Power. With Balance as a Patron, they'd soon lose their power.
It was worse than that. Several of them were in danger of losing their existence because of Balance continuing to gain power.
Oh, and you May have missed it, but adon did respond to Sadie.
You'd think that balance would be kinda stuck.
Everyone else is weaker than him so things are unbalanced and he gets weaker. Then it's back and he's strong so he kinda gets weaker and that goes back and forth.
While balance existed, the others would never gain power.
Half elves only get 1.5 centuries
Half elves only get 1.5 centuries
Sometimes exceptions must be made. Especially in an emergency. :)
At the most. Though, i think it would matter less with justice, because her champions aren't too likely to live long anyway.
The Champions of Slapstick Comedy never seem to last long either....
The Champions of Slapstick Comedy never seem to last long either....
Champions of banjo?
In unrelated news.
Just got done at Hobby Lobby and I found a roll of fleece camouflage fabric on sale for a dollar and change. I get it and roll it out and it turns out to be full scarf length and finished at both ends. I just got a new fleece scarf for cheap. ^_^
Hmm two champion/patron questions
1) would posessing an item, a rod for example, that, so long as you were in contact with it kept you from ageing, count as "immortality" for the whole patron/champion thing
1) No. Though it might depend on the Patron in question. That item is most likely (at some point in life) going to vanish. If this is not the case, then the answer turns to 'Yes'.
Keep in mind that ex-champions are /very/ rare. Only 2 are known to the story, and Keme is one.
Also... the longer said champion lives... the more the other patrons are going to be pissed of at that Champion and likely to send their own champions against them. Self-balancing system - you try to cheat, you get ganged up on.
Three. Keme is the third known to the story....though only two still live since the Corruptor ended up in Krays's staff....and don't bother asking for details on the other one.:)
Also, given that Patrons choose their Champions for their longevity, usually (read, almost always) measured in centuries, it's unlikely that any Champion would feel the need to lengthen their life in that fashion. And the other Patrons would be pissed and take measures if they did as stated above.
Now to try and catch up on the game thread....
I was just thinking of the champion item and I saw the mythic "legendary item" and that was one of those possible powers
At the most. Though, i think it would matter less with justice, because her champions aren't too likely to live long anyway.
.... laughter
The new rule about the alcholol being negated when it enters your mouth, does that apply to magical alcholols?
Who's trying?
No one yet, (WoM probably soon if he has a head for business) just curious
Yes. If you aren't of your Race's biological drinking age.
Yes. If you aren't of your Race's biological drinking age.
Technically - Tryko'Sam is extremely extremely old
(and probably cannot be affect by alchohol anyway) - still worked on him.Probably should just apply to all students.
Yes. If you aren't of your Race's biological drinking age.Technically - Tryko'Sam is extremely extremely old
(and probably cannot be affect by alchohol anyway) - still worked on him.Probably should just apply to all students.
:chuckles at the conditions imposed:
I /really/ need to make that lawyer character student at one point just for comic relief.
Soooo many violations going on, but, hey- it's a might makes right setting. ;)
No?
Technically, if we're just going by biology, most of the high school students are of reasonable drinking age. It's the cultural drinking age that's the problem. Unless we're talking about firebirds....in their case it is biological. Nobody wants to give a teenage firebird a tankard of what is to them the equivalent of red bull and espresso mixed together.:P
That said, the general regional cultural expectation is that you need to be over eighteen to be drinking. But with so many different folks descending on Kuros both from the school and the factories, with so many different cultural values about alcohol, that they're now pretty lax on the rules and will serve anyone who looks to be at least in their teens at most taverns in Kuros. The problem is of course that alcohol and poor decisions tend to go hand in hand.......and now that they can't just sneak the stuff back on campus, well.....
Of course the whole reason for that is a direct result of several examples of alcohol and poor decision making going together.....it's like a vicious circle. Truth be told, there is no good solution to this particular dilemma. No matter what rules are in place, someone is going to try to break them.
OK. Just forget I said the age part. The Beardsman is right. All students.
While I know Damiani is joking(or at least I hope he is), why is there this ongoing perception that "might makes right" at Avalon, both in and out of game?
Its a school, which means, like all schools everywhere, there's got to be some rules. Are those who scoff/whine about them so utterly chaotic that they care not what happens to ANYBODY?
Note, this isn't actually directed at Dami, though it appears that way. He is just one of the more recent to display this "attitude". Honestly, Johnny was the worst, and that view point from him is one of the main reasons I am glad he is gone from the game.
After a good hour of various responses (and edits/redos), I only have the following, Monkeygod:
It's not directed at Avalon, the school, specifically by me here, in Discussion. It's at the atypical 'setting' of a feudal setting, where either the higher caster level or skills /will/ dominate others, hence the might makes right statement. Could just be my fierce dislike of "the Man" or always wanting to question reality.
In Gameplay, it is a natural assumption the uninformed may make, but, therein is the issue, uninformed. Displaying the progression of becoming educated is fun. Being a know it all, is not (to me).
Hope that helps my part.
I'll pass on commenting on Spugly's "creative" choices. I barely knew what his motivations for playing here were- but my suspicions are/were many!
Well, we definitely have fostered an environment at Avalon that "if the wards don't stop it, it's ok".
I'd like to see the staff crack down a bit. Lots of students of late are disrespectful on an immersion breaking level. Students are supposed to be at Avalon because they need help or have been displaced. It makes no sense that they'd be so in staff's face, and frankly I think the problem is that people know the staff won't do anything to their characters other than a non impacting hand waved detention.
There are exceptions to this, but it seems like Avalon has become a place for powerful beings to gather but not necessarily with any expectation of anyone controlling or keeping those powerful people in check for their own good or for anyone else's good around Avalon.
No wonder the folks in Kuros are terrified of Avalon.
Honestly, I haven't experienced the disrespect you are speaking of on my teacher... But perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean. Could also be that Vare hangs around with some of the more respectful students.
If you mean general disrespect for the rules of the school.... Then I think that's to be expected to a degree, even from kids who would have no other home. They need an authority figure to rebel against.
If you talking specifics though, I don't have a comment really - IC is IC. Doesn't help that some of the teachers act like children. ;P
We're lucky they don't torch the place
There has actualyl been several times in the past where the villagers came with pitchforks and such. This has mostly calmed down since one of the graduates employs a good percentage of the town.
Roel doesn't understand punishment, because-
He doesn't feel pain execpt under one cercumstance, witch is best left untold
He doesn't really get bored
"Lonely" is virtually a non-issue for him.
Seriously,
Punishing roel is nigh-impossible.
No, but he is a sentient being, and sentient beings can be held accountable for their actions.
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Honestly, I haven't experienced the disrespect you are speaking of on my teacher... But perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean. Could also be that Vare hangs around with some of the more respectful students.
If you mean general disrespect for the rules of the school.... Then I think that's to be expected to a degree, even from kids who would have no other home. They need an authority figure to rebel against.
If you talking specifics though, I don't have a comment really - IC is IC. Doesn't help that some of the teachers act like children. ;P
I've seen more than I'd like.
IC is IC only seems to work one way. When the students act like brats, then it's in character. When a teacher seeks to real them in, it's "ZOMG you're just using your super powerful character to hold me down, man! No fair!" No, indeed I am a Staff member, and will be treated with respect. If you do not, you should face the consequences.If IC is truly IC, then people should be willing to face IC consequences for their actions without b@+~!ing OOC.
We are supposed to mentor and protect these children, even from themselves if necessary.
We aren't running a serial killer prep school.
No, but he is a sentient being, and sentient beings can be held accountable for their actions.
Yes, that's true. But how do you punish him for doing wrong?
I've seen more than I'd like.
IC is IC only seems to work one way. When the students act like brats, then it's in character. When a teacher seeks to real them in, it's "ZOMG you're just using your super powerful character to hold me down, man! No fair!" No, indeed I am a Staff member, and will be treated with respect. If you do not, you should face the consequences.
If IC is truly IC, then people should be willing to face IC consequences for their actions without b&~#@ing OOC.We are supposed to mentor and protect these children, even from themselves if necessary.
We aren't running a serial killer prep school.
I agree with this- punishment is a nececery aspect. Sould a teacher punish a student, it's perfectly reasonable...
Unless you're vakkler, but he doesn't need to be fair.
No, but he is a sentient being, and sentient beings can be held accountable for their actions.Yes, that's true. But how do you punish him for doing wrong?
Bottom line, if a student is unwilling or willfully unable to comply with the rules, they should be asked to leave.
Bottom line, if a student is unwilling or willfully unable to comply with the rules, they should be asked to leave.
He complies to a lot of the rules. He's passive, and really doesn't do much of anything.
He just doesn't show traditional respect either- due to his lack of perception of pain, he sees almost everyone, to include teachers, as equal to or below him. (Execpion- ryo, who on day one, proved himself superior by making his entire room immune to acid through prediction of roel's arrival.) (Usually equal to) as such, he is not respectful of formalities, or other such things.
He abides by the rules of the school, but not the rules of individual teachers.
Not trying to be a nagative Nancy here, but I thought the idea of Avalon was to teach these kids to be responsible with their powers, not only learning to control them, but learning when or when not to use them, and to be (as much as some are capable) compassionate to those weaker than they are.
The average PC here with the kind of power they wield, it should be a giant red flag that they seem unwilling or incapable of respecting legitimate authority. What's going to happen when they get out in the world? Tom Riddle, that's what.
I don't think anyone here wants that. It's one thing to not take any crap from fellow students, but there should be respect, even if it's grudging, for the staff at all times. Even Vakkler.
Bottom line, if a student is unwilling or willfully unable to comply with the rules, they should be asked to leave.He complies to a lot of the rules. He's passive, and really doesn't do much of anything.
He just doesn't show traditional respect either- due to his lack of perception of pain, he sees almost everyone, to include teachers, as equal to or below him. (Execpion- ryo, who on day one, proved himself superior by making his entire room immune to acid through prediction of roel's arrival.) (Usually equal to) as such, he is not respectful of formalities, or other such things.
He abides by the rules of the school, but not the rules of individual teachers.
The rules of the school are or should be that you respect it's teachers. You should obey them, and if you think they are being unfair, talk to Ryo about it after the fact. Open disrepect should not be the first go-to option.
Yes, that's tue, but it's still what he'd do IC. However, Im also fully willing to face whatever consequence occurs IC.
I almost killed adon over a punishment from zix, and not once did i whine at zix for doing anything wrong- he's a teacher, and i needed restraining.
Not trying to be a nagative Nancy here, but I thought the idea of Avalon was to teach these kids to be responsible with their powers, not only learning to control them, but learning when or when not to use them, and to be (as much as some are capable) compassionate to those weaker than they are.
The average PC here with the kind of power they wield, it should be a giant red flag that they seem unwilling or incapable of respecting legitimate authority. What's going to happen when they get out in the world? Tom Riddle, that's what.
I don't think anyone here wants that. It's one thing to not take any crap from fellow students, but there should be respect, even if it's grudging, for the staff at all times. Even Vakkler.
Most students do.
The one's that don't are the ones that stand out to you.If something happens to one person out of a million, who's going to have thier story noticed, those who had something happen normally, or those who had the odd things happen to them?
All of my students respect the staff save roel, adon, and tarka.
Tarka is three. Disrespect is to be expected from a toddler. (Even with a 18 int.)
Well, I've said my peace. I feel better.
Carry on.
Bottom line, if a student is unwilling or willfully unable to comply with the rules, they should be asked to leave.
This should also depend on the severity of the infractions: a good-natured prankster might get alot of detention, but I seriously doubt Ryo (who has something of a prankster streak himself) would ask that person to leave.
Look at Kaze for example - even though he attempted to murder three students (one a little kid), Ryo didn't expel him... of course, he would have, but then Kaze became a baby. A baby which Dara still doesn't trust.
But yes, this is why I said IC is IC. If Vare ever punishes someone (he's only done it once), then that's what he's doing. Maybe this is the source of my confusion - I don't see where this is coming from. Even Amber and Opel didn't complain OOC about being Held...
Anyway, your points are understood Kryz, even if I cannot think of a specific example which might have prompted this.
Roel doesn't understand punishment, because-
He doesn't feel pain execpt under one cercumstance, witch is best left untold
He doesn't really get bored
"Lonely" is virtually a non-issue for him.
Seriously,
Punishing roel is nigh-impossible.
I know how!!!!
We aren't running a serial killer prep school.
Really pray tell, in the mist of the Galactic war, what kind of school wold that be if done as you say, humm. Taking say the Xmen like school as an example with Mega powered kids some of which have deep physiological problems, burn from the very powers that gain them entry to the school, may find dealing with authority figures hard. You demanding a enforced disciplinarian approach to such students and their problems in a near military school style may in fact get the complete opposite resoles your after?
the "Respect my 'Athoriter' or ales" approach, of classic education system of teach them "What to think" over "How to think" may not work as well a you thick.
A school with only sticks, never dos well.
I don't think that's really what Kryz is saying. I think he's saying there's a fine line between too much and too little discipline.
Also, if I understood correct, from what he said it is more of a metagame OOC issue than anything else. Teachers are given pretty free reign to enforce the rules as they see fit, though of course there are limitations. (For example, one that's come up in game - you cannot polymorph students as a punishment. Filne (one of Omnichaos's characters) did this to Bradley at one point, and Miss Jones had some harsh words for him)
but i think my points still stand, i was just addressing Kryz points FD
Right: I get what you are saying. Too much discipline and military style schooling is bad.
But so is teaching kids that there are no consequences for their actions.
Avalon's pretty liberal after all - school provides free birth control, and doesn't seem to mind if students spend the night in each other's rooms (this is probably 'against the rules', but is rarely enforced, because having companionship is excellent way to make people more compassionate).
What I am saying is - I disagree that Kryz wants to make it military style school. He just wants there to be realistic consequences given the school's setting - that doesn't mean strict discipline.
Capt. Lyere is going to see Carl about the poker game, is he doing anything at the moment?
O Dom, do you remember the punishment for smart aleking in my class?
Ice, we were in the library.