Rannik's Carrion Crown

Game Master Patrick Levasseur

Very sorry to hear that. No rush.

Sorry to hear that.

Pharasma's blessing to your family

New map?

Any higher ground +1 advantage?

As things are at your turn, yes you have the high ground

Nice... This blows.

For those in melee range, I'd recommend rolling an AoO... just in case.

I understand that characters are curious and each wants to figure out what Andjela's deal is. But, as a player I feel it's my deal to reveal.

Granted, you've caught tiny glimpses of something. But the overwhelming evidence is that she is a good aligned female human Paladin of Iomedae and demonstrated "good" divine ability. Even any preternatural grace is hardly better than Anna's. She's likeable and attractive. She's been loyal to the group and taken the front line.

Aside from that, there is A LOT of other stuff to occupy the mind, real palpable evil danger replete with a town to save and treasure to be had.

So, I'm asking to please stop the scrutiny.

It really does feel like PvP, as rolls are being used against another character. And RAW, she's not undead type or subtype, so Kn Religion should not apply.

You chose to play a distinct race. I believe it should be recognizable. From your race description: "Those who survive their early years face a life of fear and mistrust, their unnatural beauty and incredible refelxes marking them as scions of the night just as surely as their sensitivity to light."

Tolvan will not react any differently to you if he knows exactly what you are, but I have not said he does know. One thing that confuses this to me is that I am not sure how rare your race is in Mug's world. Are you almost unique? Or are there cities of Dhampir somewhere? Has Tolvan ever heard of the race, or is it as common as Aasimar and tiefling races?

All that said, I have a hard time understanding your problem with my role playing. I know you are not undead but Tolvan might not. I believe he does know that positive energy harms you. That narrows the field considerably. he is a smart guy. You tell me what should he think?

Edit - I was ninjaed here - I am fine not defining what Andjela is, and personally think am role playing it great. Tolvan knows something is up. Cool that he does not know what. But if Andjela's player wants to limit my role playing, that is not cool.

Just to clarify, never said it was unknowable.

Its all good for me. Again, I think my post about a quick glance at Andjela was clever and in character. And I think it represents exactly what Andjela is asking for. That is why I don't get the protest.

In the middle of a battle with palpable evil in the form of undead. Pillars, distractions, the din of battle, fear for our lives... Kimberly channels, which probably draws attention to her... And what's noted is "hey, look at Andjela over there... Yep, think that positive energy affected her. Looks like 4hp sounds right. Damn, wonder what she really is, huh"

She could have not reacted, fort save to not wince, could have been hit by one of the enemy... It's a battle, right? People get hurt.

Come on.

Maybe it's DMvP, dunno.

RP whatever you like.

Just asking for a little give and take here. You were affected by it, people noticed. I'm sorry you're feeling there's a 'vs' of any sort going on. To this point no one has said anything IC about what Andjela is or isn't. Just glances and thoughts, right?

EDIT: I'd genuinely like to know what you're expectations are as far as keeping Andjela's race a secret. I feel I've gotten some information, largely reactionary from you when someone discovers too much. It'd be easier for me to control the flow of information if I had a better idea of you're thoughts on this, if you don't mind.

Will post tonight, sound good?

I will happily rp whatever Mug tells us we know. I trust him to continue to apply logic and fairness to his decisions. I am done posting on this topic.

@Andjela, sounds good!

So that we are on the same page, what is the inventory of our discovers in the lower level.

I know Tolvan has the +1 long sword.
Danica has the +1 mace and the hammer (hammer has any properties?)
Who has the other stuff.

Just trying to get a clear image of current inventory status and to update character sheet.

The Mosswater Hammer is the equivalent of a masterwork light hammer. There are bonuses which occur when fighting the Marauder, which affected him behind the scenes and won't manifest again until/if you face him again. It also gives +2 bonuses to crafting, but none of your characters know that yet.

Anna has the +1 Heavy Crossbow I believe and the +1 knife.

Andjela has the Loppers Axe, and hasn't relinquished it in a while, hmmm... I don't recall her having anything else off the top of my head, although I'd be surprised if she doesn't take the shield you just found.

Kimberly has the holy symbols - probably belonging to Father Charlatan - and that's all I know of.

Tolvan also has the Moldy Spellbook, most likely property of the Splatter Man.

I forget for sure who has the flute... Anna I think.

Anna's got the +1 dagger, and she's using the +1 crossbow, though she's not really interested in keeping it. It's just being used as opening salvo heavy artillery right now.

Edit: Yes, she's carrying the flute.

will be out for a bit will try to post late tonight

Even though it looks like rain, I'll be camping with boy scouts this weekend and will be of line from mid day tomorrow through mid day Sunday.

@GM Mug - As a table of Players & a DM. I'd expect we'd resect eachother's wishes. This is part of the story I'm bringing to the table as a Player. It's a very special part of her background and she'll reveal what she wants as the game goes on.

Again IHMO, anything does to short cut, end run, "read the last page"... especially where it involves rolling dice is essentially Player vs. Player. Someone is forcing the reveal. Basically, what you're saying is there could be a Perception roll thrown "vs/against/opposed to" a Disguise roll. If that isn't (social) PvP, not sure what it. Should Andjela be rolling Intimidate to shut characters up? Diplomacy to change their attitudes? Just because it's not combat... doesn't mean it's not PvP. And, I'm OK with a PvP game, just didn't realize this was one.

I had hoped the Dm wouldn't be the individual forcing this, putting it out there, calling for perception rolls. Anna is basically an admitted reformed "bad girl" should we be throwing perception dice to see if she's pick pocking us, stealing treasure, has new jewelry, is selling us out for money?

As a player why would I want the dhampir reveal to happen now, as long as the healing situation isn't deadly? Wouldn't' i want to wait until maybe the segment that mentions maybe Vampires? Maybe story-wise, that's the best place to bring it out (from my perspective).

It's no one's business. In that situation, I'd think you'd be happy to have the assist. A past friend of Lorrimor's,,, instant trust, not distrust.

If we want it to come out, let's RP it... slowly, over many character levels. Not rolling dice. I NEVER expected another player to be asked to roll dice to uncover her race. Never fathomed. It felt so invasive, intrusive and like such a betrayal... it's still bothering me. And, every dig, glance, RP opportunity just twists the knife.

She's a female, a paladin, servant of Iomedae, friend of Lorrimor, attractive, likeable (high charisma), she carries an Elven curved-blade (point of interest to an Elf?), she's strong/hard, a warrior, a crossbowman... with all those other opportunities for RP, why pick at the scab?

From Andjela's perspective, she's spent decades hiding it... she does it all the time, is there a game mechanic... maybe not. Maybe she wants to prove herself first, so when the truth comes out she isn't shunned. Maybe she'll tell whomever confronts her to shut their mouth before she rips their head off, etc... Wouldn't want the RP censored.

People asked that I level in Paladin, I obliged. I'm asking people leave her race alone... what do I get? Sitting around the table with friends... what would happen?

I'm guessing your last questions are rhetorical. But thank you for letting me know how you felt about how things have been going. I've never played a pvp and didn't realize how similarly my GMing style was to that. For myself, I'll cease with my own created opportunities which allow others to notice anything Dhampir related as best I'm able. I think the rest of the group has just been reacting to the rolls I've been creating for them and I take full responsibility for making those scenarios available. If there's something that comes up about my style which is bothering you to a worrisome degree, I hope you'll approach me before it starts to fester.

That same thing goes for everyone, and thanks Adjela for explaining your feelings. I seriously had next to no idea how you felt, other than a general idea. So I apologize for that.

So if everyone doesn't mind conveniently forgetting the hints I've made available to them, about Andjela's race, going forward I'd appreciate it. So noticing the energy hurting Andjela... and I can't remember what else there was. Sound alright?

Thank you for being understanding.

I think having taken 4hp damage, Andjela would have (on her own probably) spoken to Kimberly and everyone would have heard. As I said, little by little she would reveal... But, it's personal.

Being lawful good, should would not have wanted her status to threaten the survival of the others. She would have taken that risk.

I'm just asking for no "inquisition".

Thanks again, Sir.

Sure thing, we'll leave the inquisitioning up to Danica from now on. ;-)

I hope Kimberly did nothing wrong. I did metagame a bit at first but now that is straightened out as she has spoken to Kimberly about it.

as a point of interest Kimberly actually believes she can cure her through Pharasma. Which means Andjela may take the feat Life Dominant Soul

I'd like to throw this out there, not really to start/continue the argument (if that's what we're having), but to put out what was going on in my mind as the subtle hints and clues about Andjela's nature were being dropped.

Let me start off by saying: This is collaborative storytelling.

We all contribute to this tale. It's a form of improv -- we react to what each other brings to the virtual table, add our own responses to which others in turn react. That's the nature of good rp. Of course, each of us has certain expectations about how we'd like to see the story go, but at the same time, we have to make allowances for the other players.

If I'm understanding this right, Andjela (or more specifically, her player) would like to make the big reveal of her nature at her own discretion. And the storyteller in her would like to choose a dramatically appropriate time to do so. That's exceptionally cool, and I completely respect that.

Allow me to humbly suggest, that as fellow good roleplayers and collaborative storytellers, the rest of the players in this group are looking forward to the big reveal, and the rp that will come out of it. Perhaps we're eager for enough clues so we can piece together the story and have that moment happen. We're not trying to steal Andjela's thunder, we want to be part of it.

So please understand, Andjela, but I disagree. That's not PVP. That's roleplaying at its best.

PVP is all about "look at me! I'm the best"; whereas in this case we're looking at Andjela. You've created a character that we're interested in.

So yes, we may have pushed the issue a bit regarding Andjela's heritage, though I submit it's only with the best intentions: that of making an awesome story even better. I've no doubt it's going to be great, when it happens. I respect your wishes to let it unfold later -- and I agree some time when we're facing vampires sounds like a great moment.

But please also respect our curiosity. It's only natural when you've created as interesting a character as her.

oh yeah babe! Atomic Wedgie for Andjela. That is your judgement

Damage from the Atomic Wedge: 4d100 ⇒ (5, 94, 86, 36) = 221

The atomic wedgie was so powerful that only your head and feet remain.

hehehehe

Stop your whining and get back to work. :-P

I know Andjela (Hassan) personally and consider him as my "brother from another mother" so probably make me the best person to poke at him. In RL I don't take anything seriously, just want to enjoy life and a little D&D.

Now let's get back to stopping the bad guys.

Well said Anna.

Dm has spoken and I am good that. It requires some retcon but that is fine too. To be clear, no one noticed that positive energy channeled earlier harmed the paladin, correct? But the Paladin also spoke to Kimberly where we all would have heard that she should not be included in future positive energy, correct? I am unsure if she provided a reason for this.

I respect all that everyone's saying.

But, by turning it into an exercise of "well he/she could have figured it..." it becomes exactly what I was asking us to not do.

Would you prefer a few good rolls/bonuses, or decent extended RP? I know you'd prefer RP, because you put a lot of good RP into your posts. I'd love to, but usually posting from my phone and it's hell just to get the damn spoiler tags and dice rolls.

Should we just send tactical moves and dice rolls? Fun? So, hundred of potentially good RP posts lost? Andjela trusted Anna and took her with on her errand. Clue, endless opportunity for RP, flex or otherwise. A risk was taken, in the hope of trust. Anna can keep the trust or betray it.

If Anna comes back later (much later) and says (after several clues), "hey, I remember speaking with the professor once and he mentioned this story about a special girl... half/half, but her soul was good... was that girl... you?" That's fine. Or something like that, not dictating.

Andjela was hurt by Kimberly's (Mug's) channeling. It brought to light that her secret, could end up costing lives if she didn't do "something", so she talked to Kimberly sincerely and openly. Endless opportunity for RP. Kimberly (and everyone who heard) can keep the trust or betray it.

I'm doing exactly what you say you want, I'm offering clues, letting little things out. Trusting these strangers at face value, if for nothing else... Lorrimor trusted you, called you friends. That's all RP.

We're 3rd level... if 20 is the potential, we're @ 15% or our careers. What the hells do we know about what's out there? yes, if we were 10th level... a lot under our belts and better chance of jumping to a conclusion. We're 3rd level. If you put the dice away and don't use them against a fellow player/character. We're wide eyed novices. We're nothings, all of us.

Dhampir! Why? Could be a curse for something her father did, her ancestors, something she did in her training. So somehow she got through religious paladin training... unbeknownst and "you" have to worry about what she is? An item she carries, a quest she must complete... We don't know what we don't know.

And I'm flattered (lil sarcasm) that Andjela is so interesting, but she cannot be more interesting than all the other crap going down. She's a footnote if she's lucky. And, if/when she's interesting... do we want to beat it to death (or undeath) until we fix it, solve for X, hammer it home... Let's take it easy and enjoy 17 more levels together, gradually.

Just looking to pace it out and give the character and her cache, legs.

I am not meaning to say "this is MY story, you can't step into it!" But, more like... "I took a lot of time to think this through, create the character and decide 'how' to play her and have her develop, so this is my story that I'd like to share... please don't step all over it."

And, no one did anything wrong... not about fault, just needed to express myself. Hope I haven't offended anyone.

EDIT: Yes, Tolvan. Andjela spoke to Kimberly openly (as in not secretively) and mentioned something about not being favored by Pharasma right now and she alluded to the sins if the father.

What Andjela said - Something happened a very long time ago, and as a result generations later, I do not stand in Pharasma's favor. Your... divine gifts will seldom heal me, and your divine wrath could harm me. If it is within your power, please exclude me from your channeling. Perhaps one day, I shall atone for the "sins of the father".

I'm glad everyone's chipped in with their input and as I said, I don't think anyone's done anything wrong, definitely not intentionally. If we can all agree (as I think we have) to move forward with the ruling I made that'd be sweet.

While its understandable differences of opinion and different viewpoints will emerge in a group, I consider this particular matter closed and hope everyone else is able to do the same. Let's not beat the dead horse any longer if we don't have to.

If you feel strongly enough about it then by all means bring it up and we'll go from there. But if we can press ahead as planned, that'd be best.

I still say Pharasma can cure her

Hey folks, quick update. I'm in CA after driving 12 hours today. I tried to post this info earlier but my 3G wasn't cooperating. Ill be in a funeral tomorrow and will possibly get to hop online tomorrow night. Its possible ill be too busy until Monday, but ill see what I can do. Feel free to RP or whatever till I can move things along. Thanks for your understanding!

Tolvan is camping and offline, too. No worries.

actually that is ok with me as i have some serious family issues that i need to be involved with this weekend. so I will only occasionally post if at all until late Sunday night or Monday.

@Mug - I have some PM training that I have to perform and I won't be in the office for the next two days so posting may be difficult during the day. I'll try to find a network connection. Posting from a phone really sucks. Please bot my actions to keep up with the rest of the group. I will post when I get back home.

Alright, thanks for the update.

To avoid any confusion - Incorporeal in Pathfinder no longer provides a miss chance. Instead, magic weapons only do 50% of the rolled damage. Ghost Touch, Positive Energy, and Force Effects should do full damage. Area effects would do half damage at best. And non-magic weapons do no damage.

Aha, thanks for clarifying that. Basically he's a DM created monster with many hybrid traits. Incorporeal is one trait and his 'shadowy image' is what gives the 50% miss chance, not the incorporeal. Sorry for the confusion, but the 50% miss chance does apply.

His shadow condition is like the blur spell on steroids.

Displacement?

Displacement?

Well, yeah, if you're into the whole brevity thing.

Shadowy effect is definitely cooler. If Tolvan understands that, and he thinks this will work, he might choose to hit the thing with Glitterdust to end that effect for a few rounds.

knowledge Arcana: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (7) + 12 = 19

I just meant mechanically. Shadowy is ALWAYS cooler.

Shadowy, I'm going to submit it for the big contest next year for a new trait. I'm thinking it'll go far. :)

Tolvan does think that would work to temporarily end the effect, that or a strong wind spell.

Warning, DMs may sometimes use red herrings to get players to expend their spells. So when the real threat arises.... Click, click..

I'm am shocked and appalled and shocked and surprised... and frankly shocked --that'd you suggest such a thing!

Bwahahahahaa. *ahem* Excuse me.

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