Regeneration isn't 'instant healing'.
Damage Reduction is the bodies resistance to all but certain forms of material. Using a slingshot against an elephant is less effective than an elephant rifle.
True....
But with a concrete saw you can slice down a wall...
But if something.has Dr 15/- it can take a nap while you attempt to cut off a limb
Do not apply logic to the game system. It is not designed to reflect reality, but to define levels and various checks and balance situations to keep the miniature and stat happy players engaged.
Plus it's fun when things work /in/ the system, otherwise, you're being silly. Plus, the DM is your judge, right? Hate the game, not the players, or what not.
Okay how about this scenario....
Mage uses a spell to give himself diamond hard skin. (DR)
The fighter uses a sword that can cut through diamond hardness (adamantine) but can't harm the mage because the diamond hard DR. Can't be penatrated...
This is the reason for my confusion
Also, that's the reason that very few things have DR/-, and none so high as 15 (at least, in Core Paizo from what I know)
Magic/Narrator/Tybalt is going to have to answer the Rena search for lingering auras, not my NPCs or PCs doing regarding converting the drinks on the roof.
As for Bradley and waiting, fine by me. I'll wait for Lynora to update us before posting as Tryko'Sam.
I actually avoided Bradley with Anahita just earlier to not inundate Lynora further, hope this doesn't affect her further. Humorous.
To quote Wiki:
Adamantine is a mineral, often referred to as adamantine spar. It is a silky brown form of corundum. It has a Mohs rating of 9
Adamantine has a Mohs rating of 9, and a hardness of 20. Given that Mohs is a non-linear progression, diamond ought to have a hardness of 25-30 at least (given that Hardness is also, not really a linear progression when you think of it.
Diamond, in pathfinder has an equivalent hardness of 20...
Adamantine weapons ignore 20 or lower
Because the hardness is now DR.
Mage is immortal fighter is screwed
I am unable to find the "Diamond Skin" spell you mentioned, but if it's anything like Stoneskin it should have the 10/adamantine thing.
I couldn't find an official source for diamond in Pathfinder, if you could direct me? I was merely extrapolating from real life.
Of course, if it's third party, it's probably crap and wrong (general opinion of third party content, though some is okay).
I am unable to find the "Diamond Skin" spell you mentioned, but if it's anything like Stoneskin it should have the 10/adamantine thing.
I couldn't find an official source for diamond in Pathfinder, if you could direct me? I was merely extrapolating from real life.
Of course, if it's third party, it's probably crap and wrong (general opinion of third party content, though some is okay).
It is 3rd party, but without adamantine weakness.
I'm just wondering why hardness and Dr have different rules when say 33% of the time they are the same thing
(Also? 20 hardness is more of an inconvience to any decent fighter at the levels we're talking about. Might mean the wizard survives the first full attack though.)
It is 3rd party, but without adamantine weakness.
I'm just wondering why hardness and Dr have different rules when say 33% of the time they are the same thing
For that other 66% of the time.
Honestly, don't consider third party stuff for rules questions, that's just a silly premise.
(Also? 20 hardness is more of an inconvience to any decent fighter at the levels we're talking about. Might mean the wizard survives the first full attack though.)
Say level 10...
With a - 20 to every damage roll the fighter is dealing meager damage while taking
10d6 or more every round....
What level of SPELL is diamond skin?! It would have to be level 5 to cast it at 10th level... given your description I was assuming it was an 8th level spell.
See? This is why 3rd party fails.
It is 3rd party, but without adamantine weakness.
I'm just wondering why hardness and Dr have different rules when say 33% of the time they are the same thing
For that other 66% of the time.
Honestly, don't consider third party stuff for rules questions, that's just a silly premise.
That's why I want a transparency for that 33 %
Say Davids diamond skin... provides DR. Right?
Then why wouldn't an adamantine weapon penatrate it?
An adamantine Golem takes.full damage (I think) from it and has a higher hardness than David's DR...
Or a dire Alligator... very hard scales, a small but unbypassable Dr...
What level of SPELL is diamond skin?! It would have to be level 5 to cast it at 10th level... given your description I was assuming it was an 8th level spell.
See? This is why 3rd party fails.
Scroll...
My GM pulled it on me, and my group its a level 7 I think...
A fighter a rogue a cleric and a monk had been smacking around wizards druids and stuff easy and got a TPK.
No offense Dk, But your GM failed in his role.
My skin does not provide DR, my skin gives a bonus to my natural armor equal to my charisma or constitution modifier, whichever is higher, the most DR I usually ever get is 2/magic
No offense Dk, But your GM failed in his role.
I after the session looked at it... it wasn't that gamebreaking from an objective view...
We deal lots of damage... mid twenty's low thirties ish.... and the wizard had decent AC, but wouldn't normally stand much of a chance....
But after the spell was cast we were doing next to nothing damage wise and our cleric was too busy healing us up to dispel the spell... which wasn't that hard to dispel... like a 23 caster check...
So it wasn't that he tried to kill us... just a touch too much...
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My skin does not provide DR, my skin gives a bonus to my natural armor equal to my charisma or constitution modifier, whichever is higher, the most DR I usually ever get is 2/magic
This throws another chunk of confusion into the mix.
With something that will cut through your diamond skin as easily as normal skin... why do you still get the bonus?
I'm pretty much doing post triage. I look at it and evaluate 1. Does this require a response? 2. Does it require an immediate response? And go from there. I didn't ignore Ana's post. There was nothing that required response. Nala only reacted to Vai when she actually said something.
Basically I can't effectively manage more than five scenes. I think I'm up to twice that. Things get dropped. Descriptive text is usually the first to go.
Hey, Lynora, can we do a meeting between...
......okay, my annoying joke has been foiled by my inability to spell your characters' names.
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My skin does not provide DR, my skin gives a bonus to my natural armor equal to my charisma or constitution modifier, whichever is higher, the most DR I usually ever get is 2/magic
This throws another chunk of confusion into the mix.
With something that will cut through your diamond skin as easily as normal skin... why do you still get the bonus?
Because not everything in a game has to make sense.
My skin does not provide DR, my skin gives a bonus to my natural armor equal to my charisma or constitution modifier, whichever is higher, the most DR I usually ever get is 2/magic
This throws another chunk of confusion into the mix.
With something that will cut through your diamond skin as easily as normal skin... why do you still get the bonus?
Because reality.
Something hard is harder to press through, even if your weapon is harder.Steel will just bend if it hits something with dr/adamante.
Just.... Follow the dang rules.
Also, having hardness halves all elemental damage you take, except cold, witch is 1/4thed.
And hardness also works on magic.
[Shakes head]
Sorry everyone, trying to make things actually make sense is probably bad for everyone who enjoys d&d
Also, if it were realistic, a good cut with a sword from someone with ranks in gemcutting would cause him to shatter, due to diamonds many, many vulnerable points all across it's surface.
[Shakes head]
Sorry everyone, trying to make things actually make sense is probably bad for everyone who enjoys d&d
... No, you're not making sense.
Diamond is hard.Adamant is hard.
Adamant does not allow you to hit harder, it just makes it so your weapon doesn't fall apart when you try and hit solid steel or diamond.
In other words, you still need to attack harder to get through the armor of the person....
This is like using disable device to one shot a clockwork construct....
Oh, wait, you tried that too.
Also, if it were realistic, a good cut with a sword from someone with ranks in gemcutting would cause him to shatter, due to diamonds many, many vulnerable points all across it's surface.
Heck, why don't we allow that? That sounds like a cool weakness!
GM: "You see a small gnome approaching."
Gem Man: "Ha! My character has DR 18/-, bring it on!"
GM: "The gnome reaches into his pocket and pulls out a small hammer..."
Also, if it were realistic, a good cut with a sword from someone with ranks in gemcutting would cause him to shatter, due to diamonds many, many vulnerable points all across it's surface.Heck, why don't we allow that? That sounds like a cool weakness!
GM: "You see a small gnome approaching."
Gem Man: "Ha! My character has DR 18/-, bring it on!"
GM: "The gnome reaches into his pocket and pulls out a small hammer..."
Because about 10 ranks is an instant death to the charecter?
[Shakes head]
Sorry everyone, trying to make things actually make sense is probably bad for everyone who enjoys d&d
... No, you're not making sense.
Diamond is hard.
Adamant is hard.Adamant does not allow you to hit harder, it just makes it so your weapon doesn't fall apart when you try and hit solid steel or diamond.
In other words, you still need to attack harder to get through the armor of the person....
This is like using disable device to one shot a clockwork construct....
Oh, wait, you tried that too.
Okay so a harder material is harder to cut through.... yes.
So a steel sword and a adamantine sword cut through the same amount of material.... noThe adamantine bites deeper and won't bounce off of what a steel sword will.
Exactly- that's why dr is ignored, but not natural armor.
Failing to get through natural Armor is just failing to pierce the skin at all.
Dr is the weapon failing to do much after it could have done so.
Also, if it were realistic, a good cut with a sword from someone with ranks in gemcutting would cause him to shatter, due to diamonds many, many vulnerable points all across it's surface.Heck, why don't we allow that? That sounds like a cool weakness!
GM: "You see a small gnome approaching."
Gem Man: "Ha! My character has DR 18/-, bring it on!"
GM: "The gnome reaches into his pocket and pulls out a small hammer..."Because about 10 ranks is an instant death to the charecter?
Not instant death... how about an extra 1/4 point of damage per skill point in that specific situation?
Or maybe an extra point...
Say 16 ranks.
1d4+16+str...
Not devastating but a hellacious surprise
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[Shakes head]
Sorry everyone, trying to make things actually make sense is probably bad for everyone who enjoys d&d
... No, you're not making sense.
Diamond is hard.
Adamant is hard.Adamant does not allow you to hit harder, it just makes it so your weapon doesn't fall apart when you try and hit solid steel or diamond.
In other words, you still need to attack harder to get through the armor of the person....
This is like using disable device to one shot a clockwork construct....
Oh, wait, you tried that too.
well adamanite is twice as heavy and keeps an edge better so it does hit a little bit harder, just not that much harder
I'm actually not sure whether this applies to something in Avalon or not (I really can't follow anything with my limited understanding of the game, so I just try to keep track of where Vakkler is and who he's yelling at), but Db3 is probably right.
I dunno about instant death. I think it'd require some special circumstances. Something like a coup de grace, or an assassin's death strike. That'd be a neat prestige class. Pretty specialized, though... ;D
Not instant death... how about an extra 1/4 point of damage per skill point in that specific situation?Or maybe an extra point...
Say 16 ranks.
1d4+16+str...
Not devastating but a hellacious surprise
That makes much more sense.
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I'm actually not sure whether this applies to something in Avalon or not (I really can't follow anything with my limited understanding of the game, so I just try to keep track of where Vakkler is and who he's yelling at), but Db3 is probably right.
I dunno about instant death. I think it'd require some special circumstances. Something like a coup de grace, or an assassin's death strike. That'd be a neat prestige class. Pretty specialized, though... ;D
One guy here is mostly solid diamond, and has wings of gold.
He's walking inflation.
Not instant death... how about an extra 1/4 point of damage per skill point in that specific situation?Or maybe an extra point...
Say 16 ranks.
1d4+16+str...
Not devastating but a hellacious surprise
That makes much more sense.
Fair, if a little unrealistic.
Not unrealistic at all... a man who works with gems would be able to hit a gemstone with much more effect than anyone who doesn't because they don't know how to do the same thing he does
I'm actually not sure whether this applies to something in Avalon or not (I really can't follow anything with my limited understanding of the game, so I just try to keep track of where Vakkler is and who he's yelling at), but Db3 is probably right.
I dunno about instant death. I think it'd require some special circumstances. Something like a coup de grace, or an assassin's death strike. That'd be a neat prestige class. Pretty specialized, though... ;D
One guy here is mostly solid diamond, and has wings of gold.
He's walking inflation.
and I regenerate (10 points a round) which would make it worse
Not unrealistic at all... a man who works with gems would be able to hit a gemstone with much more effect than anyone who doesn't because they don't know how to do the same thing he does
No, unrealistic because hitting a diamond across one of those weak spots causes the whole thing to shatter or split.
Unrealistic because it's merciful.Anyway, this conversation is irrelevant. I shouldn't stoke things on.
No, unrealistic because hitting a diamond across one of those weak spots causes the whole thing to shatter or split.
Not unrealistic at all... a man who works with gems would be able to hit a gemstone with much more effect than anyone who doesn't because they don't know how to do the same thing he does
It doesn't go, plink
And the diamond explodes into shards.....
It would cause deep cracks and splits ergo.... extra damage.
Dave is inflation until people start looking for diamond/gold that rots at the same rate as normal flesh...
It doesn't.
Normally, creatures with this template are from the elemental plane of earth.So...
And he counts for material components.
It doesn't go, plink
And the diamond explodes into shards.....
It would cause deep cracks and splits ergo.... extra damage.
I'm saying it was unrealistic because it was a merciful way of dealing with it.
No, the cracks would go all the way trough if it was reality. But it's not. So this is a reasonable way of handling such a problem.
Dave is inflation until people start looking for diamond/gold that rots at the same rate as normal flesh...It doesn't.
Normally, creatures with this template are from the elemental plane of earth.
So...And he counts for material components.
Lynn nerfed that
Lynn nerfed thatDave is inflation until people start looking for diamond/gold that rots at the same rate as normal flesh...It doesn't.
Normally, creatures with this template are from the elemental plane of earth.
So...And he counts for material components.
Oh, cool.
If it doesn't rot then he probably shouldn't age.
But, seriously, guys, go make a thread to discuss this stuff. It' shota be annoying for Lyn to come back and see pages of stuff that could have been in another thread with a lot more people chipping in.
I listed something that needs to be discussed HERE.
This impacts THIS game so I'm keeping it here
Hey, DB3.
Anahita is in pursuit of your nameless 'girl', in case.
Just a gentle reminder thrown out in the middle of this rant about diamond and such.
Lynn nerfed thatDave is inflation until people start looking for diamond/gold that rots at the same rate as normal flesh...It doesn't.
Normally, creatures with this template are from the elemental plane of earth.
So...And he counts for material components.
wish she had told me that, all she told me in regards to that is to not use limbs to pay people as it made her squeamish
If it doesn't rot then he probably shouldn't age.
But, seriously, guys, go make a thread to discuss this stuff. It' shota be annoying for Lyn to come back and see pages of stuff that could have been in another thread with a lot more people chipping in.
it did make me age slower