whatever emotion they feel about the situation, whether it be anger at their parents for punishing them, or self-pity for having gotten in trouble, or disappointment/confusion if what happened was unintended or they didn't realize they were going to get in trouble, etc. Generally, if they are thinking, then it is thinking about something else entirely, having for the moment, forgotten that they were being punished (this is by far the common result for the smarter, more imaginative kids, and particularly for mild autistics).

Lim-Môr Azair'vialys |

I don't have magus levels...
If magus was to be added, it would replace wizard.

Monkeygod |

Well, its entirely up to you and exactly how you want to build the side of the character.
Gunslinger is nice, in that it gets you some really nice funky abilities via Deeds. Targeting at 7th level sprang to mind as a great fit from what you've said your trying to go for.
On the flip side, if you went all Fighter, you could easily pick up several of the status inducing critical feats, and at 14th level, get Critical Mastery, allowing you to apply two the crit effects to your attack. You have to be a 14th level fighter for that though.
Both should easily accomplish your goal, just differently.
As for Magus, I love it. Solid class for sure, but obviously more combat focused than the Wizard. Not sure if you want that for the other personality or not.

lynora |


lynora |

I'm not building him exactly. Just using that is a general idea of what I was looking for ability wise.
Hmm.
Hey, Lyn. I know Ephebe is a cleric spell-gunner who's proper name is escaping me. What are the odds of Gian being able to learn that?
And then at the same time, Nero is retrained to a Magus instead of fighter.
Future stuff that doesn't just involve them being split up. :)
Ephebe is like an arcane gunslinger, but with divine spells instead. The only way to learn to be what she is would be to apprentice with her. She kind of learned from her dad and kind of did the Sunwake kid thing and created something new, so she's the first one to have that particular class. And the divine gunslinger, like the arcane gunslinger, requires that you learn by apprenticing. Similar to a jedi in that respect.

icehawk333 |

Now, while I think lyn is somewhat right, is will say, spanking did indeed help me when I was younger. It was mostly only used when I defied other punishments- if I was restricted from doing something, and I somehow managed to do it anyway, then I would get spanked. in my case, it was because I would very well keep trying to do whatever I was restricted from until that physical punishment was administered- once I realized that was something they could do, I behaved better, simply because, in my case, that pshical punishment was one of the few things that made me grow a sense of respect for my parents, as I didn't understand non-physical pain well (I think I may be a bit masochistic when it comes to emotional pain). For me, waiting was largely painless, so long as it wasn't in the car or at a friend's house where time felt limited. What I'm saying is, that spankings aren't always the best thing, sometimes they are the only thing that works. For me, it wasn't that spankings were the catch all- it's the thing that devastated me. Nothing but physical pain got through to me.
Of course, I'm presenting this as the exception, not the rule.

Kryzbyn |

There are things citizens aren't allowed to do that police can do.
It's realism.
Spanking worked on me as well. The crowning moment is when I caught my dad with a tear in his eye. It taught me that my actions can adversely effect others. Empathy in that moment meant I no longer did anything worthy of being spanked. Lessons other than authority can be learned from it. It's why it's been a popular form of child rearing for centuries. It works :)
There are cases where it doesn't. There are no cookie cutter children.
Full disclosure, no I do not have any children of my own. But I was 16 when my sisters came along, and was very much a part of raising them.

icehawk333 |

Yeah, I had to be taught empathy.
Odd, really. Either way, once I learned how to read people, I then started realizing they had emotions too because I was taught what those kinda things mean.
Of course, I was reading everyone horribly wrong until my special classes in middle school.

Vickory West |

I have been studying this because it is one of my goals to design a better education system.
"I mean, really? You tell your kids it's not okay to hit and then punish them by hitting?"
You assume I tell kids this. While I believe that non-violent solutions are the best ones for nearly all cases, there will always be times when violence is the best answer. Dealing with school bullies for example.
It even applies to adults sometimes (more often then what could possibly be achieved).
So we might disagree, but I've spent years of studying both what psychologists/sociologists say, and from watching and asking how children and parents interact.
Even as a kid I watched because I wanted to know why parents would allow their kids to be so disruptive, selfish, and mean, aka be brats. I thought allowing such was stupid then, and I think it's stupid now. And so most of my life I watched, wanting to know what caused it and the best way to avoid that. And going to college I started taking psychology for this very reason. Know I know for sure it can be avoided, and much of what causes it.

The Dalesman |

Dom Waverider |

Dom Waverider wrote:I did my catch up reading and realized after that I am doing this a lot lately. So I came to realize I just need to let a few things go. So sorry. I think it's time I fade into the background. I may return some time, but I won't be for awhile. Thanks for all the fun. I will still keep checking in and see how things are going.This makes me sad. :(
I mean, I understand and all, it just makes me sad. Dom and Hew and Zilla and Salis are all much loved characters and I will miss them. *Puts certain story arcs on back burner*
Please let me know if you decide that you won't be coming back at all because that will certainly change plans for future story arcs rather drastically. Otherwise I am assuming this is just a (hopefully short) hiatus and they are all still there in the background.
I'll still be around, so if you need any of my characters for an arc just shoot me a message and I'll be happy to post a with them during which. I just can't be around enough to keep up with the speed of things. :)
So Mel gets to keep her brother just not as much as she would really want. :p

Zilla |

Dom Waverider wrote:I did my catch up reading and realized after that I am doing this a lot lately. So I came to realize I just need to let a few things go. So sorry. I think it's time I fade into the background. I may return some time, but I won't be for awhile. Thanks for all the fun. I will still keep checking in and see how things are going.If things didn't work out with Ignace I kinda thought you know Zilla... well, she... I .... ahh who am I kidding she wouldn't go for me anyway
And here I was giving up on flirting with you. The googly eyes for my bff and all. ;)