The Avalon Chronicles

Game Master lynora

Zix wrote:

GM Capt Wombat wrote:

Zix wrote:

I do not posess the organic system known as "pores" thus your analogy is flawed.

Even better, kids don't care they just like to pop a pompous teachers bubble with a funny nickname Zit.

hehe

then they shall be made to write "I shall show my teachers and elders respect" 10 thousand times or until I feel tired whichever comes second

even better, soooooooooo uptight

do I hear 50 thousand?, better yet, I'll see i vakkler would handle the punishment

The availability of divination magic is one of my big pet peeves about high level play. As pointed out by others, it makes it very difficult to pull off certain secrets. It's why I think low-level play is much more fun--hence my playing characters like Vakkler. Sadly, that does mean my guys're even more vulnerable to divinations. Just something I have to accept, though it does bar certain character options.

There are always options. The game is full of checks and balances.

Sorry about how harsh my post originally was, by the way. I was seeing you as a representation of divination's restrictions, but you were just trying to help.

Gamze is very much meant to be a two-bit teacher: One who only got hired due to a combination of luck and b!~#+@+@ting. In a setting where the Headmaster, about 10% of the student population, and the animated kitchen sink all can see clear as day Gamze's weakness, there's little sense in her character as-is.

Of course, evocation is hardly the only option for her. I'm thinking a class about magic theory might suit her better.

There are always options. The game is full of checks and balances.

And that's just not true. Sometimes the game is just slanted. High levels change the style, and that's a fact.

Ah, but barring a power scouter, they'll only be able to tell if Gamze actually casts a spell. It won't be quite so easy, though I'm sure it will eventually come to light. ;D

Do what I do,

In my class all powers abilities and stuff are suppressed until you leave.

do I hear 50 thousand?, better yet, I'll see i vakkler would handle the punishment

O man you have lost it, harder Zit try's the deeper he digs

Yeah, Zix sure is losing. That's why he's dealing with a reputation for harshness and you're stuck cleaning slurk dens from 8:00-11:00pm each night.

Certainly, this is Students: 1, Zix: 0

;D

Again your missing the point, cracking the whip more to gain respect, just makes the teacher doing it even more of a uptight kill joy butt end bully,

Rule 1
kids will always win,

O cracking the whip will get them to look like they respect you, they will show what you want, see fear will do that but behind your backs they will Call him and other whip crackers names, far out of ear shot, you will become the butt of jokes, see that's what kids do, to overly uptight teachers, the kind of teachers gets upset and responds unreasonably to any sign of disrespect, the ones who, set punishment over the slightest transgression.

O they get feared, but the more they over react [in the kids view] the more kids will disrespect him, kids will snigger and point around him, and each of his over reactions and Heavy handedness [as seen from the kids point of view] whip cracks, the more kids will seek to make him the butt of jokes.

It will be WHY they take they take mick out of him, haha so keep it up, send any one who dos not kiss up to clean pens,

Point is, punishing some kids will never ever get you respected, it will on ever get you feared and then hated, like any bully. each time you come down on kids like that the more they will hate and hit back the only way they can in a powerless struggle, By disrespecting you more,

Some kids will NEVER EVER respect an authoritative bully so Poor old butt end Zit and any other teacher who thinks bullying kids gets them respected, it will only ever get them feared and then hated, but respected never.

Silly teacher you lost the moment he started punishing to force respect.

Hehe

Now I will take your back pedaling post stating you don't want respect you just want kids to follow the rules etc.. fear works fine etc...

Yadder... yadder...

But it's respect you really want, ant it Mr Chips, that what you crave hehe..

Kids always win.

KC: any reason why your hobgoblin couldn't have stumbled across a Wand of Mind Blank and uses it to shield herself. Really, it's how she came up with the idea to work for the Seer in the first place!

Plus: limited charges means she has to find another solution At the school.

And for those of you preparing your rules hats with glee: I don't care that Wands can only have 4th level spells traditionally. That's the Rules Light portion of the game. :)

How's that work for you KC?

Again your missing the point, cracking the whip more to gain respect, just makes the teacher doing it even more of a uptight kill joy butt end bully,

Rule 1
kids will always win,

O cracking the whip will get them to look like they respect you, they will show what you want, see fear will do that but behind your backs they will Call him and other whip crackers names, far out of ear shot, you will become the butt of jokes, see that's what kids do, to overly uptight teachers, the kind of teachers gets upset and responds unreasonably to any sign of disrespect, the ones who, set punishment over the slightest transgression.

O they get feared, but the more they over react [in the kids view] the more kids will disrespect him, kids will snigger and point around him, and each of his over reactions and Heavy handedness [as seen from the kids point of view] whip cracks, the more kids will seek to make him the butt of jokes.

It will be WHY they take they take mick out of him, haha so keep it up, send any one who dos not kiss up to clean pens,

Point is, punishing some kids will never ever get you respected, it will on ever get you feared and then hated, like any bully. each time you come down on kids like that the more they will hate and hit back the only way they can in a powerless struggle, By disrespecting you more,

Some kids will NEVER EVER respect an authoritative bully so Poor old butt end Zit and any other teacher who thinks bullying kids gets them respected, it will only ever get them feared and then hated, but respected never.

Silly teacher you lost the moment he started punishing to force respect.

Hehe

Now I will take your back pedaling post stating you don't want respect you just want kids to follow the rules etc.. fear works fine etc...

Yadder... yadder...

But it's respect you really want, ant it Mr Chips, that what you crave hehe..

Kids always win.

This post is the opposite of reality.

icehawk333 wrote:

Really? Warhammer seems odd to me.

It was a bit odd to me at first considering the first thing I knew about it was an image of a commandant yelling "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword!"

...in a tank...

...with SIX cannons on it

I love that poster!!

** spoiler omitted **

Just a note about divinations, teachers, etc:

Being all knowing is a lot different from being able to know all.

While Ryo would likely seek to vet a new teacher, he doesn't have to use his powers against t1hem right off the bat. After all, the school often brings a new teacher to fill a need and could know if a one would be a problem.

As far as Arcane Sight goes, I'm sure there's a spell to foil it, aside from something silly high level.

If not, make something up.

Kobold Cleaver wrote:

The availability of divination magic is one of my big pet peeves about high level play. As pointed out by others, it makes it very difficult to pull off certain secrets. It's why I think low-level play is much more fun--hence my playing characters like Vakkler. Sadly, that does mean my guys're even more vulnerable to divinations. Just something I have to accept, though it does bar certain character options.

There are always options. The game is full of checks and balances.

right, there is a 2 point racial ability on the race builder that gives constant nondetection

** spoiler omitted **

yes he has done reaching out, he's helping one student (who's name I cannot remember) understand her(originally his) powers

Capt, WTF? Look, I'm pretty sure we all had one of those teachers growing up. You know who I mean. Strict, unreasonable, on a power trip....and yet I notice a great lack of re-enactments of the french revolution (with real guillotine action!) in the public school system.

(On the bright side, we know that little Bobby has been paying attention to his lessons. Unfortunately he will now have to spend the rest of his life locked up like an animal as little Bobby is a psychopath who isn't safe to have around the rest of humanity.)

Okay, now that I've got that out of my system....while a teacher like that may eventually be fired (we keep Vakkler around though, so don't hold your breath :P) the idea that an uprising would happen and be considered justifiable is just absurd. Learning to deal with unreasonable people without resorting to violence is an important life skill. Society is after all full of unreasonable people. :)

Hi Lyn! :D

Hopefully you had a nice relaxing weekend!

I did send you a PM out of boredom, do with it what you will. :)

And if anybody has a character with arcane sight cast on themselves (most people just stick to true seeing and similar effects), Gamze will do her best to avoid them. Failing that, she will claim she's already cast most of her spells. Failing that, she will claim her dog ate her spellbook and she hasn't replaced it yet. Failing that, she will launch a campaign to utterly destroy that character's credibility. Failing that, she will probably be fired, so I don't need to think of any more contingencies. :)

Alright, so my thoughts on Ms Gamze....

We already have teachers for evocation, basic arcana, and magical theory at the high school level so this is kinda not really a legit need. She could however teach magic at the elementary level. However....there's low level and there's seven year olds are better at this than you. Is there really any legit reason she can't be a fifth level wizard? That's still not powerful, but good enough to at least be reasonably able to teach magical theory to little kids.

Hi Lyn! :D

Hopefully you had a nice relaxing weekend!

I did send you a PM out of boredom, do with it what you will. :)

I had a lovely time with the kidlet on Saturday. :)

Yesterday I was trying (and failing) to get caught up on the massive boatload of homework I've got...

Anyhow, I'll try and get caught up as quickly as I can, but it may take a while. On account of that boatload of homework. :)

Damiani wrote:

How many skill points are you folks clocking on your Gestalted chars, and Feats?

Kind of curious if I did my math wrong, looking to compare with others in play, or is that part of rules light as well?

Okay, so maybe 'clocking' was a bit abstract and unclear. Terribly sorry.

Can you fine folks give me totals, or there abouts for skills and feats?

My math coincides with the 'how' expressed, but I'm curious what some totals are in skills and feats.

Thanks!

Even after your clarification I'm not sure what your asking. Do you want total number of skill points or what the skill bonus is?

Also, skill points are only tangentially used. Unless I notice someone having max ranks in everything (which lets face it is boring...weaknesses make for more interesting characters) I'm not going to audit skills.

And what about feats? Again, don't understand. Folks get the normal amount of feats by Pathfinder rules unless someone has been granted a special exception.

Capt, WTF? Look, I'm pretty sure we all had one of those teachers growing up. You know who I mean. Strict, unreasonable, on a power trip....and yet I notice a great lack of re-enactments of the french revolution (with real guillotine action!) in the public school system.

(On the bright side, we know that little Bobby has been paying attention to his lessons. Unfortunately he will now have to spend the rest of his life locked up like an animal as little Bobby is a psychopath who isn't safe to have around the rest of humanity.)

Okay, now that I've got that out of my system....while a teacher like that may eventually be fired (we keep Vakkler around though, so don't hold your breath :P) the idea that an uprising would happen and be considered justifiable is just absurd. Learning to deal with unreasonable people without resorting to violence is an important life skill. Society is after all full of unreasonable people. :)

You think that's bizzare read the spoiler to me.

Damiani wrote:

Hey, Lyere.

While you're cranking out potential magical items at the rate of 1 per 10 minutes or so IC, you should consider opening up a shop, cause being a student in some long and far away school living in obscurity? Not your calling at all.

Consider the MOOLA (bling, baby! MAD CA$H!!!) you could be making at your crafting speedz coupled with the ease of finding these quasi-rare materials!

;) :D :P

ps: I love caffeine.

That'd be a good idea, but I'd have to train people how to not lop their own hands off

maybe include a manual called 'Chainswords for Dummies' >:D

So when I approved the chainsword I believe I also included that it "would take a while to make" on account of it being an exotic weapon and the pieces and parts not readily available and some have to be manufactured.

Somehow without even using magic you're forging a sword out of spare parts that weren't meant to be used that way in less time than it takes me to make a pair of earrings. Heck, you may actually be working faster than nanites here.

Yeah, this craft time needs to be measured in hours not minutes. That's just immersion breaking unrealistic. In your case I will allow a rare retcon because otherwise you're stuck doing nothing for hours in game. Realistically you haven't yet had time to do more than gather the materials you'll need.

Just to provide an example for Dami on the feats section:

Normal level 16 character: 8 feats

However, you get /all/ the bonus feats for /both/ sides of your gestalt.

So, for example, a human fighter/xxx would gain 16 + 1 feats for a total of 17.

A fighter/cavalier would gain 8 feats + 8 fighter feats + 2 cavalier feats + 2 cavalier teamwork feats for a total of 20.

Some folks add on more feats by taking 'flaws'.

Lyere wrote:

Damiani wrote:

Hey, Lyere.

While you're cranking out potential magical items at the rate of 1 per 10 minutes or so IC, you should consider opening up a shop, cause being a student in some long and far away school living in obscurity? Not your calling at all.

Consider the MOOLA (bling, baby! MAD CA$H!!!) you could be making at your crafting speedz coupled with the ease of finding these quasi-rare materials!

;) :D :P

ps: I love caffeine.

That'd be a good idea, but I'd have to train people how to not lop their own hands off

maybe include a manual called 'Chainswords for Dummies' >:D

So when I approved the chainsword I believe I also included that it "would take a while to make" on account of it being an exotic weapon and the pieces and parts not readily available and some have to be manufactured.

Somehow without even using magic you're forging a sword out of spare parts that weren't meant to be used that way in less time than it takes me to make a pair of earrings. Heck, you may actually be working faster than nanites here.

Yeah, this craft time needs to be measured in hours not minutes. That's just immersion breaking unrealistic. In your case I will allow a rare retcon because otherwise you're stuck doing nothing for hours in game. Realistically you haven't yet had time to do more than gather the materials you'll need.

If I have to edit, I will, though I'd be waiting for Carl, didn't really say how long it took to do each step so that's my bad

Last night my iPad stopped keeping me logged into sites. Like Paizo. If I close the tab, or in some cases I refresh it, I'm logged off.

It is extremely annoying. >_<

You may actually have worse luck with technology than I do...

Just to provide an example for Dami on the feats section:

Normal level 16 character: 8 feats

However, you get /all/ the bonus feats for /both/ sides of your gestalt.

So, for example, a human fighter/xxx would gain 16 + 1 feats for a total of 17.

A fighter/cavalier would gain 8 feats + 8 fighter feats + 2 cavalier feats + 2 cavalier teamwork feats for a total of 20.

Some folks add on more feats by taking 'flaws'.

O.o

Renkai is missing feats!

FireclawDrake wrote:

Death_Keeper wrote:

Well soon there's goin ta be a delivery of supplies, and plot hooks

You may want to co-ordinate with Dalesman... (Fei is the only PC who works with the Supplies folks) He may not be actively posting, but I've seen him favourite a few posts, so pretty sure he's still about.

About all I can do now is skim and fave. And that bit of free time is fading fast, as the universe wants me and mine to suffer a bit more this year...

** spoiler omitted **

So if it's something happening soon, I don't think I'll be able to be around for it.

Good luck to both you and your lady and I hope that things get better soon. You're due a run of good luck. In the meantime, we'll miss you in gameplay, but as always, real life first and you can take what time you need of course.

The Dalesman wrote:

FireclawDrake wrote:

Death_Keeper wrote:

Well soon there's goin ta be a delivery of supplies, and plot hooks

You may want to co-ordinate with Dalesman... (Fei is the only PC who works with the Supplies folks) He may not be actively posting, but I've seen him favourite a few posts, so pretty sure he's still about.

About all I can do now is skim and fave. And that bit of free time is fading fast, as the universe wants me and mine to suffer a bit more this year...

** spoiler omitted **

So if it's something happening soon, I don't think I'll be able to be around for it.

So many feels...

Someone else will need to run a storage personnel for me

You can run both sides of the convo if you want. But if that's too much, really anyone can run the materials and supplies worker. It's just a generic worker after all that only needs to be there to set up a plot hook.

Good luck to both you and your lady and I hope that things get better soon. You're due a run of good luck. In the meantime, we'll miss you in gameplay, but as always, real life first and you can take what time you need of course.

Hear hear.

And I hope you are doing well after your crash DK, glad you're around still. No whiplash or anythign I hope?

You think that's bizzare read the spoiler to me.
It's like Spugly has a sock puppet.

I noticed that a while ago.

Ms. Gamze wrote:

The logic is that a remedial magic teacher would largely only teach theory and minor spells. No need for a remedial magic teacher to throw fireballs, after all. But yeah, Gamze may have exaggerated her prowess a bit to get the job.

And wow, ninja'd by Death Keeper. They are un-fun, and we're happy to have you. You alright?

Yeah... airbags did their job.

:)

I had got out, shut the trunk, and got back in, two friends put seatbelts on, less than two minutes before we crashed... so happy the trunk was ajar

Wow. Close call. Very glad you're okay and that your friends had their seatbelts on.

Just watch out for injuries. Sometimes the adrenaline prevents you from noticing right after.

Death_Keeper wrote:

David.De'Foul wrote:

Death_Keeper wrote:

icehawk333 wrote:

Dragonborn3 wrote:

Dave is inflation until people start looking for diamond/gold that rots at the same rate as normal flesh...

It doesn't.

Normally, creatures with this template are from the elemental plane of earth.
So...

And he counts for material components.

Lynn nerfed that

wish she had told me that, all she told me in regards to that is to not use limbs to pay people as it made her squeamish

Its only a diamond like substance Edward, not true diamond is how she described it ( I think, and without the twilight reference )

like I said, wish I had been told *grumble grumble*

Messes with what I have been doing for a while

I did. Was a public discussion.

Okay, now that I've got that out of my system....while a teacher like that may eventually be fired (we keep Vakkler around though, so don't hold your breath :P) the idea that an uprising would happen and be considered justifiable is just absurd. Learning to deal with unreasonable people without resorting to violence is an important life skill. Society is after all full of unreasonable people. :)

I could not agree more, why I see it, the making jokes about such unreasonable people and NOT resorting to violence was the whole point of my posts I think. Disrespecting with humor is one of the key skills a civil society cultivates and tolerates,

From what I have seen Zix putting Adon In a hole, stunning a fellow teacher, messing with Amber and Opel heads, a teacher handing them detention before they had even started at the school,[ for by the way being messed up kids] did not bode well. Then the calls for even more handedness and more "meaningful" punishments for students demanded by some here, that's what I kind of riled against.

In my view we should except the reality, that not all Teachers are going to be loved by everyone, some will be made fun of, some will not always do the right thing and most not always have all the answers and not all will be respected by every student.

In my few if you demand all powerful all respected teachers your going to hit trouble with kids with authority figure problems like Amber and Opel, the head master knows what they are and their back ground, all part of their being here at the school and back story,

To then have players here say " your PC saying and acting like this is braking the game for me" just seems to me not linked to reality and demanding as hell. Kind of Peed me off a bit.

Now I'm chilled and like I said I agree with your points as you made.

I'll not raise this again, but like you I had to get this off my chest for sanity's sake.

@Zix if you did then I'm sorry, it was before I joined, I'm going on what I've seen in play from my time here etc., but even so, Adon stone pit etc. :)

As it is now a Amber and Opel are locked in their room and they are not coming out for anyone.

:)

Tybs is a high intelligence Rogue so he has lots of skill points.
9+8*16
272 total
I did the simple thing and put max in the important parts and left some things totally open.
Kitty has no ranks in any knowledge or proffesion skill, no handle handle animal or intimidate and most importantly character wise, no ranks in heal.
Disguise and Fly are the exception with 8 each because he would realistically use them much less often and to a much lesser extent.
He has nine feats
8 normal and one from a flaw.
I originally intended to take the flaw to complete the Dimension feat set, but when I didn't use it, it became the space for my Craft Wondrous.

FIRST PLACE IN OUR CLASS!!!!!!!♪♪♪♪♪♪♪

Congrats. :)

Thanks Lyn. :)
Glad to hear you hand a nice reason not to be here as opposed to the usual. :)

DK, is it OK if I ask what happened? My car got rear ended and my brother got whiplash and the insurance paid for a chiropractor. If anyone else was involved, its important that you have their info.
Hope you're actual all the way OK and glad there were no major injuries. :)

David.De'Foul wrote:

Death_Keeper wrote:

David.De'Foul wrote:

Death_Keeper wrote:

icehawk333 wrote:

Dragonborn3 wrote:

Dave is inflation until people start looking for diamond/gold that rots at the same rate as normal flesh...

It doesn't.

Normally, creatures with this template are from the elemental plane of earth.
So...

And he counts for material components.

Lynn nerfed that

wish she had told me that, all she told me in regards to that is to not use limbs to pay people as it made her squeamish

Its only a diamond like substance Edward, not true diamond is how she described it ( I think, and without the twilight reference )

like I said, wish I had been told *grumble grumble*

Messes with what I have been doing for a while

I did. Was a public discussion.

i must have either A. Misentriprited B. forgot C. Missed something, sorry will do better in the future

I'm gonna take a stab at editing the forging of the chainblade, should've taken about 5-6 hours total, with the guard, hilt, and blade taking 3-4 and the engine and re-making taking 2-3 hours.

p.s. should I wait until Carl is finished and just say my character is teaching him how to forge one of his weapons before starting on it himself, or edit now?

Capt, IC is IC. Zix doesn't get human standards. At some point someone will have to explain this stuff to him. If your rant is intended for humor, please please please label it or use lots of emoticons or something. Otherwise it just looks like you've gone round the bend. :P

lynora wrote:

Okay, now that I've got that out of my system....while a teacher like that may eventually be fired (we keep Vakkler around though, so don't hold your breath :P) the idea that an uprising would happen and be considered justifiable is just absurd. Learning to deal with unreasonable people without resorting to violence is an important life skill. Society is after all full of unreasonable people. :)

I could not agree more, and making jokes about such unreasonable people and NOT resorting to violence was the whole point of my posts I think.

disrespecting with humor is one of the key skills a civil cutler cultivates and tolerates,
With out it, one has rule with no tolerance for joke, ridicule or satire.
Po faced masters crush all descent, for the sake of control,

From what I have seen Zix putting Adon In a hole, stunning a fellow teacher, messing with Amber and Opel heads, a teacher handing them detention before they had even joins the school, for being messed up kids dos not bode well. Then the calls for even more handedness and more "meaningful" punishments for students demanded by some one here, is the thing I riled against.

In my view we should except reality, that's is Teachers are Not going to be all loved by every one, some will be made fun of, some will not always do the right thing and most not always have all the answers and not all will be respected by every student.

In my few if you demand all powerful all respected teachers your going to hit trouble with kids with authority figure problems like Amber and Opel, the head master knows what they are and it's all part of there being here and back story,

To have players here say " your PC saying and acting like this is braking the game for me" just seems to me not linked to reality and demanding as hell. Kind of Peed me off a bit.

Now I'm chilled and like I said I agree with your points as you made some, instead of firing of a disbelief line.

I'll not raise this again, but like you I had to get this...

it was the only thing I had that would work quickly against someone so magic resistant

Will do lynora :)

Edit back to pc with a screen I can see.

That last bit is what they picked up on Zix, Amber and Opel like I said just see Zix as one more A-hole :) [their words not mine, that sounds so odd yikes], they have to deal with, they really do not care what Zix thinks, its what he dos that counts, they can see his attitude in his actions, and if they read them wrong, then someone best explain it to them as well

Hehe, :) haha

Zix. Is in action way to close to someone they know, yes I take he's lacking interpersonal skills, but that's not Amber and Opel's problem, Remember Tthey did not hire him, the school did, it's not their responsible to changing to suit him but his to change to fit them, as any good teacher would.

:)

So I think a bit of introspection on Zixs part may start the ball rolling the right way.

:)

Yeah zix has three minds a fairly standard one, a "base needs" one and a hive mind, introspection is weird for him and is unlikely to happen in the way you referr to
He is going to assume the problem is on your end, as he sees it he has preformed exactly as he is supposed to, comendable even, with the noteable exception of forgetting about the student in his maze for a few hours after the crisis passed, he is very sorry for that.(in other news, capt, your players are waiting)

Thanks Lyn. :)

Glad to hear you hand a nice reason not to be here as opposed to the usual. :)

DK, is it OK if I ask what happened? My car got rear ended and my brother got whiplash and the insurance paid for a chiropractor. If anyone else was involved, its important that you have their info.
Hope you're actual all the way OK and glad there were no major injuries. :)

Wet road. Rediculously sharp curve.... its pretty far from where you live... so no worries...

PS nobody was hurt

Alright, folks, sadly I am out of time until this evening. Ran out of time before I could put up game thread updates. There was a lot of discussion thread to go through.

Damiani wrote:

Damiani wrote:

How many skill points are you folks clocking on your Gestalted chars, and Feats?

Kind of curious if I did my math wrong, looking to compare with others in play, or is that part of rules light as well?

Okay, so maybe 'clocking' was a bit abstract and unclear. Terribly sorry.

Can you fine folks give me totals, or there abouts for skills and feats?

My math coincides with the 'how' expressed, but I'm curious what some totals are in skills and feats.

Thanks!

Even after your clarification I'm not sure what your asking. Do you want total number of skill points or what the skill bonus is?

Also, skill points are only tangentially used. Unless I notice someone having max ranks in everything (which lets face it is boring...weaknesses make for more interesting characters) I'm not going to audit skills.

And what about feats? Again, don't understand. Folks get the normal amount of feats by Pathfinder rules unless someone has been granted a special exception.

Was just seeking ranges of values, really basic math, but that clearly got lost in the reading (or writing).

Seems some people got it though, on further reading of posts.

Their values helped sort me out.

Sorry about how harsh my post originally was, by the way. I was seeing you as a representation of divination's restrictions, but you were just trying to help.

Gamze is very much meant to be a two-bit teacher: One who only got hired due to a combination of luck and b&&@+&~#ting. In a setting where the Headmaster, about 10% of the student population, and the animated kitchen sink all can see clear as day Gamze's weakness, there's little sense in her character as-is.

Of course, evocation is hardly the only option for her. I'm thinking a class about magic theory might suit her better.

Damiani wrote:

There are always options. The game is full of checks and balances.

And that's just not true. Sometimes the game is just slanted. High levels change the style, and that's a fact.

Much like FCD's post above with a wand, about finding or having an item to help, there are always options, especially in a rules light game seeking story.

But, hey- if you seriously disagree, by all means, dismiss two independent people's possible ideas and effort to steer you else wise.

People have done far worse with what they feel is "right" in life.

Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Sorry about how harsh my post originally was, by the way. I was seeing you as a representation of divination's restrictions, but you were just trying to help.

Gamze is very much meant to be a two-bit teacher: One who only got hired due to a combination of luck and b&&@+&~#ting. In a setting where the Headmaster, about 10% of the student population, and the animated kitchen sink all can see clear as day Gamze's weakness, there's little sense in her character as-is.

Of course, evocation is hardly the only option for her. I'm thinking a class about magic theory might suit her better.

Damiani wrote:

There are always options. The game is full of checks and balances.

And that's just not true. Sometimes the game is just slanted. High levels change the style, and that's a fact.

Much like FCD's post above with a wand, about finding or having an item to help, there are always options, especially in a rules light game seeking story.

But, hey- if you seriously disagree, by all means, dismiss two independent people's possible ideas and effort to steer you else wise.

People have done far worse with what they feel is "right" in life.

3 independent people

My key ablity seems pritty useless. I exist only to force people to defend against my main school.
everyone defends against it.